Require users to provide specific information for companies to research user complaints

Hi,

It makes our job difficult as satisfaction ensurers when there are no requirements (or even suggestions) made for users when they request Satisfaction.

When a user makes a complaint without providing any specific information (order number, name, trouble ticket number, etc.) we are left to ask for more information and add additional delays to the problem resolution cycle.

The problem becomes compounded when someone writes a request with an accusatory or virulent tone, and after we request more information, there is no response. This leaves us in a position in which we cannot address the issue.

I hope that that getsatisfaction.com will provide companies a reasonable mechanism in which to address any possible complaints. This benefits everyone, and goes a step further than simply providing a soapbox in which to yell from.

Thanks.

--John Morris
User Experience Engineer, Lulu.com
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  • Inappropriate?
    This is a great point and one which we'll consider the implications of right away. Of course, we do provide the blank space for people to add the details of their case, but we could do more to prompt them for the minimum data needed for a happy resolution. I can also say that we are very committed to keeping the tone productive and not a mere soapbox for negativity. We are revving the new topic form very soon and your point will be one of the issues we'll try to address.

    Again, many thanks for taking the time to encourage us in the right direction.
     
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  • Inappropriate?
    The problem becomes compounded when someone writes a request with an accusatory or virulent tone, and after we request more information, there is no response. This leaves us in a position in which we cannot address the issue.


    But in reality, you _have_ addressed the issue. You've told the customer that you are listening, and if they are willing to provide the information you need you can help them. It's a dialog, and if the customer who wants help doesn't want to take part he won't get his answer. Take for example: http://getsatisfaction.com/timbuk2/to..., As you can see in this dialog, JK (the customer) is generally belligerent, as several employees try to help him and get the correct information to solve his problem. There was a bit of a language barrier (JK lives in Latvia) so that could be some of it, but in general he responds to further inquiries about his situation with the original question, and refuses to accept that he sent his original problem email to the wrong address. Furthermore, he refuses to accept that the email could have been lost in delivery and refuses to send it again. In general, he makes his life much harder simply because he is pissed off about Timbuk2 using flash in their Bag builder.

    Timbuk2 did a wonderful job, they were professional the entire time, and multiple employees came in to try and help out. They even at one point try to get us to give them JK's email that he signed up with so they could contact him personally, but JK didn't want to release it to them.

    I hope that that getsatisfaction.com will provide companies a reasonable mechanism in which to address any possible complaints. This benefits everyone, and goes a step further than simply providing a soapbox in which to yell from.


    IMO, you have that. Take for example your situation. You had a person come in and call Lulu dishonest and thieving, basically. How did you respond? You rectified the situation in stellar fashion. Now, all you need to do to really cap off the problem is to make your final response in that topic be the _only_ offical response. Then your potential customer reads "Accusation of theft-> OMG here's this awesome response that goes above and beyond." Problem solved.

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    The problem with requiring users to do anything is that it is stifling. In the sense that it prevents people from posting at all, and also constrains the direction that conversations can take. When every problem requires an order number, it stops people from voicing their problems pre-purchase, just as one example. The list goes on. IMO we already have too much structure around the posting process, but thankfully nearly all of it is optional. I think Leslie, Lane and Ted have done an awesome job balancing structure with simplicity. Just wait until the next rev comes out :)

    Satisfaction is all about bringing personality to what is otherwise a series of contact forms and order number fields. Dialog is a good thing and will pay dividends down the road. I don't want contact forms and "Thank you for your inquiry, we will return this email in 24 hours, customer #12323", I want Humanity.

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    Now, I like the idea of suggestions. One of the things that we've planned for this community is to build a place where companies can learn about providing better service. Likewise, it makes sense to provide tools that allow customers to get better service quicker.
     
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  • Inappropriate?
    You’re a great test case for us, John. I notice that you jumped in months after initially signing up and solved a problem the other day from a very cranky poster. Great way to handle it, by the way. And, the next day, you got a harsh accusatory post from someone else. I am so glad you are rejoining us because it shows a willingness to try it our way, a different way. I would wager that the particular kind of service you offer people — publish a book yourself — is one that probably has a million potential customer service pitfalls, not the least of which is a subset of customers who may expect instant fame and fortune from their book, and who may direct any disappointments right toward you.

    You're right: We need to find a better way to encourage people to suppress their initial urge to rant. We've got some ideas on that front, and I'm sure we'll get there.

    The hope with our service is that the Lulu section can be populated with a lot of success stories and not just soapbox rants. But, to get there, it does require the kind of real conversations that take time and that are hard to work through. But, once that conversation happens, it becomes a model for future conversations. My hope is that a year from now people will come to Lulu’s section on Satisfaction and see examples of how Lulu solved their exact same problem, which would be valuable to everyone involved.

    Thanks for joining these conversations, and please call on me for help keeping the conversation going!
     
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  • Michael H.
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    I second John's request. A simple second box, that says something to the effect of, "If you would like to enter a issue/ticket number please enter here." would be huge for us. I spent half an hour today hunting down a customer.

    1. Searched by their Satisfaction username in our system.
    2. Found an account because the email happened to match the user name.
    3. Saw an order that fit the description.
    4. Searched for a ticket in Timpani/LivePerson using that account and order info.
    5. Found nothing.
    6. Saw the user's full name on the order.
    7. Searched in Timpani and found the ticket.
    8. The customer had a second account with separate orders that were the problem.
    9. I was able to help the customer.

    If a customer is that mad, I need to do everything I can to get them a satisfactory answer the first time. Not just from a transparency perspective , but to help the customer. Yes, it shows we cared if we asked for more info. and the customer never provided it, but it is still better to help the customer if at all possible.

    If a company rep. could select from a set number of fields to offer their customers, then our chance of helping someone would increase greatly. For us:

    * Ticket Number
    * Order Number
    * Project ID

    The goal isn't just transparency, but also good customer service and this is the information we need to fix peoples problems efficiently.

    Offering companies some customization should also lead to greater by in by companies. Getting customers satisfactory answers faster should please customers too. As long as those boxes are always option, it shouldn't hold people back. They could have a disclaimer such as, "Company X can help you faster if you provide the following optional information."

    Thanks,
    Michael
     
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  • johnm
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    Scott,

    The problem with requiring users to do anything is that it is stifling. In the sense that it prevents people from posting at all, and also constrains the direction that conversations can take. When every problem requires an order number, it stops people from voicing their problems pre-purchase, just as one example.


    Being a User Experience Engineer, I am well aware of the potential problems caused by lengthy forms which have several required fields. I can understand the position that requiring an order number or trouble ticket may be inhibitive to posting the request in the first place, but not actively encouraging it also isn't the answer either. Although it is probably too late in the game for you folks, I think a system of using actual names rather than usernames is a way for for Customer Service teams to quickly resolve an issue. Most organizations have a way of looking up an issue with a first and last name. Trying to tie a person's username here with an account on our end is a long shot.

    Satisfaction is all about bringing personality to what is otherwise a series of contact forms and order number fields.


    This is a noble goal. However, this does not mean that in order to make the dissatisfied customer feel better about this forum or any other better, you have to inhibit or resist assisting the organization in looking into the problem. This forum exists for the user, I understand that. I just believe that if you want more participation from companies, it would suit you to help them too. We want to help. Few companies are successful when they don't put great stock into customer service. Give us a chance to quickly look into or resolve the issue. Customer service is expensive. It isn't easy to divert resources from the normal support channels into a third party, but our care for our creator community means we will. The more times a customer service person has to go back and forth to investigate means more delays and a higher cost for the organization.

    Eric,

    I am so glad you are rejoining us because it shows a willingness to try it our way, a different way. But I bet you are having second thoughts.


    This isn't true. Before being developer at Lulu, I spent a year and a half as a customer service operator. A good percentage of our front and back end developers have spent time in customer service. It provides a very meaningful insight to both the support end of business as well as the user experience. I have no qualms addressing dissatisfied customers. I see it as a challenge to find a user who has had a negative experience and turn them into an advocate for us. We are a great company, provide a great service, and take care of our users.

    I would also wager that the particular kind of service you offer people — publish a book yourself — is one that probably has a million potential customer service pitfalls, not the least of which is a subset of customers who may expect instant fame and fortune from their book, and who may direct any disappointments right toward you


    This is also not the case. We take great strides to emphasize that the creator is the publisher, not Lulu. We also make great effort not to set expectations of a publishing deal or sales of thousands of copies. The majority of our customer service complaints are not unusual--order not received/taking too long, defect in printing, encountering a bug in the application.

    You're right: We need to find a better way to encourage people to suppress their initial urge to rant.


    eBay has a feedback system in which both parties can mutually withdraw feedback. I'm not certain that model fits this scenario, but more than once I have seen remorse from writing something while emotional. The ability to go back and edit or otherwise append the initial statement may go towards this end.

    The hope with our service is that the Lulu section can be populated with a lot of success stories and not just soapbox rants.


    I see the value in providing an alternate channel of communication. Having 100% of our support over electronic communication can be frustrating to those with whom technology is not a comforting thing. Just as with telephone customer service, there are support cases that for whatever reason fall through the cracks and do not get addressed in the time that they should. Our Customer Advocacy team is on board with your application, but making their job easier will go a long way to ensure that this site is viewed as an opportunity rather than more noise.

    --John
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  • Inappropriate?
    We agree! By the way, we don't "exist for the user" -- we're aiming to bring customers and companies closer together, and make the communication more human. So our interest is very much aligned with yours in helping you provide better customer service. We've been having active discussions about how to provide more of the features that you're requesting, so stay tuned.
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  • Inappropriate?
    John: I shouldn't make assumptions about your business, and for that I apologize. It sounds like you have a strong customer-facing approach and I shouldn't assume otherwise! Thanks for pointing this out to me.
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  • johnm
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    Thor,
    We agree! By the way, we don't "exist for the user" -- we're aiming to bring customers and companies closer together, and make the communication more human.


    This is reassuring to hear. I do find it impressive that someone with the letters CEO next to their name addressing your users' (in this case, another company's) concerns with your product.

    I look forward to new releases in which new features are implemented that achieve the end you seek.

    Thanks to you and everyone else in your organization for the prompt and helpful replies.

    --John
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  • Inappropriate?
    not actively encouraging [the addition of order numbers, etc.] also isn't the answer either.


    I totally agree, I didn't emphasize my agreement with you very much in my post. My trepidation is specifically around requiring users to provide more information. As I may have alluded to in my previous post, the topic submission process is being actively worked on, both to make the process more accessible as well as powerful. I'm sure some of your suggestions will creep into those designs.

    Although it is probably too late in the game for you folks, I think a system of using actual names rather than usernames is a way for for Customer Service teams to quickly resolve an issue.


    Not too late at all, in fact we try to encourage people to use their real names as often as possible:

    realnames1

    realnames2

    This service is only starting out, and has already gone through many large changes, and I'm sure it will see more in the future.
     
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  • Jonathan Grubb
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    This could make a good premium service for companies (if that's the road Satisfaction is headed down). Companies that choose to engage more heavily in the Satisfaction community could add specific fields to their submission form, like an order number that is only viewable by the company representatives.
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  • Igor The Troll
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    John Morris, we all try to contibute as a community to resolve the problem, even if at times it takes a lot of work on the part of a complaining person, company representative, and the whole GS network, but that is what all of us are here for.

    I come here to resolve my problems, and some of them get fixed right a way, other are on the back burner, but that is life.

    I beleive if we inforce a user to provide detail data they may not voice their complaint! Remember why are they here in the first place! If a user would have been helped in a proper matter by a company they would not need to look for another way of solving a problem.

    So, Scot, my suggestion set up the input fields but do not make them mandatory for submiting a post.

    Thank you all GS employees and companies for coming to this wonderful public forum

    Igor Berger
     
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