Blu-Ray Price Increase
Netflix is charging $1 more/month no matter which plan you have (that's good, imo) for Blu-Ray access. Customers are unsurprisingly pissed off:
http://blog.netflix.com/2008/10/price...
Here's also a historical thread about the same thing from a few months ago:
http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2008/07...
http://blog.netflix.com/2008/10/price...
Here's also a historical thread about the same thing from a few months ago:
http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2008/07...
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Inappropriate?The $1 extra charge is fine by me. I was surprised that the people who rent regular DVDs weren't chafed that BluRay cost the same. Netflix is the best business relationship I currently have.
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Inappropriate?1 dollar for blue-ray ohh my what ever will I do!!!! I bet you never pay a 1$ fee on an ATM either. 1$ is chump change. By the way you don't have to pay it if your not using it. This is by far the fairest way they could have done it since Blue-Ray is far from being considered mainstream.
I’m unconcerned
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Inappropriate?First, it's blu-ray, not "blue-ray." .
Second, the point isn't whether or not it can be afforded. The point is whether the rationale given for the increase is legitimate, and it is not. And your ATM analogy is weak. Putting it back to you, I imagine you will happily continue to pay $25.00 for checked bags for air travel based on the airlines' rationale of "high gas prices," when oil is now back under $70.00/barrel. Once these fees get added, they don't get rescinded, even if the purported basis for them to be imposed in the first instance vanishes.
The price difference between blu-ray and DVD is marginal. It will continue to decrease over time, particularly as more people adopt, which they will, particularly with Christmas coming up. Nevertheless, Netflix will continue to charge blu-ray members $1.00/month more in perpetuity. It was and remains a rip-off
I’m still annoyed
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When I was younger I worked at my relatives video store for several years. The VHS tapes that we rented cost the video store around 80$ per copy. We were not allowed to just run down to Target and pick up a 20$ copy of the new releases and rent them. That video store closed shortly after things started moving to DVDs. DVDs were more expensive and the local population felt that a DVD should rent for the same price as a VHS. Now we are not talking about Netflix here, an independent video store just does not have the same scale and cash flow so a format change is more problematic than it will be for Netflix. So assuming the status quo has been maintained in the movie industry there is likely an additional cost associated with the new format. I don't know what the delta between a DVD and a Blue-ray would be today but I am sure it is there. Even if it is a marginal cost difference between the two formats the other factor here is that Netflix has to keep track of the same title twice once on Blu-Ray and once on DVD, there is a cost associated with that. They are not going to rent a movie twice as many times if it is on Blu-Ray. Blue-Ray is going to cannibalize their DVD rentals, so they are managing more material, using more space and processing a 2nd set of transactions to receive the same amount of profit (this is where that dang 1$ comes in). In my mind Netflix is being more than fair giving their customers the choice to pay for the upgrade or not. The movie studios are not selling retail Blu-Ray releases for the same price as DVDs are they? From what I can see at the local retailers there is generally a 10$ difference in price. So how do we justify that? In my line of thinking I ask myself, am I getting an extra 10$ in value when I buy a blue-ray? In certain cases I think I am. Iron Man is much more enjoyable on Blu-Ray than on DVD. So the 1$ a month or 12$ a year for the option to get Blu-Ray via Netflix is worth it to me when framed in those terms. If the added value is there I am willing to pay for it and I do not expect to receive it for free. Now will these costs be maintained over time? I don't know. As Blu-Ray overtakes DVD in volume for Nexflix the associated cost of maintaining 2 library's will change with Blu-ray representing a larger number until ultimately DVDs go away. Will the cost of the Blue-Ray disk to Netflix go down, that I cannot say. I rented VHS for 4 years and the price to the video store never changed, what did change is that as the catalog of older movies grew, that would offset the price of a new releases and you just had more business in general to spread cost around. You also had more tapes that were bought and paid for to help support the new releases. Replacement cost on older movies could drive you right out of business if you were not careful, so if an old move came back broken it was not always replaced and were it someones pet movie they would complain and that was always problematic. The cost of maintaining two library s will always be a factor for Netflix until they are back to one format. Between now and then the price of the service will have gone up more than one dollar. I expect to see the day that the one dollar fee goes away and is replaced by a 1$ dollar fee for having the ability to get a DVD from Netflix. Or Netflix will simply give people a date for the final day to get DVDs and well then we will hear complaints. If the fee moves from Blue-ray to DVD we will stop paying this fee the day the DVD format dies.
As for the airlines and their baggage fees I will gladly pay the 25$, because it makes sense. Try to ship your luggage to your destination overnight to avoid the 25$ fee, you can't do it. The Airlines did sneak it in with the "high price of gas", but our luggage was pretty much getting a free ride anyway. Since the cost of fuel and competition eroded the airlines margins there was nothing they could do. The only reason Northwest made a profit last quarter was because they charged for extra bags. Over the years the airlines gave up way too much margin due to competition, it was their own fault but they ran themselves so thin that when 911 happened or the cost of fuel went up they could no longer stay in business. The government had to bail them out. If charging for baggage is what it takes to keep them out of the tax payers coffers then so be it. At least I can choose when and how much money I give to an airline. When the Tax man shows up at my door I have to pay what he tells me or I can go to jail. I encourage everyone I know to buy a full price airline ticket at least once in their life and see how that flight goes. I fly for work every month, my company pays close to full fair for tickets and it is a totally different experience when something goes wrong. I digress, the airline discussion belongs in a different thread. -
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Inappropriate?All right then, since there is such and understanding and open crowd here, more concerned with substance, content and actually listening to a viewpoint than following procedure and making sure we click the right link. Well I think at this point I will quote one of the coolest kids ever on television and say, "Screw your guys, I'm going home". It has been real fun! Good luck with your little site here it is very cute.
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Inappropriate?I have no problem with a surcharge right now. Blu-ray is not mainstream at all. The majority of movies are not on blu-ray discs, and the majority of us don't have blu-ray players.
If (I would say when, but I'm not convinced blu-ray is even necessary; are they really going to rerelease all the previous movies on blu-ray?) this overtakes DVD, then I expect the surcharge to disappear. By then, the price of blu-ray discs should have fallen as well. As there are only a few people affected right now, a surcharge makes sense -- I don't want to pay more because only a handful of titles are now available on this blu-ray format that only a few people can even use. When you're surcharging everyone, though, then it makes more sense to just include the extra amount in the monthly subscription price. In other words, when the surcharge disappears it may be one indication that the masses have adopted blu-ray. -
Inappropriate?Is there any one else out there with an alternative to netflix?
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Inappropriate?I don't see what the problem is. Blu-rays cost more! For an example, I looked up a new movie on Amazon: Quantum of Solace, DVD is $16.99. The Blu-ray version is $25.99. Netflix is probably being charged in the ballpark of ($25.99/$16.99) 53% more to buy rentable Blu-ray discs. And $10.99 to rent from Netflix instead of $9.99 is not a bad deal, since that's only a 10% increase. So, granted, not all the discs you get from Netflix are blu-ray (only like 25% or so of mine are), but if you want to get really mathy, you'll realize that so long as at least (10/53) 19% of the movies you rent are blu-ray, you're still coming out ahead.
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Inappropriate?And now that the proportion of blu-rays Netflix owns is increasing, they hike the price up to $3. Not that I'm surprised -- I'll always rent the blu-ray option when it's available, so why should Netflix suffer because of that?
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Inappropriate?Maybe its me but I'd rather pay the increase with netflix for the blu-ray then pay 7-8 dollars to rent blu-ray at a place like blockbuster or movie gallery
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