History of the San Andreas model
Does anyone know how has San Andreas changed over the years? It is one of the longest running production bike. I am interested to know what are the many minor changes made to make it better and better.
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Inappropriate?Hey CycleGuy,
I have a pretty good idea of the frames progress, only three actual changes were made to it over the years..... and I have ridden all 3!
Model A: The original with the elastomer rear 'shock', canti mounts, Prostop mounts and the Delrin shaft pivot.
Model B: The second incarnation with the revised shock mount allowing for newer shocks. These often still had canti mounts though I think by that point they moved to an IS brake mount on the rear. Model B also introduced the new pressed seat tower.
Model C: The newer VPS shock mount came in under Kinisis allowing for variable shock lengths. IS brake mount, no canti, a bearing pivot and the frame protector.
As far as I know, these have been the only variations in the frame. John or Krien might be able to add or amend this.
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Model A has 1.1/4 inch headsed tube and front deraileur appendix is welded from 2 tube pieces. -
Inappropriate?G, Thanks for the info. I really think you guys should bring back the San Andreas classic. It has quite a cult following.
One more question: I have mounted my Manitous Swinger 3 way shock to the top most VPS position (leaving the bottom 3 of the six shock mounting holes open). How much travel am I getting in this position? How should I mount the shocks and seat post tower for all mountain riding?
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Inappropriate?CycleGuy, it depends if you have a longer stroke shock. Placing in that position should yield you 6" odd, but only if your shock has a 2" stroke. Otherwise, you'll just end up with an odd riding position :)
As far as setup goes, however you like it is all I can say. Getting set up in the right position is a very personal thing. The only thing I can say is watch out about pushing the saddle/your weight too far back, otherwise you'll end up with a wheelie monster. I have mine set up to be steepish and twitchy, as that's the way I like my bikes.
There has been much talk about a new SA but due to various reasons it has been decided that we are going to redesign the old girl from the ground up and solve some of the legacy issues that exist and are inherit in the design. I still love mine, would not swap it for any other bike right now.
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Inappropriate?One of the key things you need to do is to bring the pivot point back between middle/outer ring a la Commencal, Orange, Santa Cruz. The original pivot point worked ok with the old 24/36-38/46-52 ring sizes but is a bit too far out there with 22/32/42-44. DNA pivot point was pretty good. Don't go too long travel on it either. Remember the ol girl started out with 2-3 inches!
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Inappropriate?The pressed seat tower was introduced during the end of what you call the A model. I bought the first one that had the pressed seat tower in January, '96. Unfortunetly, around the same time they switched from the Noleen or Fox, can't remember which one, to a really cheap Asin made shocks. One of a few really bad decisions that Mountain Cycle made. I was forced to spend a lot of money right away for a Stratos Helix Pro.
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