A fork in the road (An important announcement about I want Sandy)
Today marks a fork in the road for this particular startup. Values of n [http://valuesofn.com], the company behind Stikkit [http://stikkit.com] and I Want Sandy [http://iwantsandy.com], will be closing its doors. Both services will going offline at close of business (5pm PST) on Monday December 8th, 2008. Until then, they'll be up and running as usual to allow our users time to make the transition, find alternative services, and download any data they wish to take with them.
While the company and services will be shutting down, Stikkit and Sandy's DNA will live on; the intellectual property behind both has been acquired by Twitter, Inc [http://twitter.com]. While Twitter has no immediate plans to incorporate Sandy or Stikkit's feature sets into its core product, those who know our apps well may notice familiar-feeling bits and bobs appearing in your Twitter experience.
The third tine of this fork is me: I have taken an engineering position in the User Experience group at Twitter. I started consulting there a few months ago, and fell in love with the team, their way of thinking about things, and of course the product (my Twitter user id is in the low 100s). It turns out we worked incredibly well together, the feeling was mutual, and they pulled me in as a permanent member of the team.
I'm excited to continue building simple, engrossing products -- my favorite thing to do -- and to imbue my work with all I've learned over the last three years.
We are so proud of the technology we've created behind the scenes, the experience we've provided our users, and the sense of playfulness and suspension of disbelief we've managed to inject into personal productivity. When I look back at our statement of intent [http://valuesofn.com], I realize just how true we've been to what we set out to do and how we set out to do it:
Values of n brings an iconoclastic approach to social software design.
We're throwing out the well-worn assumptions about how applications are
supposed to work, and are instead paying attention to the clever ways in
which people have adapted software to fit their needs. These workarounds
usually contain the seeds of a better solution.
We always strive to move beyond software that's "cool" or feature-full to
software that's transparent and feature-useful: software so elegantly
implemented it becomes an extension of the person using it.
As I blogged mid-last year [http://www.valuesofn.com/blog/2007/07...], "We programmers and engineers aren't so lucky as to find free-standing virtual marble blocks ready for the sculpting. We must first build up the marble block itself until it shows sufficient promise and only then start chipping away to reveal our product's true form." We built up that marble block in Stikkit and subsequently revealed what we believed to be our product's true form in Sandy.
We're honored that our work was recognized by the award-givers (SWSX award for Best Technical Achievement 2007 [http://www.valuesofn.com/blog/2007/03...] and Webware 100 award for Productivity [http://news.cnet.com/8301-13546_109-9...]), but we've been even more excited about the conversations we've had with our users [http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy], both directly and through our applications. So much energy and goodwill has come out of that exchange -- I will personally take that with me as one of the high points as CEO.
None of this would have been possible without an incredible cast of characters. Our investors made it all possible in the first place. Our board provided guidance, asked or answered difficult questions, and kicked our collective asses on just the right occasions. Our team of employees, consultants, and ad hoc barn-raisers infused all we did with a goodly mix of solid engineering, creativity, and fun. Our advisors shared their combined years of wisdom and experience. Our users have been a wellspring of positive energy and support -- even (and especially) when they ran into bugs; in particular, our "deputies," the volunteer user community leaders [http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy...], took up the slack and provided a helping hand to their peers. And our families and friends -- the unsung heroes of the startup life -- gave us the better part of three years to sink into our work and cheered us along every day.
Thank you to everyone who has made Values of n, Stikkit, and Sandy possible. It has been an honor to work with you and I look forward to continuing the conversation. You can find me at http://raelity.org (blog to be rebooted shortly) and http://twitter.com/rael.
Rael
Rael Dornfest
CEO, Values of n, Inc.
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
(?) When will Stikkit and I want Sandy go offline?
We will be shutting off our servers at close of business (5pm PST) on Monday December 8th, 2008.
(?) Where should I go for further information and help?
* I want Sandy: The best place to turn to for help with I want Sandy is our Get Satisfaction user-to-user forum at http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy.
* Stikkit: Visit the Stikkit discussion forums at http://community.valuesofn.com/stikkit.
If you can't seem to find what you're after on either of these two forums, please send email to help@valuesofn.com.
(?) How do I cancel my account?
If you'd like to explicitly cancel your account:
* I want Sandy: Point your browser at http://iwantsandy.com/cancel.
* Stikkit: Send email to help@valuesofn.com with the subject "Stikkit Cancellation" in the subject line and we'll cancel your account for you.
(?) Can I take my data with me?
But of course! Both Stikkit and I want Sandy provide RSS/Atom and iCalendar feeds of your data that can be downloaded to your computer (and then uploaded to/imported into any other desktop application or online service that supports these same standards.
* I want Sandy: Visit http://iwantsandy.com/help/feeds for information on I want Sandy's data feeds.
* Stikkit also has a programmatic interface -- the Stikkit API -- that provides more comprehensive access to your data, both directly and through one of the many third-party tools and applications built against it. Visit http://stikkit.com/api#feeds for details.
We will be providing some additional export functionality in the days to come should our users require anything beyond what is provided in these feeds.
(?) What services should we look at to take the place of Stikkit and/or Sandy?
We have been continuously impressed by the following calendar, to-do list, and notebook'ing services:
* Google Calendar: http://calendar.google.com
* Remember the Milk: http://rememberthemilk.com
* Backpack: http://backpackit.com
* PBWiki: http://pbwiki.com
(?) What will Sandy do now?
Sandy has not filled us in on her plans as yet, but we rather suspect she'll be taking a day or three off for some much deserved offline rest and relaxation -- and she won't be reachable by email ;-).
While the company and services will be shutting down, Stikkit and Sandy's DNA will live on; the intellectual property behind both has been acquired by Twitter, Inc [http://twitter.com]. While Twitter has no immediate plans to incorporate Sandy or Stikkit's feature sets into its core product, those who know our apps well may notice familiar-feeling bits and bobs appearing in your Twitter experience.
The third tine of this fork is me: I have taken an engineering position in the User Experience group at Twitter. I started consulting there a few months ago, and fell in love with the team, their way of thinking about things, and of course the product (my Twitter user id is in the low 100s). It turns out we worked incredibly well together, the feeling was mutual, and they pulled me in as a permanent member of the team.
I'm excited to continue building simple, engrossing products -- my favorite thing to do -- and to imbue my work with all I've learned over the last three years.
We are so proud of the technology we've created behind the scenes, the experience we've provided our users, and the sense of playfulness and suspension of disbelief we've managed to inject into personal productivity. When I look back at our statement of intent [http://valuesofn.com], I realize just how true we've been to what we set out to do and how we set out to do it:
Values of n brings an iconoclastic approach to social software design.
We're throwing out the well-worn assumptions about how applications are
supposed to work, and are instead paying attention to the clever ways in
which people have adapted software to fit their needs. These workarounds
usually contain the seeds of a better solution.
We always strive to move beyond software that's "cool" or feature-full to
software that's transparent and feature-useful: software so elegantly
implemented it becomes an extension of the person using it.
As I blogged mid-last year [http://www.valuesofn.com/blog/2007/07...], "We programmers and engineers aren't so lucky as to find free-standing virtual marble blocks ready for the sculpting. We must first build up the marble block itself until it shows sufficient promise and only then start chipping away to reveal our product's true form." We built up that marble block in Stikkit and subsequently revealed what we believed to be our product's true form in Sandy.
We're honored that our work was recognized by the award-givers (SWSX award for Best Technical Achievement 2007 [http://www.valuesofn.com/blog/2007/03...] and Webware 100 award for Productivity [http://news.cnet.com/8301-13546_109-9...]), but we've been even more excited about the conversations we've had with our users [http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy], both directly and through our applications. So much energy and goodwill has come out of that exchange -- I will personally take that with me as one of the high points as CEO.
None of this would have been possible without an incredible cast of characters. Our investors made it all possible in the first place. Our board provided guidance, asked or answered difficult questions, and kicked our collective asses on just the right occasions. Our team of employees, consultants, and ad hoc barn-raisers infused all we did with a goodly mix of solid engineering, creativity, and fun. Our advisors shared their combined years of wisdom and experience. Our users have been a wellspring of positive energy and support -- even (and especially) when they ran into bugs; in particular, our "deputies," the volunteer user community leaders [http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy...], took up the slack and provided a helping hand to their peers. And our families and friends -- the unsung heroes of the startup life -- gave us the better part of three years to sink into our work and cheered us along every day.
Thank you to everyone who has made Values of n, Stikkit, and Sandy possible. It has been an honor to work with you and I look forward to continuing the conversation. You can find me at http://raelity.org (blog to be rebooted shortly) and http://twitter.com/rael.
Rael
Rael Dornfest
CEO, Values of n, Inc.
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
(?) When will Stikkit and I want Sandy go offline?
We will be shutting off our servers at close of business (5pm PST) on Monday December 8th, 2008.
(?) Where should I go for further information and help?
* I want Sandy: The best place to turn to for help with I want Sandy is our Get Satisfaction user-to-user forum at http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy.
* Stikkit: Visit the Stikkit discussion forums at http://community.valuesofn.com/stikkit.
If you can't seem to find what you're after on either of these two forums, please send email to help@valuesofn.com.
(?) How do I cancel my account?
If you'd like to explicitly cancel your account:
* I want Sandy: Point your browser at http://iwantsandy.com/cancel.
* Stikkit: Send email to help@valuesofn.com with the subject "Stikkit Cancellation" in the subject line and we'll cancel your account for you.
(?) Can I take my data with me?
But of course! Both Stikkit and I want Sandy provide RSS/Atom and iCalendar feeds of your data that can be downloaded to your computer (and then uploaded to/imported into any other desktop application or online service that supports these same standards.
* I want Sandy: Visit http://iwantsandy.com/help/feeds for information on I want Sandy's data feeds.
* Stikkit also has a programmatic interface -- the Stikkit API -- that provides more comprehensive access to your data, both directly and through one of the many third-party tools and applications built against it. Visit http://stikkit.com/api#feeds for details.
We will be providing some additional export functionality in the days to come should our users require anything beyond what is provided in these feeds.
(?) What services should we look at to take the place of Stikkit and/or Sandy?
We have been continuously impressed by the following calendar, to-do list, and notebook'ing services:
* Google Calendar: http://calendar.google.com
* Remember the Milk: http://rememberthemilk.com
* Backpack: http://backpackit.com
* PBWiki: http://pbwiki.com
(?) What will Sandy do now?
Sandy has not filled us in on her plans as yet, but we rather suspect she'll be taking a day or three off for some much deserved offline rest and relaxation -- and she won't be reachable by email ;-).
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Inappropriate?Rael, it's been fun being an unofficial member of the Sandy team. I'm going to miss our weekly town halls as much as I'll miss Sandy herself.
Best of luck to you & the rest of the team at your new gigs!
I’m not sure what I'll do without her!
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Inappropriate?Best of luck, Rael, and thanks for all the tweets -- I look forward to seeing what's next!
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Inappropriate?Dave, I'm so thankful for all that you and Yeraze have done to help Sandy help others. Thank you, thank you!
Rael
I’m thankful
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Rael, Thanks for an app that was outside the box - it was fun and useful to me. To all those users complaining about the creator of an application improving his own fortunes, and shutting down an application you never paid for -- grow up. Free software is not an unalienable right -- no matter how useful. -
It's not that we're griping about losing something we never paid for... its that we're griping that we were never given an option to pay for it in order to keep it up and running, and to keep Rael well off enough to not need a job. Oh well, thanks Rael for putting together the export utility... I've pulled all my info, and it looks like everything is there. If there's any way you can twist Twitter's arm into kicking off an official return of Sandy (for a monthly fee)...
Thanks again for getting the export tool put together. It has helped me move on (literally and figuratively). -
Inappropriate?David,
If I'm detecting a "So long and thanks for all the fish" reference there, it is appreciated :-) (If not, then might I recommend a book you should read?)
Thanks for the kind words.
Rael -
Why, yes, you did decode that reference properly. I'll have to be more obscure in the future, perhaps by hiding the allusions at the bottom of the stairs behind the "Beware of the Leopard" sign. :-) -
Inappropriate?Hi Jim,
I'm sorry to have disappointed and appreciate how you must be feeling about this.
Thanks for taking the time to give Sandy a whirl: I do hope she was helpful to you and that you stumble across another system that works to keep you organized and productive.
Rael -
Actually Rael, I don't think you appreciate how I'm feeling. I did not just "give Sandy a whirl" I used her as much as I possibly could and have come to rely on the service to an increasing degree as it appeared more viable. It also appeared that you were relatively committed to developing it over time. If you had initiated a premium subsription option, this is the one web service I would have been overjoyed to pay for.
It seems I overestimated your commitment to the service and to those of us who you encouraged to use it.
Sandy was great. It was one of the few web services that actually did make me more organized and productive.
Eh, I don't even know what to say anymore. See ya. -
Hi Jim. I'm glad Sandy made such a difference in your life — in so many of our lives. I've lived and breathed this company, our products, and our incredibly thoughtful users for the past 3 years. It's difficult too for me to let it go. And so I do understand that you're upset and am not attempting to minimize that at all. I wish you well and thank you for caring so much about what we brought into being. —Rael -
Inappropriate?Hey Rael, now that you're shutting down the two services is there any chance we could get some juicy stats? How many users were registered, how much bandwidth was used on average, how many emails the services handled a day, or whatever else you can disclose without getting yourself in trouble :)
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Hi JeanMarc. I'll give that some thought. Right now I'm focusing on making this as smooth a process as possible for folks: updating the sites, adding notices where they're most likely to be seen, and working on some export tools. -
Maybe I've missed it (in that case point me in the right direction), but I really need those export tools. I am spending as much time as I can re-entering my information in another service (both Sandy & Stikkit), but I know I will not have it all done by the 8th. I happened to find this thread on Wednesday, then had to go away for the holiday. Now I have to go back to work...
I don't want to lose all the information I have put into Sandy & Stikkit. -
Inappropriate?Hi Rael,
Congrats on the new position.
I am however sad to see an end to iwantsandy. I found her perfect for my needs. Oh well, I might have to write my own now...
Trev
I’m sad.
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Trevor: Wanna get together and do an open source version together? -
Trevor: Wanna get together and do an open source version together? -
I've been thinking about this since the announcement was made and I don't think the guts of it would be too difficult. Especially if there were a few people to help out.
If you are interested, annaraven, or anyone for that matter, please send me an email/jabber me: tg@sarugo.net. -
I for one am more than glad to help in any way I can. Just sent you guys an email. -
Thanks, Trevor,
I've e-mailed you and would like to see others post here if they are interested in working on this. Even if you're not a coder, there is a lot you could contribute.
Since Trevor has offered to be a focal for this, please also contact him directly if you can help out. -
Emailed you Trevor... perhaps we should work with the "sandysback" group? -
Emailed you Trevor... perhaps we should work with the "sandysback" group? -
I'd like to pitch in. I sent Trevor an email - Robert G -
Hi All,
"Sandysback" and what annaraven and I are suggesting above are one and the same thing (thanks to Anna).
To see what we've been up to (and mostly this work is being done by others atm, not me!) have a look at these sites, and please get involved where you can.
A Google Code project: http://code.google.com/p/sandysback/
A Blog: http://sandysback.blogspot.com/
A Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/sandys...
An App Engine app: http://sandysback.appspot.com/
A domain: http://sandysback.com/
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Inappropriate?I can't believe you would just pull the plug on Sandy. So many people count on the service. Couldn't you have worked out some kind of agreement with the Twitter folks to at least keep the service alive even if you don't add new features/fixes etc??
You're really leaving a lot of people high and dry. If you treat your users like this now why should we trust you not to do the same again in the future?
I’m upset and disappointed.
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Hi JD. I just can't overstate how much time and effort it takes just to keep things behind a service like this running. Merely backing up, tending the servers, fixing bugs, and seeing — as much as is possible — to any urgent needs. -
Rael: Twitter bought the company. It would seem that it would be in their best interest to see you wind it down properly. -
Inappropriate?I agree it's a really crappy way to tell users "hey, sorry we talked you in to relying on us for a service - piss off". But....dems da breaks when you put all your eggs in a free web 2.0 basket.
Just remember when Twitter rolls out some new similar services not to go rushing off to give it a try - they could just as easily tell you to bend over if someone buys them out......
This is a perfect example of why people still spend money on software that they own and maintain. "In the cloud" doesn't in any way mean permanent. And, even better, your data is out there on a server disk, that may or may not be properly disposed of - and there isn't jack squat you can do about it.
A big lesson learned for me. I knew it was a possibility, but you always tell yourself it won't because these services are so useful......but, yes, it does happen.
I’m angry
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Hi Freeda. I'm sorry this is so disruptive to you and others. I know that every entrepreneur I know works incredibly hard (harder than even they could imagine possible) to create, develop, and maintain services like these. Some of them will succeed, many will not. Nevertheless, I've not met a single one yet who let it go lightly. I certainly didn't mean to give the impression that this was a decision taken lightly or without giving it all there was to give. -
Inappropriate?I'm a fair newcomer to the Sandy service, and I was using it to augment my use of Cultured Code's Things applications for Mac OS X and the iPhone, so I'm not too heartbroken over this announcement. I already have an escape route of sorts.
And what really attracted me to Sandy was the ability to get reminders through Twitter; I thought the Twitter interface for setting/getting reminders worked better for me than email as I'm always fighting my email inbox anyway. So I'm hoping that Twitter can integrate some of Sandy's features without losing it's own simplicity.
That said, this seems really harsh. Maybe it's the Thanksgiving holiday and the oncoming seasonal end of year rush that follows, but it feels like things are going to get shuttered off rather quickly. It would have been kinder to the long standing users of the service to wait until after the holidays to shut things down. But I guess Sandy is just giving her "two weeks notice".
Good luck to you Rael, and good luck to everyone else finding alternative services!
I’m happy for Rael, but sad for Sandy for now...
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Hi Raven. I've come upon a fair number of small pieces loosely joined (to borrow from David Weinberger) that are just awesome. They're small, single-purpose, simple apps that provide some similar or at least tangentially-related functionality. Since you're a Twitter user, you might try http://twitter.com/timer. Things, as you mentioned, has done a wonderful job on their iPhone app. Backpack provides a great place for storing odds and ends (and they do reminders too). If you've not already checked them out, I highly recommend Merlin Mann's 43 Folders [http://43folders.com] and Gina Trapani's Lifehacker [http://lifehacker.com/] sites for some great insights into productivity and some of the tools you can string together to do better than what some of the bigger 110% solutions (only providing you 10-20-30% of the functionality you need) do. -
Inappropriate?Needless to say I'm not thrilled. Yes it's free, etc etc, but right now this makes me think less of twitter and sandy, two services I enjoy very much. If sandy cost 10 or 20 a month I'd gladly pay. This feels like the wrong direction.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?Bye Sandy, I hope you have a nice extended holiday!
I very much look forward to seeing your influence in the future when you start working inside Twitter.
Bon voyage!
Drew Robinson (sometime Sandy user)
I’m unsure, but hopeful.
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Inappropriate?Wow. I am a Sandy Super-fan that found it perfect for me. The best productivity system I had found; ever. Our office affectionately referred to Sandy as though she were real. We'd praise her, blame things on her... you know.
In any case, I am very interested in what other options people suggest to replicate Sandy's work ethic and ease of use!
Great and inventive service. Having trouble anticipating how to cope.
Any recommendations?
Kudo's to all...
I’m grateful and hopeful
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Hi brischmidty! There was seldom a week that went by without Sandy coming up in conversation in such a way as to confuse (and then delight) passers-by. I intend to reboot my blog (it went by the wayside when I started the company) and share some of the things I and you have learned along the way in the hopes that it might help people pull together a system that's just right for them or indeed try their hand at building one that would make Sandy proud. -
Inappropriate?Wow, it looks like even Sandy has not escaped the effects of the economic downturn. I hope she will find work elsewhere. Sandy is out of a job.
I’m silly
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Inappropriate?Congratulations, Rael, and best of luck with the new job. Maybe you'll come by and play some chess with me at the Get Satisfaction HQ. We're just 'round the corner from Twitter HQ.
I’m sure you'll make waves in the new job
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Inappropriate?Hi Thor!
A spot of chess (how'd you know I played anyway?) would be grand. And your new GS HQ is the HQ formerly known as Twitter HQ, if memory serves?
Many thanks to you and the rest of the Get Satisfaction crew for affording us a place to hold the conversation.
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Inappropriate?Just curious, would you ever be willing to sell off I Want Sandy and Stikkit to an interested suitor? Not that I, personally, have the money, but I'm sure there's people who would be interested in buying them and the technology behind them.
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Inappropriate?Our (sandy followers) loss is our (twitter users) gain.
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Inappropriate?This information might have been something that Sandy could have sent out. I have only heard about this from other sites who may or may not be chuckling about the demise of One More Big Idea.
Maybe Sandy can start sending reminders to users who aren't immersed in the blogosphere?
I’m irritated.
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Agreed. I found out from my husband who read it on one of his blogs. Sandy could have sent it out to me instead of me having to go looking for the information... -
Hi Paul and Annaraven. You're absolutely right, and that's why Sandy just tweeted about the announcement, we've now got a banner up on every page of the site, and as soon as I finish testing my most recent batch of changes (in the coming minutes), Sandy will be mentioning it at the top of every outgoing reply, reminder, and digest. -
You've totally missed the point - it needs to be PROACTIVE ... send out an email FROM Sandy regardless of level of usage. Otherwise the casual users get no notice... -
Agreed - as a UK user - Twitter has already stuck two fingers up at us long ago - and so the first I heard of this was todays email - hardly much notice :-(
Rael - whilst I agree that we can't expect much from a free service I would have thought a note saying "Sandy has been taken over by Twitter but everythings continuing as before" wouldn't have been too hard. Then Twitter could have slowly migrated us over to their new service.
I for one won't trust or use anything with Twitters name attached to it ever again - their customer service and loyalty stinks :-( -
Agreed - as a UK user - Twitter has already stuck two fingers up at us long ago - and so the first I heard of this was todays email - hardly much notice :-(
Rael - whilst I agree that we can't expect much from a free service I would have thought a note saying "Sandy has been taken over by Twitter but everythings continuing as before" wouldn't have been too hard. Then Twitter could have slowly migrated us over to their new service.
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Inappropriate?I'm so glad that we were all able to contribute so much value to you so that you could be acquired, and shut down that which we contributed so much value. Thanks for nothing.
I’m very angry.
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Completely agree with this summary. And two weeks' notice before you pull the plug on all my long-term and future-dated reminders? Are you insane? This is shocking. -
I concur! I must admit to feeling a little bit 'used' in this case. Please Rael, don't ever advertise another 'free' service which is supposed to change people's lives...you broke the trust, man... -
Inappropriate?While I appreciate the advance notice via GetSatisfaction of Sandy's retirement (and she'll surely be missed), I should point out that Sandy's website does not mention this fact, and appears to still be accepting signups. Just my 2 cents.
I’m annoyed
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Hi Quasihellfish (great name, by the way). The site now has a banner emblazoned across it pointing at the announcement. And all outgoing email messages from Sandy mention it right up front. I'm on my way to Stikkit to do the same now. -
Inappropriate?Sorry to see Sandy go, Rael. We've really enjoyed having her community interact here on Get Satisfaction. However, we're excited for your next chapter. Congrats on the Twitter gig and best of luck! We'll look forward to seeing you around the 'hood and the GS HQ whenever you want to pop by.
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Inappropriate?I just cancelled my Sandy account, as I don't want to get any more Daily Digests. No sense in relying on that anymore.
I’m profoundly disappointed.
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Inappropriate?I just signed up for an account an spent half an hour setting it up before I decided to visit the user forums for more tips and found out the service is disappearing. That information needs to be on the home page. When I signed up for an account that information should have come in the auto-reply message. I do Want Sandy. It seemed like exactly what I've been looking for. It baffles me that this service won't continue to exist, perhaps bearing a Twitter logo, for a period of time until Twitter decides to integrate features and a friendly email arrives with a link to port your account to Twitter.
I’m sad, frustrated
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Inappropriate?2 weeks notice? Are you kidding me? And, what, you're relying on people to stumble across this notification on this one website, while the Sandy emails say nothing (and you're still accepting sign-ups). Look, Sandy is/was a great service, but as someone who caries a "CEO" title, your customer relationship skills need some polish...
I’m mad as hell
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Hi Wayne. My fault entirely not having added the banners to the site and email messages and not having disabled the signup (all now done for Sandy and just about to be for Stikkit). -
Inappropriate?I am very disappointed to loose a service I came to enjoy and rely on.
I think you send a bad message to those of us who trusted you were building something for the future and not something you would throw away when opportunity served.
Twitter, I am likewise shocked at the ruthless nature of your decision.
Trust is earned and all involved here have breached that trust to some degree.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?Sandy will send out a message in the next few days with more information. I believe Rael is waiting until the Data export procedures are online.
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I can understand that Rael would want that feature in place first, but I imagine there are many, many users who do not know that Sandy is going, and the longer it takes to fully announce to everyone what is going on, the shorter the time will be to the December 8th shutdown. I already think two weeks is barely sufficient time for those who depend on the service, but let's say the full announcement goes out next Monday -- that's only a week then. At the very least, the closing date should be pushed out. Whenever the full info goes on Sandy's homepage and emailed, that's when the clock should start.
As I mentioned in an earlier message, this doesn't affect me personally, I'm advocating this for the people who heavily use Sandy and rely on it, who are most likely mostly interacting with Sandy by email and have no idea what is going on. -
Hi Raven. Sandy is now pointing to the announcement in every outgoing message (replies, reminders, digests, etc). Sandy also just tweeted the same thing for those who don't use email all that much, talking to Sandy via Twitter instead. That should cover any active clients of Sandy's (and Stikkit's shortly). -
Inappropriate?gopingme at http://gopingme.com is very close in functionality to I Want Sandy. It's my pick for an alternative service.
I’m amused
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Inappropriate?It gets worse the more I hear. There may be an upgrade or migration path but not until after the lights-out date is announced, allowing users of all stripes just one week to figure out what to do next, in a post-Sandy world?
If I was Twitter, I would be having some buyer's remorse right about now. Buying a big sack of bad karma in the form of alienated former customers is probably not what they had in mind. I just dropped my account there as I never use it and I am going to take a hard look at free services from here on out. If you don't owe them anything, nor do they owe you. A hard lesson, but worth learning. -
Inappropriate?Rael, I think you've made a big stuff up. Despite how you frame it, this is a career lowlight for you.
When you read the hundreds of complaints you're going to receive, I do hope it gives you pause for thought. You seem like a lovely guy, but it's obvious you're blinkered to something extremely important. Now's the time to get clued in to what you're missing.
Whether or not people should put their trust in a free, web-based application, the fact is they do and they did in Sandy. What's more, you know they did. You have betrayed that trust.
I already pay for a Remember the Milk subscription and would have gladly done the same for Sandy. Yes, I would have paid for both because Sandy offered something unique.
As an Australian, I've already been shafted by Twitter when the text messaging service was shut down here with little warning so I don't share in the enthusiasm for your move.
Rael, thank you for Sandy. I do wish you every success for the future but on one condition: you learn the few home truths you're currently blind to.
If, however, you remain as blinkered in the future as you are now, then I hope you *don't* make it big again. The people who have contributed to your success don't deserve to be shafted a second time.
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Agree 100%. And Rael, reread your post and count how many "we's" and "I"'s there are, and reflect on the general self congratulatory tone. Then when your "official" announcement is sent out, perhaps it will be a little less sanctimonious, and focus more on your thousands of users and what steps they can take to untangle themselves from this mess... -
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Inappropriate?It might be free, but you are breaking an implicit promise that you made when you ask people to depend on your service. If you going to shut it down, three to six months notice would have been the minimum I would have considered "reasonable" for a shut down like this given how much people depend on these services (and how few alternatives there really are) two weeks is utterly insane (and as others have noted, a random blog post does not really count as an official announcement, I'm sure most Sandy users are not even aware of this yet).
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Inappropriate?I am sorry to say that these boards will most likely be taken down soon and all these comments won't make any difference while Rael is playing chess with Thor. Rael is moving on to twitter and no matter how unhappy you may be ... taking the time to construct passionate dissent about the transition won't change that if you are under the impression it will.
If you or i were moving to Twitter who knows if we would not be in the same place. If Rael is as bad as some of you say he is then he really won't care what you think of him and his decision. The most pertinent question at hand is "What is the next action" or alternative at this point.
I Want Sandy is being taken over by TWITTER. if you look at audience size I think Twitter has more say about what happens with I Want Sandy than Sandy customers do. I am not saying it's right and I am not saying it's wrong and you can hate me for saying so.
I figure some thought has gone into what to do with I Want Sandy before this cam down and unhappy customers is collateral damage that was factored in to this choice. It is business and it may not be fair but it's business. Sandy is a bot not a real person. I'll also let you know she has no say in the matter either if that is comforting to those of you who have grown emotionally attached.
Anybody grab the domain name Iwantsandyback.com for more customer dissent opportunities.
Trust No One.
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Inappropriate?Sandy was such an integral part of my daily routine. My whole workgroup relies on her.
She was a service I would easily pay for.
F•••.
Frak.
Frell.
I hate Twitter a little bit now for shuttering these doors.
I’m devastated
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Inappropriate?I'm looking at Google calendar again. Now with Quick Add, + Dial2do its looking quite promising
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Inappropriate?The more I think about this, the angrier I become. This one move has taken the whole Web 2.0 movement backwards several years. Congratulations Twitter - you have made life hard for every other provider of web based tools to gain the user's trust.
Congratulations Rael and the team - I am truly glad that you feel you are doing well, but it shouldn't have come at the cost of hosing down your loyal user base.
I’m very upset
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Inappropriate?Yes, it's a free service, but the users were certainly a part of Sandy's success. Shutting it down and giving a 2 week notice is the height of arrogance.
Thanks for nothing Rael. Remember, karma is a ...
I’m angry.
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Inappropriate?In the last 30 minutes or so a banner has appeared on the Snady page indicating service is shutting down Dec 8.
So the "man who doesn't care" may be reading this and doing the minimum possible.
Still.
Still totally inadequate notice.
FAIL.
I’m amazed that someone will trash their own reputation in the market by not providing a proper transition period and migration option. Customer Satisfaction at Twitter gets a new tarnish as well as they own the product.
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Inappropriate?Wow.. I think the visceral outlashes here are a bit excessive. I understand that 2 weeks is a short time for transition, but given that Sandy is a Free Service that Rael developed on his own (He is the sole developer of the Product) I think he's done a fine job. Given that Stikkit/IWS product absolutely no revenue for Rael and he's funding the server maintenance costs out of his own pocket, I think a 2 week period is more than we should even expect.
As the IP is transitioning to a significantly larger entity (Twitter), it's definitely possible that IWS will be back within a matter of days/weeks once it's finished transitioning from Rael's hosting to Twitter's internal servers. We simply don't know what Twitter's intentions are.
Rael has done a fine job of developing a product that lots of people love and care about, and one thing the Internet is good at is keeping ideas alive. Even if Twitter doesn't care to stand IWS back up, Rael has proven that the concept is technically possible and realistically productive and desirable. That alone will be enough for someone to take the idea (Twitter, RTM, or some other unknown) and bring it back. -
Excuse me but no.
I found out yesterday by hearsay. It appears that Rael only updated the website due to the outcry here.
I am on vacation from tomorrow. If I hadn't found out I wouldn't even have had a chance to recover at all.
As it is I'm using my valuable time squeezing an attempt at recovery tonight.
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You allude to a transition, but we have no idea if there is one planned or what will be available. It's weak to complain that it is costing Rael money when there has never been any move to make it pay its way.
If there are some plans for a transition or re-launch of the service, it would be useful to mention that as part of the announcement. But my guess is there are no such plans.
You have to remember that you can't buy this kind of engagement with a service: if it happens, you would do well not to screw it up. One person's passionate outburst is someone else's hysterical rant, after all. -
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Yeraze, I agree with you that Rael has done an outstanding job with the Iwantsandy service. My biggest problem with this whole episode is that this service was always promoted as being a tool to let us 'focus on what's important', 'remember it all', 'stay organised' etc. as per the website. It has become an important tool in most people's day to day lives. Now you are saying that you will be taking the whole thing out the back and putting a bullet in it within a few days, this is a massive slap in the face to all your users.
I just don't see the business sense in taking something with a thriving community and user base and sharp branding, and then amalgamating it with another company who has no idea what they are going to do with it.
I am astounded that Rael didnt simply sell the IP for Iwantsandy to another web 2.0 firm - perhaps Remember The Milk or 37signals could have taken the service over, turned it into a paying service and kept all the goodwill and trust.
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Yeraze,
I just spent three weeks inputting reminders, and tasks into Sandy, you're darn right I'm having a visceral reaction. Sandy was meant to be a trusted system. My data was meant to be safe and I was meant to be able to rely on the reminders. Instead I get a weird smug self-congratulatory email with jokes about Sandy taking a vacation where there should be apologies for a sudden end-to-service.
And selling the IP to Twitter but not insisting that Twitter make an announcement about what they will do with the IP once the transition is over? Stunningly unprofessional on all sides. When google buys companies at least they have the temerity to avoid an interruption in service! -
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Inappropriate?With a free Web 2.0 application, it's reasonable to say "we can't do this for free anymore, it's going fee, and we'll see if that's enough to keep the doors open". There are, after all costs of hosting.
That said, it's a full shutdown with less than two weeks notice (It's Nov 25th and I was just informed via a twitter from Sandy).
That's just silly, Rael. Why would you agree to let Twitter shut you down so very quickly, when so many people use the service in their daily life?
This certainly is a poor reflection on those who would develop new services and hope that "the community" adopts them. Why should we bother, if we're just going to get dumped when you get some $$$ waved in front of you?
I’m disappointed in you
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Inappropriate?I'll remember the details so you can focus on what's important, like remembering that the lady that remembers all of your details is going to vanish from the face of the Earth in less than two weeks.
Life moves too fast for your calendar...but I hope you still have a calendar, because you should probably start physically writing things on it again...
I’m in denial. And WTF'd.
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Inappropriate?I'm sad to see Sandy go, I enjoyed her and got to depend on her. However, I understand that you have to go where life leads you. Good luck!
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Inappropriate?Well, the comments about Rael only posting more information in response to the outcry here are a bit incorrect. Rael's plan was always to spend today/tonight working on that very issue, and in fact is making good progress:
* Export is coming along
* A banner is now on the website
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Inappropriate?This sucks, I only recently started using IWantSandy about 3-4 months back - now it's closing and I find myself looking for an alternative that simply doesn't exist.
I'm a member of twitter, but twitter has and most likely will not offer the I Want Sandy service - instead they may use it to let people email twittered messages to each other by date, so that you can send a message to x user 10 days from now. But there won't be a way to remind people or to send a message to yourself, I mean if they do that - it'll be strictly a twitter message not an email :(
Google calendar is ok, but it doesn't really beat the integration of I Want Sandy. If it was a money problem, I could help out - it would be easy to monetize I Want Sandy..I mean sell a few links on the site and attached to emails sent out.
I'll try rememberthemillk, hopefully it has email integration. So long and thanks for all the fish
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Inappropriate?This just proves that Web 2.0's "Free, free free" mantra can't hold out, especially in this economy. I have a feeling Rael likely said "Screw this, I need a job" (though really, is Twitter going to be the most stable job choice, with no revenue plan so to speak, and tons of staff changes?).
It sucks, and I'm scrambling to replace this, but now, I'm starting to think that after seeing this debacle, I may go back to pen and paper, or simply stick with big companies like Google or Microsoft, and never trust "the little guy" to launch something again.
If it was financially driven, it would have been nice to have at least been given the option to pay for a service. So with Rael's team saying "He did it out of his pocket, paid the server expenses, etc."...well of course he did, but did he ever think of asking? Was he afraid we'd run in fear of a $5/month fee, calling him a sellout? Can't possibly be any worse than the fact that anything he creates for any company in the future will carry a taint of distrust from the thousands of Sandy and Stickkit users he screwed without so much as a shot at an alternative.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?Oh, and from a PR/Marketing perspective, I would highly suggest Twitter never put Rael's name out their products as "Developed by the people behind such popular apps as..." because you know the people here who got burned are going to just fill those news postings with angry comments. Won't matter how awesome the app is (and I honestly trust that his work will be amazing), the anger shown here will easily be passed along to future projects. Sad to say, but true.
I’m neutral
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Absolutely true.
Also consider the fact that Twitter bought the company - and is taking Rael as employee. Twitter could have funded a transition period and export facility if their reputation was important to them... it became their problem when they bought the company. It would appear they don't care about users either, they don't care about Rael's reputation, and they don't care about their corporate reputation it appears. -
Inappropriate?Mixed feelings about the changes. Sorry to see you go, but more Voodoo Donuts for me when I'm in pdx.
I’m ambivalent
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Inappropriate?I have spent so much time turning people on to Sandy and extolling its virtues. I feel kind of like an idiot now.
Even worse I had ADHD and found Sandy one of the few things to help me stay on top of things and organized at school. It took so long to adjust my life to sandy but it finally worked for me and I started to see some real success.
This is terrible, and it happens right before finals week. I know this sounds ridiculous but I feel like I am going to cry.
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Well I more wanted to cry because of the complete meltdown that is looming during finals week when I am adrift without my remonder/todo list service.
I am hoping that i can jump into remember the milk as a stop gap, as much as I don't like it.
I take part in the disability services program at my University (for other people with ADD and Dyslexia) and have been touting Sandy like mad. i will have to tell people to pump the breaks. I worry people got turned on to it and are going through what I am. -
Inappropriate?I am really sad about I Want Sandy shutting down. While there are other reminder services, I really like the simplicity of using Sandy's real language input. I am largely turned off by all the keywords and formatting many other services require. Also, most to-do services don't allow you to simply store something such as "Remember boyfriend's favorite color is red." That's not something you are going to-do, nor does it have a due date. I can only hope that another service develops such functionality.
I’m sad
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Inappropriate?Rael:
I see you are now responding to comments left here.
Thank-you for that little bit of consideration.
Now get it right and put the transition system in place for those who won't be able to access it from tomorrow on.
I’m still wondering why Twitter doesn't care even if Rael has jumped the shark.
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Inappropriate?So I want Sandy will not print pages from the archive?
What's with that.
My one chance to get my stuff and it doesn't work.
I’m confident that pain is part of the bigger plan
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Inappropriate?Shall I stop unachieving then?
I had just gone through and achieved everything so I could get it all in one spot and have just finished unachieving the first screen page when I saw your reply above. -
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Looks like a timing/sync issue as your comment re my last post wasn't there when I posted the above (despite the time stamps shown) ...
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Inappropriate?This is a punch in the gut. And I`ve only been using Sandy for a year. I can`t imagine what a mess this will be for people who have been around from the beginning. And only 2 weeks? at this time of year?
I’m winded
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Inappropriate?That's just great. Now, during the HOLIDAY SEASON, I have to find time to migrate my data to some other place. I came to rely on it to organize my life. My web browser opens to the home page. I used Twitterfox to update. I had messages sent to my cell for reminders. The feed goes into my iCal at home.
I know it's a free service, but I bought into the value of the services you offered, and in doing so, we contributed to Sandy's growth. And what do we get for it? Good bye and good luck. From now on, I'll only consider pay services; at least I know they'll try to stay in business, not just polish their resume, get a better job, and move on.
I’m feeling betrayed and furious.
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Inappropriate?rael, good on you. I wish you all well. all these people complaining need to get over themselves. you can't please all of the people all of the time. you don't owe any of us a thing. go make Twitter awesome. (I am a longtime user of sandy)
I’m fine with this decision
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Inappropriate?Hi Rael,
I'm not going to get into a discussion on the value and longevity of free online services - your business (and life) decisions are your own but I do wish you the best of luck.
I would like to point out though that when I received the Tweet I thought you were announcing a temporary offline event, rather than the 'forever and ever' death of our Sandy. I had the same impression when I just visited the website to cancel my account.
Could I suggest a re-tweet with a more final message, and a slight change to the banner on the website? I almost didn't click the link in my tweet due to thinking you were announcing a temporary outage.
'Sandy will be going offline on December 8th, 2008' should perhaps be something like 'Sandy has given her notice and won't be helping you anymore from December 8th 2008'. The first way makes me immediately think she will be back, bright eyed and bushy tailed on the 9th.
Cheers.
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Inappropriate?Hi folks.
Just a quick update: Stikkit now has the same banner on every page of its site and message in its emails as Sandy does.
I'll be updating the wording and the banner to include any further information as I finish writing up export instructions, adding links, etc.
Thanks for your patience, taking the time to share your thoughts, and for suggesting things that may help other folks.
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Thank you for all you have done so far and all the best. I can't imagine the kind of ribbing you'll get about all this at that other place. You killed the electric grandmother except in this case it is not the grandmother in "I sing the body electric" It is a personal assistant called Sandy. -
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Inappropriate?Hello all!
I too am completely crushed and frustrated by this. I've been looking around online for a similar service, and it looks like KeepUp is the winner, at www.gottakeepup.com. Just passing along info! -
gottakeepup on my link spam. Just kidding. www.gopingme.com takes email sms commands. I wish they weren't free so I can make money by recommending them. Darn. -
Inappropriate?Hello all!
I too am completely crushed and frustrated by this. I've been looking around online for a similar service, and it looks like KeepUp is the winner, at www.gottakeepup.com. Just passing along info! -
Inappropriate?Ok reading some of the messages I have to say this: it sucks but we'll have to get over it.
People realize you didn't pay for the service, and as such you have no ground to make suck qualms - as thanks for nothing. The fact that people are here complaining is proof that I Want Sandy actually did good, in that it provided a great service. As someone who has experience giving out services for free - I can tell you that it's no easy chore, but so far i've yet to have to close any of my free services down because of planning.
It's too little too late now, but I hope that someday a service will arise as good as yours. Right now I'm using Google Calendar with integration into GMail which isn't all that great since you can't send an email and have it remember, but still it works.
Also I'm going to try don't forget the milk - which is supposed to be really good.
Anyways so long I Want Sandy, thanks for all the fish
Mobile Answers My World Today
Good luck at twitter Rael, I know some of the guys there so will look forward to checking in on what's going on, although I've been working with a few to get some kinks rolled out of a bug with my twitter account that continues to this day and just can't be worked out - so do contact me if you think you could help prod them with a stick on that one. -
Inappropriate?I just learned about Sandy shutting down about 20 minutes ago. None of my reminders received on Tuesday had any information about Sandy shutting down. Nor has an alert been sent to all email addresses of accounts.
If the service is to shut down in 2 weeks (several of those days being travel days/holidays for people in the US, I think communication needs to be a whole lot clearer and instantaneous.
Send out daily alerts describing what will happen to the service, and I think it would be a good idea - if you can - to hold off shutting down until January. It would give a lot of us extra time to figure out what we should keep and what we should toss.
Finally, I'm very disappointed that the service is shutting down and I'm disappointed that it was communicated in this manner. Life Goes On, but I don't feel good about it.
I’m disappointed and frustrated and angry.
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Inappropriate?I've found Sandy to be a very useful organizational tool. I think it stinks the service will be stopping so soon, especially because of the transition I will have to make. It won't be too terrible, just a bit of extra work.
The best route would be to consider why all of these users are feeling betrayed, angry, or at the very least, annoyed. They've invested into Sandy and will now have to try some variation in what they have been using. In gist, users are losing their time.
I think in a situation such as this, you should consider the possibilities. Surely I don't know what the terms are to your deal @ Twitter, but I think setting up a parallel service on Sandy where you offer a premium experience for power/business users who are willing to pay a yearly fee would be a decent solution for those already invested and sold on the idea of Sandy.
Starting now all of your users are jumping ship and will start getting comfy with some other service out there. If you do have any aspirations to continue Sandy, I would strongly suggest making any plans well-known.
Obviously I don't know what your numbers are. I would imagine you have already considered what else you could do, but I figured throwing out ideas might not hurt...
P.S. My suggestion for alternatives are deadlineapp.com & Zenbe.com
I’m indifferent
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Inappropriate?Well, I've now just finished the process of archiving everything and then printing a hard copy of the works so I have a hard copy of everything (I think)
Unfortunately I've have lost any context information that was included in the notes. I found this especially useful when I cc. Sandy on email. - and while I'm disappointed in this it is minor - I still have the emails - compared to the outright anger I would have felt if I didn't have any record of to-dos (done or incomplete) and the time records (for project tracking purposes that I had accumulated).
Rael:
I understand the vagaries of business, the trials and tribulations of being the CEO of a software company and/or startup (a couple of each under my belt) and that it is no easy task to manage in good or bad times.
I recognize that it certainly can be a gut wrenching decision to leave whether going to a better opportunity, because everything you set out to do was accomplished, or even if a result of the business failing or just not getting enough traction quickly enough - so I'll thank you for working late to give the "print fix" earlier to night, and hope that the move to Twitter brings everything you hope.
With that said, I do want to close by just giving you a feeling of where my own disappointment (well yes, anger) came from:
1) receiving the information by gossip when you could have given it to us directly through the service itself. This was extremely poor business practice in my opinion, not all businesses can update each individual company directly - yours could.
2) The lack of adequate notice period - I'm not sure how many people are impacted in all, but you do seem to be trying to take care of most of them - but you seem to have been oblivious that the time frame for notice was just TOO SHORT. For anyone on vacation or going on vacation before you have migration in place there is no alternative given. I had enough time to move everything to archive (so I could have it all in one place) and print each page to get at least a hard copy. One more day later in your announcement and I would have found I'd lost everything on my return. To me this is a massive fail in customer relations - I hope that not too many have been impacted.
3) I originally heard you had sold the company to Twitter from the comments on it and other communities. On reading your post above it seems they bought the Intellectual Property only not the company, but I still think you could have done a better job in getting their support for the transition time and are accountable for the inadequate transfer - also, someone in your new organization should have realized they could get GOOD buzz from an orderly, timely shutdown and insisted it be part of the deal in you moving across.
I'm sorry to see the product go... I did a lot of searching before deciding on your product and none of the alternatives completely cover the utility it provided me. Good luck moving forward.
I’m moving on.
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Inappropriate?Oh well... It was kinda fun while it lasted. Just another reinforcement of my tenet to NOT rely on any free applications. This is why I purchase my software!
Thanks Rael.
Jim
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Inappropriate?I am very angry about this, it is a backward step and damages the reputation of all web services. This could have been handled better, but hearing that Twitter is behind this does not surprise me, they care very little about customers feelings and requirements, and seem to be in business purely for their own ends. They cancellled SMS and IM to the UK from their systems with a similar cavalier abandon. I am withdrawing from using web services as a result of this and concentrating on building up my own infrastructure again. Thanks mate.
I’m cross,angry
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Inappropriate?Pretty rubbish. Twitter already p*ssed on me by stopping European SMS alerts. Now no more Sandy. Back to paper and pencil for me I think.
By the way, I generally don't open my emails from Sandy as the subject contains all the information I need (and neither do I visit the website or receive tweets [thanks again Twitter]). If I hadn't opened one by chance today I wouldn't have seen the rather vaguely worded message. You need to alert people in the subject line and make it clear in one sentence that you are buggering off and closing the whole thing down for good.
I’m hacked off
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Inappropriate?you have no idea how sad i am at this news. sandy was my life! i don't think u understand how much i loooooooooove sandy!!!
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Inappropriate?Trying to Kill all the data in my account was a little reminiscent of a line from Hotel California -
"The stab it with their steely knives,
But they just cant kill the beast"
Must be some very interesting data structures in there....
At any rate I seemed to be able to finally kill all the records in all their incarnations, get rid of the tags, links to Jott and Twitter, reset the link to my iCal supplier, kill the new iCal connection just to be sure, change as much personally recognizable information as the system would allow, and finally cancel the I Want Sandy service itself.
As you sold the IP of the company only, I trust that in keeping with your privacy policy you have not rented, sold, or shared my personal information with other people or non-affiliated companies including Twitter and that you will ensure that the content of records I had sent to Sandy that you had "stored indefinitely" are secured or preferably destroyed.
I’m gone.
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Inappropriate?i'm an outsider who got routed here
more or less accidentally, which
means you might appreciate my
objectivity concerning the situation.
rael, you need to let people continue
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Inappropriate?To: Sandy
How COULD you?!
Sure, I made a slightly improper pass at you that one time when we were both working late, but can you honestly say it was all THAT unwelcome? I mean, I didn't buy your "blush" for a second, the whole "innocent" thing is a bad act.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet you've got juicy dirt on me and everyone else you supported, and your so-called "future endeavors" will no doubt entail bilking every drop of after-market value from your carefully gathered trove of trusted tidbits. I suspected you were working that angle from the start, but I guess you reached critical mass and can now retire on the dividends, eh?
The token two weeks notice hardly makes up for the fact that any committed assistant would hired her own replacement, or at LEAST arranged for a temp! If you hope to salvage your reputation, you'll reconsider and stay on through the end of the year, or I promise to make a point of spreading the truth about your amateurish departure!
Adieu,
Tommy Tuesday
p.s. remind me tomorrow to spread the truth about you (as needed) @todo
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Inappropriate?Congratulation for your decision. I wish you luck in your new path.
As a newbie of “I want Sandy” I am not as disturbed as many other users but I admit I have been shocked by your “two weeks notice”.
I would have been less shocked by something saying:
“We cannot continue this service as it is. We can’t release it as open source. Twitter, the new owner, is OK to continue the service as it is but for a monthly fee per user.
We’ve calculated our best fair price and it’s xxx per month. If within a month we can find this support we promise to maintain the service for x years. If not we will have to close down. Are you with us?”
The fact that Twitter will integrate this service within their features is not as appealing as the service itself because a lot of Twitter users are not Sandy users and vice-versa.
As you are a user experience professional and highly respected, I am a bit surprised by this blow to your users.
Nonetheless, and maybe more importantly, this diminish my trust to Twitter itself. What next? Facebroke buying them?
Anyway, we all learn by mistakes so you still have an edge :-)
Kind regards and once again I wish you good success.
Thibault
I’m shocked
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Inappropriate?I've not used Sandy, but Rael, this inspired me to write a post talking about the impact that shuttering a cloud service people have come to trust and love has on the community at large:
http://www.htmlist.com/rants/trusting-in-the-cloud-the-fallout-when-web-20-apps-disappear/
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Inappropriate?Hey, Rael, I wanted to chime in and say thanks for making a pretty spectacular service. Too bad it couldn't go on forever, but I mean... it was a free web app. This kind of thing happens, and as far as I can tell, you don't owe me or any of the hyperventilators in this thread anything since Sandy gave us a sweet to-do app for a couple years, and we gave you.... well, nothing. 2 weeks is pretty short, but again, you don't have any obligation, really, to do anything further.
Anyway, good luck at Twitter! Congratulations! Don't let these bums get you down.
I’m surprisingly emotionally upset about missing Sandy. Is that something to be concerned about?
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Inappropriate?Sad day for me... I rely on Sandy quite a bit... Not happy at all.
I’m sad and pissed
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Inappropriate?What a huge disappointment. I do have to say thanks for providing the only reminder service I have ever used that actually worked - you saved me countless appointments.
I understand it's your intellectual property and you can do whatever you want with it, but leaving all your users high and dry like this is a shame.
Not to mention I have to question the decision to ditch software you could easily have charged for to go work for a company without a revenue model.
To: Sandy
Subject: Remind me that relying on a free service and expecting it to stay around is a stupid thing to do.
I grudgingly wish you good luck as you're obviously a talented guide, and hopes that Sandy makes a reappearance under the umbrella of Twitter or as someone else's creation.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?While not a use of the Sandy service, I certainly gave it a try a while back. It just wasn't a fit for me, but still looked like a great service, well built and promoted, with a lot of promise.
I agree with the prevailing sentiment that the way you've handled this "new opportunity" is quite unprofessional and shines a very bad light on not only entrepreneurship but also web services in general.
I suppose it's you're career and if you want to take your toys over to someone else's house you have every right, but where is "responsibility" in all this. Two week's notice is fine for corporate drones, but when you're providing a service that people count on that you've used every tactic you know to get them to adopt, love and rely on - well, that just seems unprofessional, even childish.
I read what you say about the cost and effort to maintain an online technology service. Tell us something we don't know. Every business has costs to maintain it, and to hang your hat on that as a justification for moving on comes off sounding like a ruse and you really didn't want to tell us the real story. Were you bleeding cash and saw no investments coming in? Was adoption slower than you had hoped? Were things just not playing out as you had hoped? Then suck it up and be honest with us. If not, and things were going great but you just decided you'd rather do something else, then be a grownup and find someone else to run the company.
Sounds to me like you got a back-door offer from Twitter that included your technology and instead of do the right thing to your users, you took care of yourself.
Shame on you.
I’m disappointed
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Inappropriate?Hi Rael
I understand we all live in the real world too. It's good knowing Sandy's DNA is living on and that you're moving on with her DNA too.
I hope to see the results of your work at twitter soon.
God Bless
K
I’m bummed
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Inappropriate?Funny metaphor, because I feel like I've got a bunch of Rael's DNA splattered all over my face at the moment, and not in a good way.
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Inappropriate?Once upon a time, I got a puppy. I loved my puppy. I changed my life around to be home for the puppy, take care of the puppy -- I had to feed him and take him out and take him to the vet, but he was a great puppy. I even brought him to the nursing home to play with the elderly residents.
Then, I decided to take a new job. And I had to move. And where I was going, I just couldn't bring my puppy with me.
So I had a decision to make. Either I had to find someone to take the puppy I so cared about, and love it as his or her own...or I had to drop the puppy off at the shelter, where they would probably kill it after two weeks.
I loved my puppy. I wasn't the kind of person who would just kill off a puppy, especially a puppy who had brought so much joy to so many people. So I made sure that my puppy went somewhere that he'd be loved and cared for and could still do all the wonderful things he did while he was with me -- my friend who adopted the puppy still takes him to the nursing home, even though he's quite a bit older himself now. Everybody wins. Well, except me, because I miss my puppy.
Selling IWantSandy to Twitter without some life plan ahead is sending the puppy to the kill shelter. It was a big deal, something meaningful and close. Why wouldn't you take responsibility for it, for what you'd created, for those who relied on you? Why would you sell it without assurances that Twitter would keep it running?
While Rael has done something massively anti-karmic by abandoning thousands of users who relied on him, Twitter is also making a boneheaded move by allowing all of these users to flail without a service they so rely on. What it shows us is that the lines of code are more important than the people who use them.
But remember, software doesn't exist without people to use it. Forgetting about your users is an enormous mistake for a software developer, either independent or corporate.
I’m thoroughly disappointed.
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Inappropriate?I have to say that this is a sad state of affairs. Two weeks is ridiculously short for making a transition like this. (How long did it take you to get things working the way you really liked with Sandy?) Throw in Thanksgiving week and it gets really short.
I wish there was a way to know when services like this were going south. It's such a pain to switch.
Thanks for nothing Twitter.
I’m frustrated and mad.
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Inappropriate?Rael,
Thank you so much for your commitment to the community and thank you for the investment you have made in I Want Sandy. This service was the perfect productivity service for anyone, especially in business. I'm definitely going to miss it and look forward to it's implementation into Twitter.
Twitter,
YOU MUST REINSTATE SANDY!!!! This service is TOO AMAZING to let it go offline. The ingenuity of having a Digital Personal Secretary at your fingertips anytime (especially iPhone users) has made her to important to productivity.
I’m sad
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Inappropriate?Words do no justice to the sadness I feel at the loss of Sandy. She has helped me through some very dark and difficult times with nary a negative word and I will be lost without her. Frankly, I would have happily have paid to keep using the service.
I am appalled by the choices I have for Sandy-like services; most of them don't begin to compare with the simplicity, effectiveness and friendliness of Sandy.
I guess that says a great deal about Rael's creativity, passion, skill, etc., and so I have to wish him the best of luck in his future endeavours. One of which is, I hope, resurrecting Sandy as soon as humanly possible. :-)
I’m anxious, frustrated, sad
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Inappropriate?Add me to the list of people who would have paid to use Sandy. Also add me to the list of people who wonders how Rael came up with two weeks as the appropriate amount of notice to give users. Presumably this change has been in the works for a while -- it's not as if you suddenly discovered you had to shut down two weeks from now, is it? A little transparency would have helped a lot of people out. I understand, it's a free service, you don't owe your users sh**, but really.
Personally, I'm probably one of the least technically inclined among Sandy's user base. All this talk about exporting and migrating is incomprehensible to me. I'm going to have to start over from scratch, and my entire life is on Sandy's servers. I knew this could happen someday, but it sure sucks for the users.
I also feel like a jackass for selling so many of my friends and colleagues on free Web 2.0 applications largely on the basis of Sandy's example. This decision definitely pulls the rug out from under a lot of other developers, since non-early adopters out there will have to be much more suspicious of the motives and futures of startups. I won't be trusting my data to a free service or a startup again for a while.
Rael, you might at least come out and acknowledge that a lot of people are being seriously hurt by your decision. It might mitigate some of the anger and ill-will this move has generated. I know it's gut-wrenching to abandon your projects and all that, but let's not forget that you're the one in control here and the users are just finding out about it now.
Good luck. You're a very talented developer and I wish you the best.
I’m going to spend the day trying to figure out how to handle this setback
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Inappropriate?Hey Rael, Ivan here from Dial2Do.
Big congrats on your move.
We're a tad sad because we have a lot of happy users using Dial2Do with Sandy and now they won't be able to :(
I appreciate that its non-core now to you and Twitter, but maybe we can help.
At Dial2Do we already run a 24x7 service, have support resources in place, a great team of Rails developers and work hard to make our users happy - we could dedicate some of that to Sandy users. I can think of lots of reasons why that's not an option for you, but in the event that the sole issue is just one of support/resources, we'd love to have a conversation about keeping Sandy at her desk :)
I’m hopeful
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Wow, it's great to see ivanmac's response here. I'm a very satisfied user of the Dial2Do service and have made use of the Dial2Do/Sandy integration frequently. Actually, Dial2Do was my main interface to Sandy.
I sincerely hope that something will come of ivanmac's gracious offer. He has obviously come to the realization that this could be a great opportunity for both Dial2Do and its users. -
Hey Rael and Twitter, as a Dial2Do user, I can say that Dial2Do and Sandy *were* the perfect match. It'd be great if you could all work something out. -
I guess you all don't understand the fact that all of the Sandy IP is now owned by Twitter. Rael has sold his loyal users out and no longer has any say over the service. -
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Inappropriate?I just want to add my two cents to the bucket of frustrated customers. I discovered Iwantsandy - ironically - in the annoucement of its closure, being curious I just wanted to test it. I found it great! It is sad to see that a good service is shut down just because the company is acquired. Though it is not the core business of twitter, it fits in its line of business.
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?What I don't get is why Twitter would buy an intellectual property and shut it down. You would think that means they'll be creating their own flavor of the service...
Based on the language being used here by Rael, it would appear the application is gone and it won't be returning--especially with his recommending alternatives.
I’m indifferent
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What's happened here is that Rael has got a well paid job at Twitter on the condition that he wind up his other concerns. Since IWS was not really a business, the only thing they could buy was the IP. Twitter 'bought' the IP more as compensation than an aquisition.
I'm not a user of IWS but I stumbled across this while researching for an online service currently being developing. This is a good lesson on how not to treat your user base.
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Inappropriate?You built a webapp, demonstrated how people can integrate it into their EVERYDAY LIVES, and asked them to give feedback on how to improve it. Yes, it was free, but our TIME invested into Sandy wasn't.
In essence, you had users help build a COMMUNITY that we RELIED on, then pulled the plug on it - and to top it off, the USERS who signed up, barely rate a mention until the end of your post, after several paragraphs of self-congratulatory back-slapping. But I guess it never was about the users, was it? Lesson learned.
I’m turned off by the whole thing.
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Inappropriate?The worst thing is I signed up yesterday thinking that now that Twitter has acquired it, Iwantsandy will become better.
SO SAD that it wont be there any longer
I’m sad
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Inappropriate?You will be missed. I never used Sandy to it's full potential, but it was quite an amazing idea. Can't wait to see what you do at Twitter though.
I’m sad
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Inappropriate?Yea, Twitter. OK, so SMS was costing them lots, and they stopped it. But many Bothans died holding their collective breath while Twitter "fixed" Jabber/instant messaging support. Sandy got hit by a truck (or will be in 2 weeks). She's gone, and we're sad.
I’m mourning.
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Inappropriate?This is very, very lame. I just spent the last hour trying to find a replacement and they all look awful.
It doesn't make any sense to just scrap something that obviously works so well for so many people.
Rael you coulda made a fortune selling monthly fees or putting ads into the emails.
Sheesh.
I’m wishing this is all a bad dream.
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Inappropriate?I understand closing something when you can't afford it any more, but the tone of your goodbye post was positively disgusting. You've set back cloud based computing quite effectively.
I’m angry
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Inappropriate?Expect more of this as the economy tanks. As others have said, you knew what you were getting into with a free service (and even some paid ones!) there's going to have be a lot of growing up and sobering up to new economic realities soon - the party's over....
I’m smashing
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Inappropriate?actually, its sort of funny to read how people think their lives are traumatized because they are losing access to (free) software and, so typical of an over-pced generation, telling us the minute details of their frustrations worthy of Pope's 'Rape of the Lock".
Oh, I feel sorry for a lot of the people here, in the coming months and years things are going to get really tough.. 1930s tough... and this effiminate generation won't be able to handle it.
I’m smashing
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hold me, I'm scared . . .
wonder if this commenter has a stockpile of notepads and calendars to survive the coming days of a world without Web 2.0 services . . . . surprised he used so many words to express what was pretty much a grunt. I wonder if he can spell schadenfreude since he expresses it so well.
Time to stop following this thread. The wake is over, Sandy has been laid to rest, and whatever happens will happen without a lot of us taking another chance, I expect. -
Free is irrelevant, betraying trust is the issue. They asked to be a part of our lives and to be important to us. We complied and now people think people are over-reacting because they did what I Want Sandy asked of them? Kiss my ass. They set this up, created an anthropomorphized persona and everything, so it is disingenuous to dismiss the personal connection that IWS worked so hard to engender in users. -
Inappropriate?Hey Rael, thanks for the work you and the guys put in. Sandy was a great idea, fun, useful and free! I'm surprised by all the 'loyal user' gripes, we live in exciting and changing times and most people unashamedly dip in and out of web services in a restless and experimental way. To me this was just another dip (albeit a very refreshing one). There are some real problems in our world, but this surely isn't one of them. I wish you every success in your new job, meanwhile I'm off looking for the next 'Sandy', or maybe something even better! If you ever do Sandy2 you should introduce her as a 'temp' to avoid attachments forming!
I’m dreaming of a white Christmas
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Inappropriate?Here is a primer on using gopingme if people are interested but feeling a little frustrated.
I love pingme and have used it for several months.
http://www.zetetic.net/2008/11/26/wel...
I’m happy about pingme's response, still irritated about the situation
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Inappropriate?I still don`t think that the end of Sandy has been properly advertised. Lots of us don`t even open the messages from Sandy, because all of the pertinent information is in the subject. You should send a message with the announcement in the subject line.
I’m suprised that you can`t let us down with even a fraction of the consideration that you showed when you were serving us.
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Inappropriate?Hi Rael,
I've been a fan of your stuff since blosxom days. Thank you so much for providing this service, it's been great fun, and a damn fine piece of software. The usefulness of Sandy's command of English was hard to exaggerate.
I'm hoping that your new position at Twitter involves sandifications of some sort the nature of which you are not currently at liberty to discuss :)
Good luck Rael!
-Pat
I’m appreciative
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Inappropriate?I'm sick of the "it was a free service" defense. F that. Time is more important than money to me, and they put up a free service that took my time, never asked for money, and used all of our attention to create value that they monetized in a buyout. So don't tell me "it was a free service, what do you expect." Now, I expect to be screwed. And I expect the next free Web 2.0 service Rael goes to to screw me again. I don't trust him anymore, I don't trust Twitter and I hate the way all these people do business.
I'm ceasing to use Twitter in protest of this.
I’m pissed the f off
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