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Missing playlist data
I know this is already being looked into, but I just wanted to add my +1 for figuring out a way of adding the music that's not played out through VCS Dira!
These are often the more niche tracks (and unique BBC-recorded sessions tracks in the case of 6Music) which are the most interesting (for me). Far more so than Coldplay! :)
So here's hoping you can fix this soon.
These are often the more niche tracks (and unique BBC-recorded sessions tracks in the case of 6Music) which are the most interesting (for me). Far more so than Coldplay! :)
So here's hoping you can fix this soon.
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Inappropriate?Don't all the radio shows have a list of the music they have played, on their websites?
What's VCS Dira?1 Comment
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Hi Will. VCS Dira is the playout system the presenters use in the studio to actually play the music. 98% of anything played on VCS is automatically matched to MusicBranz and logged in the /music database. Issue comes when shows, mainly specialist ones, play their music off CDs, vinyl or minidisc - or when they play a bespoke non-matchable track off VCS, like a 30 min pre-rec mix. At the moment, there's a manual process whereby the broadcast assistant makes a paper note of every song played, and then types this into a textbox in the website production tool. They're not structured storage, and not linked - in effect, the data is wasted. Its not added to the MusicBrainz/VCS pot. -
Inappropriate?Hi Frankie. The guys in Audio and Music are building a tool to let production teams manage their tracklistings post-broadcast, and insert and correct music segments that the VCS Matching has missed or got wrong.
That'll fix the problem of incomplete tracklistings - however, I think at this stage things that are manually entered won't be matched to MusicBrainz - which is obviously not ideal, but I'm sure they're working on it.
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Sounds good. I guess the problem with matching the manually entered data to MusicBrainz is that there are sometimes numerous variations on a particular track (different lengths, edits and mixes from the single, albums, compilations, etc) and asking a BA to match these up would be a nightmare? Though just matching up the artist might be easier, for starters?
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Inappropriate?Yeah, it might be hard, but I think they have fields for artist and title, so you might be able to match the artist and leave the title as a string. Not sure.
I do know that their VCS log to MusicBrainz matching is just done on artist and title strings - but that Patrick and Nick's algorithm is very clever.
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Interesting! Hope Patrick/Nick blogs about that at some point.
I'll be interested to see how the system copes with the BBC archive session tracks that 6music often plays (eg from the John Peel sessions). It'd be great if they all had MusicBrainz identifiers too, as some of them are pretty culturally significant, so the data should be released out there! -
we have half a plan to get session data into musicbrainz and back into bbc.co.uk. relies on musicbrainz modelling 'performance' and performance groups tho - work that's planned
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Inappropriate?The 'Tracklist Tool' - the thing to let folk add tracks manually will match to artists in MusicBrainz (so those programmes will appear on the artist pages and in due course we will link between the two). So that's good.
But these matches will be at an artist level - not the music. This is because MusicBrainz doesn't currently model 'Cultural Works' instead it models releases. This means that we don't have a way to point to e.g. Help! only the individual releases (http://musicbrainz.org/release/2c0539... and http://musicbrainz.org/release/fb3bf1...) This is also why there aren't album or track pages on the new beta site.1 Comment Add a comment
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Ah, I did wonder how you were dealing with the many releases problem.
Last.fm seem to deal with it purely by string uniqueness (eg http://www.last.fm/music/The+Beatles/... is listed as appearing on many albums). However I think they are working on something cunning to weed out spelling mistakes and find similar tracks...
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