Attach Privacy Level to Location
Browsing through some of the privacy ideas here, it seems like a great number of them could be solved simply by attaching a privacy level to individual locations. For instance, when signaling BrightKite that I'm at home, I would have Private mode attached to Home, so before it would notify anything at all to anyone it would set me to private than send the check it that I'm at home (but private). Likewise I could attach public to the Cafe, so when I get to the Cafe from home and checkin at the Cafe it would set everything to public and announce that I'm at the cafe.
This would even solve some of the issues with SMS checkins. I would no longer have to set Public or Private before checking in at a location, I would simply /know/ that as soon as I checked in where I was the appropriate level of privacy would be applied.
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This would even solve some of the issues with SMS checkins. I would no longer have to set Public or Private before checking in at a location, I would simply /know/ that as soon as I checked in where I was the appropriate level of privacy would be applied.
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We are considering the idea of adding a "always private" flag that you can add to placemarks...if you're at the location the placemark points to, everything you do there will be done in private mode, without having to excplicitly enter that mode.
How does that sound?
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This feature is now available. For potentially sensitive locations such as exact addresses and intersections you will see a link under the "Check In Here" and "Add to Placemarks" buttons that says "Privacy at this place". For broader searches such as street, city, or state level this link is not present.
http://brightkite.com/objects/9540dae...
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This always on/sometimes off privacy level sounds complicated. Can't we just add a "fuzz" factor? Or a
For example, lets say I want to check in at 1585 Broadway, New York, NY. I have already set this up as a placemark called HOME. So my SMS could be:
@ HOME fuzz
So then my check in could be fuzzy broadcast... as in "Rick Tait checked in at HOME" instead of "Rick Tait checked in at 1585 Broadway, New York, NY". Whereas if I checked in with
@ HOME
then the full address would be broadcast.
At least then there is SOME level of accuracy reduction.
Also I am still utterly unclear as to why some placemarks show up with FULL accuracy, and others show up with an alias/placemark.
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Inappropriate?We are considering the idea of adding a "always private" flag that you can add to placemarks...if you're at the location the placemark points to, everything you do there will be done in private mode, without having to excplicitly enter that mode.
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Inappropriate?I'd like this, I pretty much never would want my home location to ever show up on public britekite
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Inappropriate?Martin - I suppose that would do, as long as it automates the process of going private before any notifications are sent out. I still like the idea of having both, to save the trouble of having to switch to private/public with each checkin.
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Inappropriate?We need a little more time :)
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Inappropriate?I dont like the idea of separate privacy level settings. I think Martins idea is the best in terms of adding an "always private flag"
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Inappropriate?Well the problem with having an always private flag is when you're on the go. I think it'd be preferable to let the user choose what the default setting is.
For example, I don't mind letting locations be public when I'm anywhere but home, but if the default is set to private then I need to change that per each check-in. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding it here.
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Inappropriate?Agree with the original poster and John. Today I've really only been to three locations, and one of them was home, and I feel like when I'm "checking in" to my home location, I don't want the address blasted to everyone... unless I'm having a party or something.
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Inappropriate?I really like the "always private" flag idea; this seems like the ideal solution to me.
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Inappropriate?In addition to "always private", an "always public" flag might be useful. Tagging things like conference centers or coffee shops to be public where otherwise operating in a default-private mode.
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Inappropriate?This always on/sometimes off privacy level sounds complicated. Can't we just add a "fuzz" factor? Or a
For example, lets say I want to check in at 1585 Broadway, New York, NY. I have already set this up as a placemark called HOME. So my SMS could be:
@ HOME fuzz
So then my check in could be fuzzy broadcast... as in "Rick Tait checked in at HOME" instead of "Rick Tait checked in at 1585 Broadway, New York, NY". Whereas if I checked in with
@ HOME
then the full address would be broadcast.
At least then there is SOME level of accuracy reduction.
Also I am still utterly unclear as to why some placemarks show up with FULL accuracy, and others show up with an alias/placemark.
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Nice idea. I really like this and would love to see it implemented. I think it makes much more sense to say that you are at home than to say that you are somewhere in your home town. -
Inappropriate?Something else I've thought of.. everyone has a home (or so I hope they do) and most people don't want to release the exact location of their home, but don't mind letting people know if they're at the local starbucks or hanging out a local pub.
Why not have the ability to set your "Home Location" and have a public/private setting for it. Then your global public/private setting will be applied to everything else. -
Inappropriate?We're still thinking the "always private", and possibly "always public" (good idea, Jeremy) solutions works best.
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Inappropriate?Er... I'm confused how this is different from my original post... (is it?)
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Inappropriate?I think it's the same, I just brought up the public flag side of it again/expressed a second vote since Martin's initial post only mentioned the private side.
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Inappropriate?Ah ok. Yeah, I'd really like to have both. Being able to change your privacy level just by checking in would be a boon.
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Inappropriate?+1 for some placemarks being in "always private" mode.
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Inappropriate?I like this idea, but also the inverse (having some "Placemarks" always public, like businesses or event venues).
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Inappropriate?I came over to Feedback to post this very thing. I'm glad to hear this is already being looked at.
Privacy settings at each placemark allow me to broadcast "Home" to the world without revealing the actual location to anyone but say, my trusted friends. I've already gone back and forth in my privacy settings many times trying to decide just what I think "Private" should mean in this instance, and it really comes down to particular locations.
Full-on private for everything should still be an option that I can send a command to "hide out" from everyone other than trusted friends, but Privacy is really relative. I expect privacy at home unless I'm sharing it with people I trust, but I don't necessarily expect privacy by default when I'm at a coffee shop, for example.
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Inappropriate?I'm pleased to see this is already being discussed. I was about to add it myself. For me, location is highly correlated with whether I want to be public or private. Diner? Public. My mistress' house? Private. (Or did I get that backwards?)
My idea for this might be a tad more work to implement, but would likely be easier to use. Users would still have a global public/private setting, which they could set at will. Placemarks would have three settings: always public, always private, or honor the global public/private setting. The default for a new placemark would be to honor the global setting.
Make sense?
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I think that makes perfect sense. Some places always private, some always public, and the rest follows the global setting (which gets set by checking in at any place belonging to the other two). -
Inappropriate?Any news on this front?
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Inappropriate?I'm just adding my two cents. I would like to be able to choose per placemark the degree of accuracy. For example, for a public place, like a cafe, I would like to say that the actual location is available to friends, but not the general public. My home or the home of friends and family would be visible only to trusted friends. If I'm in a place where I want to share what's going on with the world, like a festival at a park, I would set that to visible to everyone.
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Inappropriate?We are still working on this feature. We don't have an exact ETA, but keep an eye out for this sometime soon.
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Inappropriate?I think this is a great feature, one thing i'd like to see for privacy is the ability to have @placemark instead of @city or @exact
I think this is what you're going for but i'm not 100% sure
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Todd, once this feature is available it will most likely be a combination. So you would see the following:
Home (Address)
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Oh, okay. so my friends would see
t1s checked in @ home [ security levels vary here ]
I think displaying a label like that would be far more helpful than the address, seeing as i dont know addresses of hardly any place around here i wouldn't know where my friends are unless that's the case -
Yes, you are correct. Currently you can apply custom labels to locations by using the following format when you do a location search: 100 1st Street, Denver, CO [Insert Name Here]. Your current location and anything you post to it will be labeled with your custom name. Hope that helps until this feature is available. :) -
Ok that is very helpful thank you. It sounds like the privacy settings are going to add a bit more customization to this. The one thing i'd like is for everyone to see i checked in @home but with no address. That way it's a little more specific to those i dont want to share my address with. Is there any documentation on the placemarks that i've missed that little feature you mentioned? -
Inappropriate?I have a slightly different variation of this. While I don't mind anyone knowing my home address (since I live in a large building that shares the same street address with retail and restaurants), I'd prefer not to have it pushed to Twitter every time I religiously check back in for the night. It's more of a redundancy thing that anything else. I like to let people know when I'm out somewhere, but it's boring and almost depressing generated a tweet that I'm home. I'd feel the same way if a "Home" placemark showed up instead. The same would be true if I went to an office every day; I don't think it would be newsworthy that I'm at work. So while I like the option to have public/private placemarks, I'd also love to choose whether to feed Twitter (and other services that may be offered in the future) based on each placemark.
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Evolver, one thing you will be able to do that will give you a similar result is if you make your home address private, you can modify your privacy settings so that your checkins in Private mode are hidden to Twitter. So if you're out and about and posting in Public mode, everyone can see your locations, but as soon as you checkin at home (which you have set to Private) it will not show this checkin to Twitter. I realize that isn't quite the same as the feature you are describing, but I hope it helps. -
Inappropriate?Some great ideas here. I've been noodling on this problem for quite some time, and want to suggest one more variation on the theme of the always-private flag:
You've essentially already got four tiers of privacy controls (public mode, trusted friends, friends, anybody). These are your verticals. You include the always-private flag concept as a third horizontal per vertical. Give me the option to exclude locations from visibility to certain groups.
In my case, I want all friends to know my exact location, with the exception of if I'm home, at my parents' house, or a handful of other sensitive spots. What I need is the ability to create an exceptions list (with always show / never show options) for "public mode", "trusted friends", "friends", and "everyone."
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Inappropriate?For the time being, couldn't something as simple as appending your sms check-in with private to mark the location private?
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Inappropriate?Any progress on this? It'd be great to see a feature that was requested three months ago get some attention.
I’m concerned that "ego notification" functionality has been prioritised above privacy options
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Inappropriate?This feature is now available. For potentially sensitive locations such as exact addresses and intersections you will see a link under the "Check In Here" and "Add to Placemarks" buttons that says "Privacy at this place". For broader searches such as street, city, or state level this link is not present.
http://brightkite.com/objects/9540dae...
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This is good but leaves one bit of control to be desired:
"Trusted Friends" should ALWAYS be able to see exact location, regardless of what privacy setting you've selected for a place. Implementing that rule restores "Trusted Friends" as a class to a position of differentiation compared to "Friends."
On a display note- it would be good to be able to view and add/edit/delete the exceptions on the Account Settings > Privacy page as well. That way we don't lose track of the privacy matrix we build.
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Your trusted friends will still be able to see your exact location, I just tested this to be sure and it worked for me. There will also be more functionality with this feature coming soon, so stay tuned. :) -
Ah, excellent. That is what gives this feature addition its real punch. You ought to note that right next to the privacy radio options, as well as right next to the "Trusted Friend" checkbox. :) -
Thanks very much for this. It makes BK much more convenient to use. What is the idea behind the "Within N meters of this place" setting? Hopefully you aren't planning to use it to select randomized locations to map. Enough randomized points can collectively show the real location pretty easily. Witness what happened with GPS. -
To add one more setting to this, I'd like for the address to be private when I check in at someone's home, for example, but I'd still like for people to see the label (eg "Steve's Place"). Would be nice to have an "allow users to see label for location" when marking an address as always private. -
mkb, the radius setting is there so that you can set it to check you in privately within a certain radius of your always private location. So if I wanted to be always private at home and anywhere near my home, I would set the radius according. It does not select randomized locations on a map. -
Though, @Lesley you've got to admit that would be effing hilarious to have implemented as @mkb describes. -
Inappropriate?That's great ... but it isn't working for my place. I can enter a full UK address with house number and postcode, and I can't see the link. For some reason, it won't "remember" the road number ... so it won't display the privacy link.
If you're adding a place at road level, the privacy option should really be displayed. If someone is trying to find you, its not hard to track you down if you know the road someone is in; just look for your car, or sit there at commute time and watch you leave or enter the house. If I have to list my home with a visible street name this isn't a very complete privacy solution.
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V, can you send the address you are having problems with to lesleyATbrightkiteDOTkom? We would like to test this. Thanks! -
Inappropriate?Functionally speaking it doesn't APPEAR to be working. It might be, but regardless of refreshes the button still says public when switching from an always public location to an always private location. This is from web, haven't tried it from cellphone yet. So close.
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Checking in to an always public/private location will not change your current privacy settings. So if you are in Public mode and check in to a location that you have marked as private, your check in and posts at this location will be private. But when you leave this location and check in somewhere else, you are still in Public mode, so your posts will be public. I hope that makes sense. -
Hrm.. yeah that makes sense. How about some kind of visual notification that the location you're checked in at is private? Maybe like a colored border around your avatar/user image? Avatars are used frequently enough to be easy notification and it could be easily used for future brightkite clients to visually confirm your posts are private from your location. -
When you check in or post at a location that you have marked as private, the lock icon on the post will show as locked, and vice versa. We are working on an indicator for the place pages of locations where you have applied sticky privacy settings and we are also working on a page where you would be able to see all of the locations you have applied these settings to. -
Inappropriate?I've noticed that when checking into a location that's marked "Always Private," like my home address, Bkite appears to send the exact location to Fire Eagle, not the inexact one that it's providing to other Bkite users. FE then displays information about my exact location, and provides it to other apps that poll FE. When I twittered about this last night:
@brightkite If I have a place set to always be private, what info does it provide to Fire Eagle? Looks like it's sending the full location.
Bkite's response was:
@thomwatson FE does not have the granularity of privacy controls available in Bkite. We share the publicly available location with FE.
Wouldn't the "publicly available location" for a location marked as always private be the inexact version? This seems to be what they say they're sending in response to my inquiry. However, my personal experience suggests the opposite, that they are sending -- at least as recently as last night -- my exact location even for a private location.
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Inappropriate?This is back to there simply not being enough options. And maybe its an issue of options on Fire Eagle's end, but the two options it gives when syncing with Fire Eagle are exact location or zipcode (there are more options, but less specific). On the one hand, for Fire Eagle to be useful, they need my exact location, but on the other hand, since I have told BrightKite not to give that information out, they shouldn't give it out. It should look as if I checked in at a zip code or city, not an address. It doesn't seem like that should be to hard.
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Inappropriate?We apologize for any confusion. If you have FE sharing enabled, we will send your exact location to them and then within FE you can modify your privacy settings for what information gets sent out to any other sites. We realize that this is not made very clear in Brightkite, so we will go in and revise it so people know their exact location will be shared when they update.
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Inappropriate?Lesley, I'm glad at least that you're going to make what you do clearer, but it actually means that Brightkite and FE together just isn't useful for me. If I need to go into FE and change my privacy setting there each time I check into an always-private location in Brightkite, when otherwise I want my location in FE to be public, then why should I even use Brightkite? The alternative is that I set FE to show everything at an imprecise level, which also is less than desirable.
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One thing you can try, which is actually what I do, is to set the accuracy level of your location yourself when you check in. I'm always in public mode, so whenever I need to check in to a sensitive location, I simply don't check into an exact address. I will check in at street level or using an intersection, then I placemark these locations. I am always in control of what information is shared with FE and Twitter and don't have to rely on the privacy controls. I realize that this is not a desirable option for everyone, so it is only a suggestion, but it could help keep the Brightkite/FE combination useful for you. :) -
Yes, that's true. It's not the most ideal, given that both services support varying degrees of precision and should be able to work out a way to share them more accurately and transparently, but it's not a bad work-around and isn't without its own benefits. I'll definitely try it out (while waiting for a better solution down the road) :-) . -
Inappropriate?Although I can see how this new system works for many, it still doesn't work for me or anyone dealing with a mixed-use development with one street address. In my case I live in a large building with retail and restaurants on the ground level. I'd like to be able to check in publicly to a restaurant or gallery but not my actual residence. If we had actual private placemarks, this would work fine. Unfortunately, the setting of one (my residence) overrides another (a store) because we share the same address. I really hope this will be resolved in the future. This would seem a potential hassle for many folks. Thanks for taking the concept this far.
I would still really, really love to be able to toggle the Twitter feed easily *without* having to go into private mode. I don't actually care whether anyone knows where I live; I just don't want it pushed to Twitter every time I return home and dutifully check in. I also may go somewhere like a grocery store where I'd like to check in publicly but don't think the Twitterverse would care. In a perfect BK world, activity at certain placemarks could also be designated as being fed (or not) to Twitter (and perhaps future services), independent of privacy settings.
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Inappropriate?Just wanted to re-iterate that we implemented this.
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Inappropriate?You did a limited version of it but not with the option to assign public and private status to different placemarks at the same address. This still doesn't seem to work for mixed use developments which can be several blocks in size yet all share the same address.
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Inappropriate?You implemented this, but with some locations, it cannot be reversed with some placemarks (the link which provides the option is not available).
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It depends on the location, the link shows for exact addresses and intersections, but for anything more vague than that it doesn't show.
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