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In Play NBA Final market feedback

I am starting this thread to provide a place for everyone to discuss what they liked and what they disliked about the NBA Finals in play markets. I have some ideas for future in play markets, and think we should keep them limited in quantity and reserved for major events.
I would love to see some of the following events open for in game play. The Major golf tournaments, the MLB playoffs (or just World Series), NFL football (Sunday night game and Monday night game as a minimum), College Football (just the major matchups between top rated teams, and the BCS bowl games), Tennis (just the grand slam events), NASCAR (Daytona 500, a few of the other important events), NHL (stanley cup), WNBA (finals), and I am sure some of you will find others I can't think of.

I propose the following, sports markets close at set times depending on sport. Lets start with Football, suspend any questions about the results of the first quarter before the game
starts (ie.. which team scores more points in first quarter), suspend questions about the results of the first half at the end of the first quarter of play, to carry this all the way out, 3rd quarter markets would suspend at half time, and questions about the final outcome would suspend at end of 3rd quarter. With baseball playoffs, we should suspend games at the 7th inning stretch. Nascar races should suspend with they are within 10% of the final number of laps, if it is 500 lap race, it would suspend when there was only 50 laps to go. I think we can all come up with interesting ways to make these markets exciting, while preventing people from wagering on events that are most likely known. With the other sports we can work out suspension times that provide excitement but don't allow wagering on events when outcome not likely to change.
 
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  • Donal
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    First of all...Thank you very much to Destry for doing so much of the running on this. Thanks also to the other superusers who supported this endeavor. If we are going to have in-play going forward, we will need super-user support. We are really appreciative that the Super Users (especially Destry) made this possible.

    Some thoughts on in play in general

    - This was the second time we had in play and the first time we had in play supported by Super Users. We learned a lot from this and on our end, we will be working on the processes surrounding the selection, approval and running of in play events and questions.

    - I agree with Destry that in-play should be restricted to major events. and this has been the policy since day 1. We will take a look at what events we will have in play for going forward. A lot depends on the liquidity envisage the willingness and capability of admins and superusers to monitor in play markets

    - I think we did maybe have a few too many questions during the NBA finals games. For the superbowl, we just had 10 questions. For some of the NBA finals games we had over 15 (even approaching 20 I think). I think in-play works best when liquidity is concentrated on and spread over fewer markets during the game. I'm not saying we can't have lots of in-play markets for a given event, but going forward in the immediate future I'd be inclined to be initially restrictive of the number of in-play markets for a given event and over time as we get a good feel for the volumes we are likely to get on a certain event then we can increase the number of questions. For example on week one of the NFL regular season, we could have 5 markets on the MNF game. If that works well in terms of liquidity we could have 6 or 7 in week 2 and over time find the optimum number. What I am essentially saying is that we should take a more gradualist approach to the number of in-play markets on a given event.

    - I wouldn't be as inclined to agree with the suggestion that we suspend in play markets before the conclusion of an event such as suspending after the third quarter markets on football games whose outcome will be known at the conclusion of the game. If we would have adopted that approach for the Superbowl we would have deprived users the opportunity to make predictions on who will win and who will be MVP during a very exciting 4th quarter. We must also remember that not all in-play markets will be exciting and that unlike the superbowl this year, the outcomes of many events will be pretty much a given during the fourth quarter/9th Inning/2nd half, whatever; its something we just have to live with.
     
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    Thanks for adding the image with "in-play" for the questions that were such. This made them stand out and easy to find. I hope this can be done for all questions like this in future.
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    Some thoughts:

    1) Amazing job, Destry.

    2) I hope that in future some of the "major events" include some international action. The Euro2008 soccer, the World Cup, even a cricket or rugby match. Most of all, the Olympics - there must be some events that would work well with in-play.

    3) I agree with Donal on the hesitation about cutting off wagering too early. To my mind, it somewhat defeats the purpose of in-play. Half the fun of in-play is the excitement of turn-arounds, especially as the deadline approaches. That gets lost if we cut off too early -- it's just an opportunity to recalculate new likelihoods based on later information. Of course, in-play only works fairly if there is sufficient participation. Otherwise it's pretty well free money for the few.

    I do see the value of cutting off with a minute left though. But whatever is chosen as cutoff, it must be clearly announced so as to be understood by the players. If I had one small criticism about the NBA questions, it was that in later games the cutoffs seemed a little too early, and so felt a bit arbitrary.

    4) If there's a worry about people making too much profit on in-play questions (assuming the market has liquidity), I'd suggest maybe lowering the maximum single bet to $1000 for these markets. When a given outcome becomes extremely likely in the collective mind (say 90+%), the way to still make good money is to wager high (5-10 K). Although it's still a small risk, it's basically a safe bet. If we lower the max, 10 people could get in on the action, and the profits are spread around a little. (NB I'm not saying a limit on how much you can bet on a question overall, just a limit per prediction for in-play that is lower than the $10K for general questions.)

    5) It would be nice if a group of in-play questions that all are to be suspended at the same time could be done so with one command and message by the admin or superuser.

    6) If in-play is here to stay, and is seen as an important component of hubdub, then I think there will need to be some consideration of technical issues particular to it. Page reloads are troublesome now (probably because of the cross-site social bookmarks additions). Also, the important info is just the likelihoods and ones own predictions -- it would be great to be able to refresh these alone in-page.

    But the biggest irritation for fast-paced predicting is the issue of what happens when the market moves between when you see the prediction page and when hubdub receives your prediction. (The cash-in feature works ok for this - it alerts you to the change but allows you with one click to continue or cancel.) But with predictions, I have found that you need to cancel the whole transaction, return to the question page, and start again, which kind of ruins the in-play fun.

    I believe the whole "queueing of predictions in a market" protocol needs to be looked at again to make this work properly for in-play markets.
     
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  • ontilt
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    Considering I agree with everything stated above I would just like to thank Destry and all the Admins/Superusers who monitored the NBA Finals questions.

    It should be limited to major sporting events where the questions receive action from a large group of users who can enjoy them and to prevent large gains for only a small few.

    Wow, I am trying to think of something new to add but Donal and Infernalmachine already have me covered.
    I guess I can add that as a regular Hubdubber, I enjoyed the in-play sports markets that have been allowed and believe they are good for the fun and growth of Hubdub. That is what we all want.
     
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