Loading Profile...
EMPLOYEE
Settlement resolution: washington temp
http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_t...
The problem is, what does "break" mean. We think it means "break through", i.e. 50.1 degrees would be a Yes, 50.0 degrees would be a No.
Agree? Disagree?
The problem is, what does "break" mean. We think it means "break through", i.e. 50.1 degrees would be a Yes, 50.0 degrees would be a No.
Agree? Disagree?
3
people have this problem
I have this problem, too!
Tell me when someone solves it.
The more people who report this problem, the more it gets noticed.
The more people who report this problem, the more it gets noticed.
Create a customer community for your own organization
Plans starting at $19/month
-
Inappropriate?I think 50 breaks 50.
-
Inappropriate?The American Heritage Dictionary includes the following definition for "break"
To force one's way out of; escape from: break jail.
So, to "break 50 degrees" would mean for the temperature to go above 50 degrees.
50 wouldn't be a break, that would be a "meet" or "reach". -
Inappropriate?Break also means "break into" - ie enter into. Then 50.0 is sufficient to have "broken" the 50 degree mark. I don't think "break" = "beat/surpass".
Arguably, this is indeterminable because temperature on the NOAA site is given as 50.0 which could be anywhere from 49.95 to 50.05. So we don't really know if it reached or passed 50 or not. -
Inappropriate?I would agree with Steph. 50.0000001 is a break of 50. 50 = 50. I wouldn't call it a break.
Chris, is that the official ruling from here forward?
Also I can see vicinity being debatable down the road. It appears most DC weather is gathered from the airports on the outskirts of the city, not in the city. I would say that vicinity still qualifies as DC, but wanted to be sure. -
Inappropriate?50 "Break into" 50.
50.1 "breaks" 50
The phrase "break into" was not used in the question, thus we are looking for anything about 50 to "break" 50.
N'est–ce pas?
Sounds like we are all in agreement here.
I’m in DC. Believe me, it did not 'break" 50. Brrrrrrrrrrr...........
-
Inappropriate?It was a personal opinion. I'm happy for the question to be settled by the relevant category editors as they see fit. And yes, that sound you heard *was* me ducking the question
I’m silly
-
-
Inappropriate?I think these temperature questions need to be exactly specified. No slang terms like "break". Specific reporting source (either by hubdub or by questioner). And always some indication of how to resolve a tie.
1 person says
this solves the problem
-
Inappropriate?I made up a different question to see how results of 50oF might be answered:
"Will the temperature in Washington, DC on February 19, 2008, break the record high of 50oF set for that date in 1939?"
For this question, a result of 50oF would not break the record (it would tie the record), so the answer would be "no".
If the question asked in the market was "Will the temperature in Washington, DC, REACH 50 degrees Fahrenheit on Tuesday, 2/19/08?", the result would be "Yes".
(A variant such as "Will the temperature "break into the '50s?", would result in a YES result.)
I also tried using the word "break" in different contexts, such as sports, and others,
In the end, it seems that "50" establishes a "limit" and the metaphorical meaning of the word "break" implies that the limit is crossed and therefore BROKEN.
In my view, the (hair-splitting) correct settlement to the question, as asked, is "No" -- and the settlement was correctly made. (I have no H dollars on this question.)
Of more concern to me is that the Hubdub manager answered the last "Washington, DC, temperature question", <http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_i...> , yesterday, using "wunderground.com" as the source, when the "Official Rules" state that NOAA (noaa.gov also found at weather.gov) is the definitive source to use in the US.
For the rules to have any value, they need to be used. To be used, they need to be valued.
1 person says
this solves the problem
-
Inappropriate?These are great points to think about when amending the weather rules. It is not always a simple category to manage and I particularly like the examples that TruthWrangler developed. Also if you are familiar with the NOAA site, it is definitely not great. When trying to look up daily weather reports, you are often directed to weird and complicated databases. News source specificity is appreciated, but sometimes it can make things more complicated. Thanks a lot for your suggestions.
-
Inappropriate?So, whats the final decision? -
Inappropriate?The final decision is "No",i.e. "break" means to go above the figure.
Re what truthwrangler said about the source used:
"the "Official Rules" state that NOAA (noaa.gov also found at weather.gov) is the definitive source to use in the US."
The Rules state:
"Questions regarding the weather for a specific area must be clearly defined and listed in NOAA (www.noaa.gov/wx.html) or in the equivalent organisation in countries outside the USA "
This doesn't say that NOAA is the definitive settlement source, just that the location must be listed in NOAA. I agree with nubbins that NOAA isn't the greatest website! -
Inappropriate?Absolutely, anyone spotting any of these ambiguous words should flag it immediately! Will save us all a lot of bother!
-
Inappropriate?Hi Lesley, (or others ;-)
In your view, is Washington, DC both "clearly defined" and listed in NOAA, given that Reagan National Airport is not in the District of Columbia? -
Inappropriate?Hi Everyone,
I have taken all of your suggestions and I am currently amending the weather rules. We should have that up very soon and I will post on Get Satisfaction when that goes into practice. Keep having fun on hubdub!
Best,
Diana
EMPLOYEE
EMPLOYEE
