Are 24 Hour markets fair?
I got lucky yesterday. Around this time last night I bet $1000 on the DOW going up on Wednesday (to compensate for Tues. losses). I am a night owl to say the least, so at 11am EST I was about to crash, and I thought, hey wait, check the DOW and the HD market. Well my bet had more than doubled because the DOW was up (and I got in low), and I thought, I'm not going to be awake in time to check this question before the NYSE closes, so I cashed out. The DOW closed slightly down. Lucky me.
My point here is that, given my sleeping hours, the DOW questions are highly risky for me. I know that and take it into account. But can you imagine the NYSE open 24 hours a day? Investors would have no chance to make informed decisions when they were asleep or living their lives, so would lose confidence in the market (or pull out their investments daily to shelter them).
Now US investment companies can operate 24 hours a day by working the Asian and European markets when the Americas markets are closed, if they dare.
So I'm wondering if HD markets are problematic by not closing for a rest period once a day. That's not to say that all markets should be closed at the same time. HD could have 3-4 regions that span the 24 hours of the day, and questions could be placed in their appropriate region. Also, the down time could be 6 or 8 or 12 hours. But people could take into account their availability when deciding to predict in a market in a given region.
Just a thought. And a question.
Patrick
My point here is that, given my sleeping hours, the DOW questions are highly risky for me. I know that and take it into account. But can you imagine the NYSE open 24 hours a day? Investors would have no chance to make informed decisions when they were asleep or living their lives, so would lose confidence in the market (or pull out their investments daily to shelter them).
Now US investment companies can operate 24 hours a day by working the Asian and European markets when the Americas markets are closed, if they dare.
So I'm wondering if HD markets are problematic by not closing for a rest period once a day. That's not to say that all markets should be closed at the same time. HD could have 3-4 regions that span the 24 hours of the day, and questions could be placed in their appropriate region. Also, the down time could be 6 or 8 or 12 hours. But people could take into account their availability when deciding to predict in a market in a given region.
Just a thought. And a question.
Patrick
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Inappropriate?Sorry. I forgot the other half of my argument. The other advantage of regional markets is that no editor can be settling or voiding questions 24 hours a day. People who get impatient about getting their winnings immediately forget that the editor may be half a globe away from them. Having regional editors would help with this.
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Inappropriate?I disagree.
1.Your argument contradicts itself. People from around the world place bets at different times, and it is to their disadvantage if there are rest periods. Also, if I discover a good question from some other user's profile or otherwise, then the prediction may be suspended due to the rest period
2.Assuming you are saying that markets remain open from x - y o'clock as per each timezone, then what happens is if the DOW is open when my market is closed, then I'm in trouble
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Inappropriate?Well, I'll try.
1. I'm not saying because you live in such and such a place you can't vote on particular questions. I'm not even saying that you can't bet or request a cash out at any time, just that your request wouldn't be processed until that question re-opened, just the same as night traders do with real stock markets. But you'd be only betting on the closing figures, with no sense of what the "overnight" action's effect on opening "prices" would be. You would also be able to cancel a pending order at any time UNTIL the market re-opened.
2. Again, you would not be shut out of the Dow questions at all. But the time window when Dow questions were "active" would be less than 24 hours, would contain the Dow's hours (say 5am EST to 9pm EST, but closing totally at 4pm on the day in question), would allow night orders for the morning (ie bets and cash ins between 9pm and 5am EST would be recorded (and able to be cancelled until 5am) but not processed until 5am). If you live in Tokyo, this might be inconvenient, but less so than actually running a NYSE portfolio from there (ie our market is open longer hours than the NYSE).
The regional aspect is just that the events in a region (sports/stock market/political announcements/etc) tend to happen in local daytime, so if these group of questions "sleep" for awhile it should be when people in that region usually sleep. If you live in a particular region you can bet on any questions in all the regions, but those questions might be dormant for a portion of the time you are physically awake. There would always be questions open in at least two regions (of 3 or 4) at a time. The other idea about regions is that not only am I more likely to be awake when the important things happen locally (not me personally - I live in Toronto Canada but inhabit Tokyo hours) but I may have more interest and knowledge about these questions. For example, I don't vote on German football games as a rule.
The only reason I came up with "regions" was to stagger the "sleep" times of questions, so that there's always questions open. The reason for suggesting such down time was to address the issue of whether or not having markets, which are volatile both in their speculative nature and in reacting to outside information, open when the people most involved in them can't react to changes affecting those markets is potentially a bad idea.
It's a philosophical question mostly, but there's also the fairness aspect. Say the question is Will J Lo have babies by Sunday, and being a night owl I happen to catch the breaking news at 4am EST Friday that she's on the way to hospital. Is it fair that I (and a smallish number of Europeans and Asians) then dump lots of cash on Yes, if the majority of people betting on this question won't find out for 3 more hours. I know the expected likelihood has gone from say 30% to 80%, so I get in early on Yes sending the odds up to 45%, wait until everyone else hears and then sends the odds up to 90% (briefly), and double my money by cashing out, even though I have no idea whether it will turn out to be a false alarm. A closed market until 9am would have me and all the 7am newspaper readers and breakfast television watchers and texters and blog readers all at a same level of knowledge when the market opens, all gaining the same percent because all the early bets are processed as a block. Otherwise I get huge gains and they wake up to a market that's hardly worth betting on (money-wise) except for the first few in.
Individuals (unlike companies that can run shifts or operate foreign bureaus) have to sleep and feed. They cannot play a market 24 hours a day for weeks on end. They require their local stock exchange to work with that, and shut down sometimes, because a market becomes too risky for an individual if you can lose half your wealth overnight while you are sleeping. (Corporations can stay up and on top of it, but markets close for the sake of the small investor, among other reasons.) So why don't ours, for the same reason?
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Inappropriate?It boils down to people creating better Predictions with more clear settlement statements and descriptions. Until that happens moderators need to step in and edit these Predictions and/or suspend/reject unclear Predictions.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?Perfect reply. Now your suggestion makes more sense to me, but what happens if the end date is during the rest time
eg. the rest time is 1 am to 8 am, but the end time of the question is 4 am. so, if I bet at 2 am, the wager is voided because when the markets re-open, the betting time is up.
Otherwise, nice suggestion
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Inappropriate?Good point! Well, maybe scrap the fixed regions and just make sure the closing time (if fixed) is in open hours. But it would work as is, like questions that suspend before the result occurs, like cutting off bets an hour before the stock exchange closes. Each question could have its own hours of inactivity (although it begins to get complicated - think of all the different times the creator has to enter and the bettor should check for before wagering money).
Anyway, I'm not sure that 24 hours are unfair. I'm just throwing the question out for discussion.
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