The "A new topic was posted" e-mails sent from Get Satisfaction should include the subject of the topic.
All the e-mails sent about new topics have the same subject line "A new topic was posted in PBwiki". As a result,
1) Gmail lumps all the e-mails into one thread
2) You can't tell what the problem is by the subject line
1) Gmail lumps all the e-mails into one thread
2) You can't tell what the problem is by the subject line
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people like this idea
I like this idea!
Tell me when this idea gets some attention.
The more people who like this idea, the more it gets noticed.
The more people who like this idea, the more it gets noticed.
The company implemented this idea.
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Inappropriate?Yes! We're releasing improved email subject lines and content this week that deal with these (and other) common issues.
I’m eager for this, too
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Inappropriate?Just to put my IMO in, I prefer that they all have the same subject line. #1 on your list is the reason I like it. Having gmail group them as one conversation lets me go through them much quicker when I'm in work mode, and when I'm not those emails don't clutter up my entire inbox.
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Inappropriate?You can always use a Gmail filter or Outlook rule to make sure they don't clutter the inbox (that is what I do).
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Inappropriate?Has this been implemented? We've had an uptick in feedback on GS lately and we're just getting swamped. Its really painful to process the GS email alerts because they still aren't threading in gmail, so a lot of stuff is going unanswered. :(
"A New Problem/Idea/Questoin" and "A New Reply" don't get clumped, making it broootal.
An digest email every 4hrs or so might also be nice. GS is totally kickin' out butt.
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Inappropriate?The feature you're asking for hasn't been implemented, but we did implement what Brian was asking for.
As for your request, I'll add a Threading ID header; which should help.
Just out of curiousity, how many mail messages are you seeing per day? -
Inappropriate?Threading ID? Is there such a thing?
This blog describes something called Threading-ID, but he is only proposing a new header.
There are other headers, but I've been unable to use them for the purposes of instructing g-mail not to clump them together. The only solution I've found is to use different subjects. -
Inappropriate?Depends on the day, but roughly 20 or so individual gmail threads a day.
Is the Threading ID thing something you'll be able to rollout relatively soon? Will that somehow help things get clumped better in gmail?
Edit: Attached is a screenshot, giving a sense of how painful it is to look at our inbox.
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Inappropriate?I believe we've added the threading ID to the email notifications, and it will go live after tonight's deploy. So we'll take it out for a test drive tomorrow. We know it works in Apple Mail but are not sure about how well it's supported by Gmail.
I’m hopeful
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Inappropriate?Specifically, I'm looking to include custom Message-ID headers on the email notification send out for each Topic message, and then setting the In-Reply-To header on each of the replies.
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Inappropriate?I'll also talk with people tomorrow about matching subjects up on our notification mail, so reply notifications are "RE:" the topic message.
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Inappropriate?It's also interesting to note, given your screenshot, improved threading support probably won't help your situation much, IMO. Each of those emails were from different threads.
It will probably let you keep your messages together more easily, but the real solution, in my opinion, is digest email support.
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Inappropriate?Good point. Digest email would be great. But daily seems too low a granularity. Because you do want to be able to respond to users quicker than that if possible. Every 4hrs or so might be good. I'd imagine a digest feature would be much further off?
I'm curious, how do y'all GS'ers handle this prob? It must be email overload for you? -
Inappropriate?Eric will probably have a more poignant response than me, given he is on the frontlines of *tons* of companies in the site, but i'll tell you how I tend to handle it.
I don't get email notifications for replies, only for new topics. In my opinion, getting into a conversation quickly is the best thing; a little bit of lag time during a conversation usually goes unnoticed, unless you leave a topic alone for an extended amount of time without responding. In my experience, problems that turn into extended conversations either don't need my attention (their philosophical, exploratory, or congratulatory, rather than someone needing an issue addressed) or are niggling problems that involve a lot of back and forth.
On the flip side, the majority of the new issues we see are very simply addressed, or have been addressed in the past. By front loading those on my todo list, I can provide quick responses to the low cost items.
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The reality, for me, is that if I jumped on every reply in an instant, I would never get any work done. Already, I spend far to much time helping my coworkers rather than concentrating on my own tasks; ask anyone in the office, I bounce around from place to place all day. I wouldn't be able to help myself if I had emails coming in all day, so I set aside 2 blocks of 30 minutes (roughly) each day to deal with ongoing topics where I'm needed.
It means I do spend a lot of time responding on GSFN, but I can tell you I am much better off for it. I don't ever consider it as stolen time. I've got smart people keeping me honest, smacking me down, and teaching me how I can make the service better for them, and every now and then a little love is shown too.
Hope that helps,
Scott
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this is one of the best points
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Inappropriate?Very cool philosophy.
So turning off reply notifications would be great for the email overload issue, but then do you constantly return to GSFN to monitor your open discussion threads in case the issue isn't resolved?
Thanks for your help in trying to help us determine best practices and make GS work for us. We just added the Feedback widget to our pages and I'm a little concerned its gonna cause an even bigger flood of GS stuff for us to deal with. -
Inappropriate?I try to set aside specific time each day to monitor or respond to ongoing topics, and outside of that set time I concentrate on other things. I'm lucky in that I have co-workers who also pay attention to the site, so they man the watch posts when I am not.
It's also important to note that Get Satisfaction won't replace the need for having a dedicated support person (or, as Thomas Knoll from Seesmic likes to say, an Apostle), it will only delay it. We're working hard at delaying the need for a dedicated support person even further, but the truth is that sometimes you need someone who can claim ownership of being the public face of your customer service. You might even look into recruiting some of your best users to help with the load. I'd be happy to run some numbers for you to see who your most active user's are. I bet you that you can find at least one person who can be convinced to help.
Additionally, you could ask the community for volunteers, and explain to them that the load is getting too high and is distracting you from further improving the tool that your users are passionate about, and you want to help facilitate some self-help. Give these volunteers something, say a spot in a "Hall of fame" style page on your own site.
Rael from IWantSandy has recruited community members to help with his load, perhaps you should give him a buzz about how well it worked for him. He could probably give you a good rundown of what worked, what didn't, and perhaps how you could make it work for you.
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As far as keeping track of the ongoing topics that need your attention, I use my dashboard. It's low enough activity that I only need to scroll back a page or two to get to the last place I was and work my way forward. Eric uses an RSS reader, and subscribes to topics he wants to keep track of.
The next iteration of the dashboard should also greatly improve this workflow.
I’m hopeful that helps some
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Inappropriate?I don't see how I can have a more poignant response than Scott. He's said it very well. (And, he's much better at setting aside time for things than I am.)
I'm a fan of RSS and Google Alerts -- anything that can set you up to be notified. For example, if you have a customer who you like, who bothers the heck out of you, contributes a ton, etc., RSS their dashboard so you can keep up with them. Keep a folder of RSS feeds for that. Your most-active users are probably going to be following the best and worst conversations in your section, and you can quickly scan with an RSS reader if you don't have time to read every conversation. Likewise, if you don't already have Google Alerts for your company/products (I suspect you do), it's essential.
I definitely don't advise you to try and follow everything. There was a time when I would attempt to monitor the entire Get Satisfaction activity stream. No more. I had to come up with more efficient ways of tracking activity, or I'd spend all day on just monitoring. It was hard to let go of that, but I'm glad I did. I'm much more productive. I'm still pretty responsive, and it turns out that my community does a great job of alerting me to trouble spots I would have caught by scanning all activity.
I’m a busy body
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Inappropriate?Hey Eric and Scott,
A big thank you for the thoughtful responses. Some helpful stuff in there to be sure.
I find the Dashboard as similarly overwhelming as my inbox full of GS mails, and for similar reasons. Messages from the same thread appear in multiple places for example. I'm really looking fwd to the new version.
I use Google Alerts for sure, but very few of the GS posts show up in there for some reason. Maybe its because my Alert is for "BumpTop" and most people may not mention it in their post, though it is certainly mentioned elsewhere on the GS page.
Maybe I'll give RSS a go. I know a lot of people swear by it but I've never been able to get into it. But the need is especially great now as feedback piles up.
Community supported feedback would be great, but since we're in beta a lot of the Q's I think need a developers insight to answer them methinks. But I could be wrong.
As a side note, I've been told good documentation can help reduce feedback received by 30% or so. We have little to no documentation and this is something we're working on improving.
Thanks again!
I’m glad to hear other peoples strategies
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