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Would rather keep Foxmarks as-is
I personally do not like the name change to Xmarks at all. Why are you doing this? A real answer to this is not on your blog. This feels highly unreliable marketing newspeak with added bloat/feature creep/privacy issues. I really would prefer to stay with a nice small Foxmarks as it is right now instead, and I do not need these site suggestion features at all, they only raise more privacy concerns and issues I cannot introduce inside company borders. The Xmarks.com domain is also on several website block lists, just look at former replies, there will be more because any name with a big fat 'X' in it is far too common among sex and hack sites, and website keyword filters like Dansguardian. You're going to find it is impossible to get around packages like Dansguardian.
Sorry, you're trying to fix something that isn't broken, and you are breaking it in the process! the 'new' name alone brings back memories of the 1980s, comical perhaps but we've grown out of that literally last century. Please reconsider the change, we love Foxmarks as it is, don't reinvent old wheels that others already created.
And if you really must go forward with this, turn off the privacy sensitive bookmarks sharing and suggestions by default please, the privacy concerns are too great.
Perhaps Foxmarks can coexist with Xmarks?
Whatever your choice will be, mine will be to either stay with Foxmarks or leave when this becomes impossible and go back to manual, reliable, backups once again.
Sorry, you're trying to fix something that isn't broken, and you are breaking it in the process! the 'new' name alone brings back memories of the 1980s, comical perhaps but we've grown out of that literally last century. Please reconsider the change, we love Foxmarks as it is, don't reinvent old wheels that others already created.
And if you really must go forward with this, turn off the privacy sensitive bookmarks sharing and suggestions by default please, the privacy concerns are too great.
Perhaps Foxmarks can coexist with Xmarks?
Whatever your choice will be, mine will be to either stay with Foxmarks or leave when this becomes impossible and go back to manual, reliable, backups once again.
I’m Very unhappy
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Inappropriate?Indeed, it sounds like another scheme to sell users to advertisers.
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Inappropriate?agree . its annoying and sad. I could browse away and work and home and not worry about remember good sites.
And even if i delete my account they may still keep my bookmark record !
In my mind bookmarks are a very personal thing - wish i had never installed the stupid thing.
I’m angry
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Just a quick note here--if you delete your Xmarks/Foxmarks account, all your bookmark data is cleared away. -
Eric, with all due respect you and your team fail to fully address the retention of user account details such as user names and associated data; you have a legal obligation to purge any and all data associated with a user when deletion is requested, this includes username and any and all attached data; it is not limited to just bookmarks, as all data together form an identity which can be traced back to it's owner via the usual forensic ways. However you seem to purposefully avoid any questions regarding the legality of your services and practises by replying with smoke screen answers, and in doing so you only raise doubt.
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Inappropriate?Found this on the xmarks blog site.
CREDIT to BRUCE MOMJIAN
http://momjian.us/
To prevent Firefox from bugging you to upgrade from Foxmarks 2.7.2. Open “about:config”, right-click to create a new
boolean variable, extensions.foxmarks@kei.com.update.en..., and set it to ‘false’; you will then no longer be prompted to upgrade
Foxmarks. Download 2.7.2 by clicking on “See All Versions” from
addons.mozilla.org.
CREDIT to BRUCE MOMJIAN
http://momjian.us/
Again thanks Bruce !!!!
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Inappropriate?I don't see the difference for me, i knew from the start that they would make a search engine of everyones bookmarks and it doesn't bother me.
I don't use the new xmarks functions, but they are optional. Just turn em off, and you have the exact same experience with foxmarks or Xmarks, just a new name and a new icon.
They will still use everyones bookmarks for the search engine, whether you use foxmarks or xmarks. They had all the bookmarks for the start.
If you don't want you bookmarks to be used in the new xmarks website, remove your account and stop using foxmarks/xmarks.
I’m indifferent
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Allowing an individual to click through an installer without explicitly warning them about the privacy policy and the sections therein regarding the fact that their data will be aggregated and shared by default does not constitute permission to aggregate and share the data of that individual.
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They show the terms of service when you register for a account, not when installing. Your data wont be aggregated until you use an account.
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That explains why we've never seen the TOS. Since we sync w/our own servers, we don't register for accounts.
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Forcen, if you wish to be very specific about details; while that (only being shown the TOS when registering an account) is a possibility, you must consider most users do not go out of their way to set up their own server (either because they won't or can't for some reason), and then end up not being warned explicitly about the data mining parts of Foxmarks/Xmarks.
You could argue it was their own choice not to be warned by choosing which way to go, but that would be a balloon filled with water waiting to be popped by someone with more in-depth legal knowledge when it comes to possible data mining. -
Inappropriate?Xmarks totally screwed-up my toolbar bookmarks..........xmarks BLOWS!
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Inappropriate?The people behind Xmarks are trying to find a way to monetize their product+service through creating a community hub and data-mining. This is a VERY common play and not a bad one. Look at facebook, linkedin, twitter, et al. If Xmarks stumbles a bit here and there, so be it.
I can sympathize w/those who don't like "feature creep," and also think the new "suggestion" services should be off by default. And the people of Xmarks have proven themselves open to criticism and change. Whether they listen to this particular concern, though, the reps of Xmark are pretty darned responsive. Kudos for that.
In my case, I want to thank the people at Xmarks for maintaining their product's ability to use private servers. We couldn't use this product otherwise. And it has has helped me to support my small business as we test (open source) platforms and shift people & machines, all the while keeping our data on our own systems.
regards,
-Craig
I’m thankful
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Monetizing is fine in itself, but the way it is done has to be done right. 'VERY' common play or not, there are still laws that have to be obeyed, and questions to be answered. While their willingness to respond is commendable, So far the team has failed to answer appropriately to serious questions.
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ARB, "...still laws that have to be obeyed..." implies Xmarks has broken laws. I'd like to know which and if they've violated my rights. Citations please.
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Sorry, I cannot answer your question appropriately for your location. When I speak of 'there are still laws that have to be obeyed' I mean this in a general sense, and I have used the European Union as an example once before in another comment to bring to attention the fact no questions regarding the legality of the new services have been answered appropriately by the Foxmarks/Xmarks team, and that their often used reply of 'please read our privacy policy' simply is not an answer, as EU law will still apply.
You will have to consult a lawyer specialised in privacy law and electronic communication whom is local to your country and/or state to receive proper briefing on applicable law.
In the European Union laws regarding 'opt-in', 'opt-out', 'permission marketing', 'data retention', 'data privacy', 'privacy' and 'privacy policy' (and changes in privacy policies and business operations) have blanket laws and directives that hang over the entire union, but each member state can have different laws which can add or subtract weight from the global laws and directives.
These specific topics will exist in your country, but I cannot answer on the laws and directives associated to them specific to your country, so you will have to contact a local authority. -
Inappropriate?Thank you ARB, from what little I know of EU privacy laws, that makes sense and certainly makes your comments more understandable.1 Comment Add a comment
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You're welcome Craig. That is the point of the matter; understanding. So far we have received little information from the Foxmarks/Xmarks team to go by.
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Inappropriate?ARB: So If You Have An Issue.. Take The Written Docs To YOUR local Authority, And Find Out If They're In The Right Or Wrong. Stop Trolling On Their Support Boards.. LoL
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You may wish to review your own behaviour first before commenting on that of others, Anony.
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Inappropriate?I'm voting with my feet. Goodbye.
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Inappropriate?Haven't messed with Xmarks since the disappointing early beginnings. Lots of positive progress going on around here. 184,041 weekly downloads.
I’m excited
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Better late than never some might say, but where privacy and security is concerned there is nothing worse than 'later' as it always leads to 'never'; with obvious disastrous life-long results. Look at Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Ah, even the much used argument of 'Amazon does it too' by the Foxmarks/Xmarks team, is now coming back to bite them after the recent incident with Kindle, how ironic could it be that the application once loved now doubted has had it's own share of messing with user data. Have you read the reports of users who had their data replaced by that of another user, for example? quite the excitement.
'Positive progress' is, by contrast of previous wrongdoings, highly irrelevant. User be warned. -
And, you are absolutely sure that you are not mislabeling screw-ups as cover-ups? Individual incompetence as intentional deception?
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You can decide for yourself if you wish, I know how I feel about it but cannot decide for others; though one could venture the opinion that when a piece of software is created/maintained by several people as a 'team', then some of the behaviour exhibited towards end users, in particular in response to queries of concern, can be labeled as intentional deception.
Via my profile and that of thatmtnman you can view several questions and replies that have been exchanged already regarding several concerns; in particular some of the questions that have never been answered by the team. -
Inappropriate?ARB: Are you still using Xmarks' servers to store your data? If so, there are other services and/or options.
1) If your ISP provides you disk space; Xmarks & other extensions can use that instead (SyncPlaces was designed with that in mind specificially).
2) If your ISP doesn't provide disk space: set up your own server & punch through to the internet with a service like dydns (it's trivial) or
3) find a service which provides disk space and addresses more closely your privacy concerns (humyo.com perhaps).
If your concerns haven't been addressed in 4 months, you might consider other options.1 Comment Add a comment
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Craig;
No, I no longer use Foxmarks/Xmarks at all as it can no longer be trusted to perform it's key functions, among which is private server usage. Any data that was retained by the use of this addon has been purged, any data that refuses to die on Foxmarks/Xmarks server(s) is being monitored. Repeated problems and the incidents with data corruption and 'accidental' mixups only confirm the concerns I and others have raised. It is the end of the line for this extension.
SyncPlaces I have not tried, but might in future.
Since the release of Firefox 3.5.x Mozilla Weave is being given the chance to earn it's spurs with a large set of dummy data. So far this simplistic addon has performed well, it's simplicity is very much welcomed. As for privacy, Weave requires encryption to operate, and Mozilla itself being under a much higher, much stricter form of scrutiny also helps.
And yes, it has been 4 months since my original posting on GetSatisfaction.com; but aside from one or two users actually bothering to search the site and ending up here, there is only silence. -
Inappropriate?I've switch to Weave as well since Firefox 3.5 is the default with Ubuntu. So far Weave is stable, fast, and has no "social" nonsense.
I’m glad (I switched)
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Inappropriate?I just tried weave specifically to test syncing with Fennec (Ffx mobile). Very impressive... It can also be run from one's own server. -fyi
