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Shift-Click not working on Firefox/Gnome
Shift-clicking to fill out several bubbles at once is not working for me in Firefox 2.0.0.18 on Gnome 2.20.3, Fedora 8. It works fine on my home computer with Windows XP and the latest version of Firefox 3.
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Tijl,
Eric's fix for this has been deployed. On Linux you may need to hold the z key and click for multi-tasking as an alternative to alt-click. And for range clicking shift-click or ctl-click should work for you under Linux.
Let us know if you have anymore trouble on FF/Gnome.
Thanks,
Sean
I’m glad it's fixed.
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Inappropriate?I apologize for this, Tijl. Sean and I do all of our development on OS X / Windows. I'm getting setup to run Gnome in a Parallels install to test this out and work to fix it.
I’m hopeful
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Ok, no problem. It's not a huge deal, but it would probably be nice if it gets fixed some day for the users on linux :). -
Inappropriate?Tijl,
Eric will respond back here with what he finds. Sorry about this. For the most part we trust that the behavior we get on a browser on one operating system is the same we'll get on the same browser on another. This is usually a good assumption but it doesn't always work out. You know what happens when you assume....
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Sean
I’m overwhelmed by possible browser/OS permutations
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Inappropriate?Tijl,
Well, I booted up Gnome and found that even in Firefox 3.0.2 the shift isn't working it seems. I'll have to dig a bit further to see what's going on, but I'm sure it's just a minor oversight.1 Comment Add a comment
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There's no rush. It's not a hugely important feature. I'm just glad that you were able to confirm the bug, because sometimes it's also dangerous to assume that something is a bug, when it's just your own computer acting up ;).
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Inappropriate?Tijl,
Just to let you know, I've resolved the issue with the shift click on Firefox and *nix. However, it will be a few days or so till it gets pushed, because another error was discovered in the process, being that for some reason Internet Exploder is not recognizing any of the key events (though shift clicking is still working? Very confusing).
Sean and I are looking into it, but since these two issues were in a related area, we decided to hold off on pushing till we can do further development and tests.
Sorry for the delay!
Regards,
Eric
I’m hatin' on IE
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Just to clarify Eric's comment. It's IE 8 Beta 2 only that's not recognizing the Alt-click.
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Inappropriate?Tijl,
Eric's fix for this has been deployed. On Linux you may need to hold the z key and click for multi-tasking as an alternative to alt-click. And for range clicking shift-click or ctl-click should work for you under Linux.
Let us know if you have anymore trouble on FF/Gnome.
Thanks,
Sean
I’m glad it's fixed.
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Shift-click for range bubbling works. Holding the z-key for multi-tasking works as well, BUT... there's a big but, since pressing the z-key, fires up the quick find feature in firefox... I know I could disable this feature, but it's a nice feature, so I don't want to disable it.
Why don't you simplify things and use the same key combination for everything? Why not shift-click in the same activity as your previous bubble for range bubbling and shift-click in another activity for multi-tasking? As far as I can see there can be no degeneracy. Either you're in the same activity which means you want to bubble a range, or you're in a different activity in which case you want to multi-task. They are pretty much mutually exclusive, right? -
Inappropriate?Tijl,
That would prevent the always helpful multi-task a range... where you hold down both the key for range and multi-task at the same time to do both.
I'm only half kidding here... that does work today! And it wouldn't if we used the same key.
Do you have a key to suggest beside Z? Maybe... M for multi-task? Try the M key and let me know if it does anything in FF on Linux by default.
Thanks,
Sean
I’m amazed I'm trying to defend a two key plus mouse click ranged multi-task to a customer.
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Thinking a bit further on this... Can you please clarify how it would prevent the use of multi-tasking a range?
You have three situations. Your second click (being an alt-click or shift-click or whatever) is:
1) Horizontal in respect to your first click - used feature: range bubbling
2) Vertical in respect to your first click - used feature: multi-tasking
3) Diagonally in respect to your first click - used feature: range bubbling & multi-tasking
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Tijl,
So the range-multi clicking is not diagonal to your first click, it's still horizontal. Let's say you jogged for an hour from 7-8AM while listening to your Political Science lecture on your iPod. You would click on 7 on "Exercise", then shift click on 7:45 to get the full hour. Then you would alt-click on 7 on "Study" and then alt-shift-click on 7:45 to get the full hour. I think from that example of how multi-tasking range clicking works, you can see how you do need a 2nd key. That being said... there is probably no reason not to let the shift key do double duty as well.
I think I'm convinced. I'll make shift-click work for multi-tasking.
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Inappropriate?Ok, maybe this is not 'natural' enough for the average user, but to do the same thing you could just click on 7 in 'Exercise' and then Shift-Click on 7.45 in 'Study'. The only sensible result would be a multi-task range from 7 to 8 in both Exercise and Study. This way it takes only 2 clicks (as compared to your 4) and only one extra key (Shift or Alt or whatever).
I’m enjoying this extensive debate on a feature that would be used by maybe 1 in 20 people once every 20 days...
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I did realize earlier today that with my system you can't multi-task in 3 activities at once. But then... how often would one bubble a range in three activities at once?...
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It does save 2 clicks... but if the activities are not contiguous it seems very, very unnatural to me. Now... alt-shift-clicking in a web browser? THAT my friend is the most natural action of humanity. Second only to scratching an itch I should think.
I do think we've beaten this one into the ground. I for one, will never admit again that BubbleTimer even supports ranged-multi-tasking (I think it's actually just an accident of the code, we didn't do anything proactive to make it work unless Eric did it without me knowing).
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Haha, ok ;). So I gather you'll allow Shift-clicking for multi-tasking as well, instead of the z-key?
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I think we will. I won't know until I try it out and see if it causes any trouble. Any alternative other than Z a good fit on gnome in case doing double duty with shift doesn't work out? M maybe?
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Inappropriate?Tijl,
That's.....weird. The code *should* be setup to where if you can multitask on one activity, you can multitask on an infinite number of activities. I'll test again and see what's up. Still Gnome/FF(2/3)?
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Eric, my last comment was referring to my suggestion of using a single key for both multi-tasking and range bubbling. See earlier in the thread ;). It wasn't a bug report! :D
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