I am on STRIKE

i have already said i will do the same and i have tried to explain they r alienating many users for one..but its their site so my only choice is no patricipation..i was willing to do what i could to help what i thought was a site trying to do the right thing but i must have a different idea of what the right thing is..the sentence by administration about being fair to him completely blew my mind

Thank you crudsy. Well so far that is 2 of the top 5 users. Lets see who else decides to join in. I wonder how far Hubdub is willing to go to protect an obvious gamer. My problem is that they pretend they didn't know he was gaming. I personall talked to 3 different category admins they all claimed they knew about this user and were watching.

Good points. But, "going on strike" won't work.

I've tried the same approach with another community-centered site, and it definitely didn't work. Their response was, "So what? Who are you anyway?"

Plus, look at your odds. HD has 5547 users. I'm guessing an effective strike would have to involve more than half of those users.

Or, maybe it's just the top leaderboard users -- those of us that are in Satyaki's "league" -- that even care that he cheats because we are near him in H$ and standings. The top 20 leaderboards only include .3% of HD's total users. Meaning, if we strike....so what? HD will still have 99.7% of their users to replace us. So, good luck with that.

I sympathize with you, and I agree with your that Satyaki should be BANNED. But, there has to be a more effective way then "going on strike" to convince HD that they should take a more aggressive stance against gamers.

I've got lots of good ideas that would definitely be effective, and might even be "news-worthy" (oh, the irony!), but my halo keeps getting in the way.

= )

Good point. But the important part is whether the site will have that mentality in which honest users will see what the site is about. This is a time for the admins at hubdub to decide in which direction that wish to go. Do they want a large number of users which can game and cheat the site, use all the cool social networking features, or do they want to appeal to the honest users, who found this site refreshing, a news forecasting site that allowed highly intelligent people a forum to share thier addiction of news with others. I believe if enough high profile people stand up and say, we don't want gamers on this site, they will not say so what, but will respond by giving our site back to us.

this is fake money..i do it for fun..if somebody is allowed to cheat to get to the same place i am then it is not fun for me anymore and if they dont care then they dont care..i have to put in double the time as a cheater because he has easy access..destry and i have been here from the start trying to make the site better..if they dont need or want us anymore fine by me..i was the one with the most to lose when they were going to reset but i tried to make it work for the site to grow with suggestions and stuff..if theyd rather have a cheater on here and on the leaderboard then thats their choice but im going to say what i think is right

Interesting. HD launched in January, had over 4900 users by mid-February, but only gained about 600 users since mid-February.

Hmmm......

Yeah even more interesting is that as the site gets away from focusing on ways to improve the news side of the site and goes after making the site look more slick and adds social networking features, the site is not attracting as many users. I think what they are seeing is that people want a news forecasting website, we have enough of the other sites, and since they didn't ask the community what improvement we wanted, they introduced a bunch of things that no one seems to care about and took time away from doing what they could to make the site run better. I still miss the original home screen, it was all about news, not all these pictures and graphics.

I don't consider user satyaki competition in any form.
I get a strange smirk on my face when I see him on the leaderboards.
He is a cheat. He readily admitted it. He continues to do so after promising not to do so. He flaunts it in our faces.

I promised jenniandboys that I would refrain from any further comments on the issue within the hubdub comment boards. I agree that to escalate to a mini-war (on hubdub.com) will do the site more harm than good.

But I also believe that 'punishing' satyaki so minimally does reflect poorly on all of us. And that is bothering me.

I think that allowing cheaters to continue to participate is doing the site more harm than good.

The scarlet letter treatment is like a slap on the hand, and a slap to the face for the rest of us.

Admins, please.....

LOCK cheaters' accounts. Prevent them from bidding, creating questions, and sending shout-outs.

BAN cheaters' IP addresses and email accounts. Prevent cheaters from creating new accounts as much as possible.

BAN the types of questions that allowed cheaters to cheat in the first place.

It seems pretty simple. Granted, I've never been an administrator of a public website, and I don't have much experience in internet security, but these are my best guess resolutions that can be handled on the applications side.

Humor me.

= )

yawns, lights cigarette, sips coffee
walks over behind crudsy

YEAH WHAT CRUDSY SAID

sips coffee

I am like you guys. I have been a loyal user since the start! I have sent them dozens of compliments and suggestions and encouraging emails and thank them profusely for their tight controls over the site and building such a fantastic news predicting site, it's awesome and I love it, always have!
But their lack of ethics has me utterly bugged and I am terribly dismayed! I feel like my last 3 months of helping them build a strong website has been for naught, that all my hard work creating questions and encouraging other users has been for naught, that all of my telling my friends and co-workers and my relatives has been a total waste of time.
I am just truthfully very sad about this right now. I was having such a ball and then 48 hours ago, it's like my fun on this site hit a brick wall!
I loved the comments people would leave for me, the fun I had debating people on my questions' outcome likelihood and theirs too, now I am just frankly dismayed and perplexed at the absolute obvious fact that Satyaki cheats, the admins ADMITTED IT and Stayaki ADMITTED IT and yet we are the one's being punished for it?!?!
What gives? Have the people running this absolutely NO MORAL FOUNDATION? Do they ever expect to take this puppy public? They are crazy if they think that a cheated and screwed up site can make money in the long run, cause people WILL abandon it if they see it is of no use to try and predict things if your next door neighbor just cheats!
Explain them doing this kind of treatment to legit playes?
But I suspect they are just power trippin' and unwilling to listen to people who truly love the site, as it may be a sign of weakness. I dunno, I am just very upset!

Somehow I completely missed this whole Satyaki cheating episode. Can someone please clue me in on the details of what happened? Thanks!

Hahahaha .... Thanks for lightening the mood "searcher" :-P

Got an extra cig for me man? ... I could use one right about now :-D

How many of you know anything about cricket ?

Well it has been going on for a while. His account was penalized by 50% once before for gaming. He has continued to do it, creating many questions in which either the outcome was already known (roadies), or creating questions in which starting odds were way off, then profiting from them. Many admins were told all along, as each form of gaming was noticed, admins claimed to be watching. Finally while researching the new questions created, I noticed a distrubing pattern, and then rohan posted a question in which many links were posted showing obvious signs of gaming. Emails were sent to hubdub admins, and they were "looking" into it. What many users quickly saw as gaming and cheating, the admins took a while to determine, and then there big action was to do nothing more than post a silly message on his account, saying he was suspected of cheating. Most of us users have been growing dissatisfied with the lack of action, and finally after seeing that Nigel proposed ridiculous rules in which his account would not be penalized, we have reached the limit of tolerances. I decided at that point after reading many comments from other users that a STRIKE was necessary. If the hubdub admins decide they want to keep satayki, they the do so at the cost of other users. We are leaving this in the hands of Hubdub admins. They can simply ban his account, ban his IP, delete any future accounts he attempts to open or that are opened, and return the focus of Hubdub to creating a website that caters to the honest users.

Check out my profile.
http://www.hubdub.com/e/User/_3627
Yeah...you're a cricket.

For Markov:
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Why_is...

This isn't about cricket it is about gaming, it is about cheating. . Take your behavior to another website where people can think you are "cool"... I have no time or energy to put up with your behavior. If hubdub allows you to continue on thier site, I will not participate. I am not alone.

Been on this site since January and don't usually pay much attention to the getsatisfaction side of things, but i somehow stumbled upon this thread.

This seems ridiculous- the whole thing is pointless, h$ meaningless, etc. if known gaming is allowed. It just seems so obvious that satyaki should be gone.

It's really pretty simple- if admins are willing to sacrifice the integrity of the site then there's no point in participating and hubdub will die. :(

I'm still waiting

I urge all members who would want to get into a debate with sd, that what he is obviously looking for is debate. I choose to associate with those players in which I have respect. So for those that wish to feed into his need for attention, do so at your own risk, I hope you do it on another thread, I don't want this one getting watered down with the rantings of a cheater.

For anyone want to reach me privately feel free to do so at yahoo, screen name destry71, aim screen name destry28, or email destry71@gmail.com
I look forward to hearing more from everyone. I guess we will have to decide on sayings for the signs, and determine who is going to picket the offices at what time.

Markov, go to thise link and you will learn EVERYTHING about this terrible episode in the short but glorious history of hubdubland:
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Why_is...
and
http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top...

Satyaki has caused such an uproar that some 130 comments have been posted from users angry about the admins not banning this kid for blatant cheating and then mocking us all by not only admitting to it, but then doing it again and again!
Read some of the posts, you'll get the full story, I promise you!

lucidstates (This user: Is On Strike)

I AGREE Rob!

Instead of learning about cricket, you need a good spanking by your parents, then be sent to military school where you can hopefully mature and learn what real grown ups do :-)

You falsely assume you are worthy of a response.

The funny part is that people here don't even know what they are talking about !!
Ask yourself this question -
Have you any idea of why the Badshah questions were considered gaming ?
Do you even know who the Lahore Badshahs are ?
Do you know how much money was involved in these questions ?
I'm guessing 95% No

I agree ... Something that always works on little boys is to just ignore their childish behavior, and eventually they tire and wander off somewhere else.

Destry, I am looking forward to the admins waking up in the morning and seeing how out of hand the cheating has gotten and ban this little guy for good!
I agree with all your postings, you deserve to be one of the top dogs in this game, and yano what? I don't think there's many people on hubdub now, who don't realize that #4 on the list is not actually a player :-)
Even mom's playing this game have realized to skip over #4 and read the rest of the leader board, devoid of an sd.