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Coda Code Collapsing
I think that Coda should have code collapsing... i.e you could collapse a div in HTML, collapse and if statement in php, etc.
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Indeed, our friends at TheCodingMonkeys have added code folding to the core engine used by SubEthaEdit and Coda. It's something we've been waiting for, and something we talked to them much about.
THAT BEING SAID: there are still a lot of OTHER things we want to add to Coda for the next release, so please note that it will still take some time before this will make its way into Coda proper.
But I hope it might bring some solace to note that the code folding work is essentially complete! :)
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We agree! It's been on our list for a long time, and we intend to get to it in a future Coda update. Thanks for your patience!
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Inappropriate?We agree! It's been on our list for a long time, and we intend to get to it in a future Coda update. Thanks for your patience!
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Inappropriate?Yeah, I added this request quite awhile back as well and have been hoping to see it every time Coda does an auto-update.
I’m still hoping.
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Inappropriate?It would help me a lot. I work on really big files with complex functions, and it would help having a better overview.
I’m excited that it might soon come!!
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Inappropriate?We don't pre-announce release dates or schedules, so unfortunately, no ETA. It'll probably be a while -- there's a lot we want to add to the next big release.
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Inappropriate?I can't think of ANYTHING that could be more important than adding this feature. I'm half tempted to dump Coda and go for TextMate or Espresso just to have this. I've been aching for it since I got Coda when it first came out.
Cabel, you are awesome. But whatever you're doing that ISN'T code collapsing should be on the back burner. Let's make Coda 1.6.4 a single-feature update: code collapsing!
Okay, I hope I was clear enough. ;) Thanks!
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Inappropriate?Code folding is a massive change that requires major modifications to the text engine in Coda. It won't be quick, and it won't come easy, so I would very much not expect it in a minor update. (And, alas, we always try to put fixing crashes above adding new features, hence 1.6.3. :))
Rest assured we know it's important, though, we truly do.
This might be obvious, and it doesn't exactly "hide" code, but you do know about the Code Navigator in Coda, right? It makes it much easier to jump around in a large file in the interim.
Anyway, we'll get there, but it'll take time. Your patience is appreciated. And by appreciated, I mean required.
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Inappropriate?Yes, I agree with the Code folding. I just bought Coda and realized that it's missing code folding (Why didn't I see that during my trial period? Somehow missed it). But as I use Coda more and more, I come across this need more and more.
You guys have done a great job with the editor and I hope you are close to achieving the code folding fix soon.
Looking forward to it.
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Inappropriate?From Cabel's previous post it sounds like they are nowhere near ready for release (pronounced "haven't started working on it yet"). He specifically mentions that "It won't be quick, and it won't come easy". A rewrite of the code editor isn't a small weekend project. I assume it's a monumental undertaking and that's why other features stay in front of it.
I am one of those users who would love to have it (it's been #1 on my wish list for a long, long time). I really do love Coda and can't complain too loudly about the things the team has prioritized above code folding because they've made it my favorite editor, hands down.
Here's just another friendly +1 from a loyal fan.
I’m dying to get me some code-folding!
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Inappropriate?I'm considering adding Coda to my toolkit (previously mostly TextMate) and I was bummed to find out Coda doesn't have code folding. This makes me go try out Espresso.
I’m sad to not yet have code folding
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Inappropriate?Yes, code collapse please! Just realized it doesn't have it after purchasing, disappointment sets in.3 Comments Add a comment
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I guess, but that still would not enable code collapsing...
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No indeed it does not... hopefully it'll happen sometime soon though!
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Inappropriate?I love Coda, it's been my favourite editor for years. Every now and then I check out some of the other ones and they don't even come close.
But code folding is at the top of my wishlist for new features. I hope you guys manage to get it in there by the next big release!
I’m happy with it as it is but code folding would make me really excited!
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Inappropriate?I would love to buy Coda because there's so much I like about it. That said, I'll be sticking with Komodo Edit until code folding becomes available.
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Inappropriate?I'd like to hear more from Panic - this is obviously a hot topic (they admit so themselves) yet there's been nothing on this page or on their RSS feed in over 3 months.
I would be nice to know they are a: listening and b: making progress
You never know but it would probably help boost the early uptake of this major (read: paid) release.
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As I wrote above: "Code folding is a massive change that requires major modifications to the text engine in Coda. We'll get there, but it'll take time. Your patience is appreciated. And by appreciated, I mean required."
What more can I say? :) We definitely know code folding is important, and combined with other things we'd like to add to future update(s), it'll take time, certainly more than the three months from when I last posted.
Thanks for your interest and (hopefully) continued patience. In the meantime, I highly recommend using the Code Navigator to skip around your large files. -
Inappropriate?"Your patience is appreciated. And by appreciated, I mean required."
While this may be true, probably not worth repeating. I was slightly put off the first time I read it, the second time is well, not good.
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ach c'mon we are all developers, we know how does it work :) I'm confident :)
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I'm just being goofy. What I mean is, as a small developer, it sometimes takes a lot of time to do things. We're getting better about it but aren't quite there yet. So, literally the only way we can survive with our sanity intact, is if people are patient and understanding of the process. Thanks so much. :)
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Inappropriate?I love this thread and hope that soon when it hits my inbox, I'll see the good news of code collapsing. Regardless, Coda is pretty friggin' awesome and has easily and rightfully found a spot in my dock. Now hurry up :-P.
I’m STILL hoping
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Inappropriate?The more I think about Coda's code collapsing feature, the more it feels like it's the 'Cut, Copy & Paste' feature of iPhone. So, simple at the outset but very hard to implement I guess. Heck it took Apple to get to that 3 versions. I hope it doesn't become the Achilles heel for them. I really like your work guys and am being very very patient in this regard.
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Inappropriate?I don't think code collapsing is __the__ utmost important feature to wish for, just one of the nice things to have. As said, the code navigator will do fine in the meantime.
I think the CSS department is much more important, and I'm still wishing for Coda to catch up with the snappiness that (still) makes CSS Edit theTM css editor that nobody except yesteryear programming mummies could suffice without.
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Inappropriate?Just adding my voice to those already chiming in the thread. Code folding is the ONLY thing keeping me from using Coda as my only coding platform. It is so frustrating to have to copy paste the code from Coda to textmate for reference. Coda has out of the box SVN support, and yet the most basic feature is missing. Well, I'll hold off purchasing the app till the Code folding feature is introduced.
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Inappropriate?So im just throwing my hat in the ring here but I agree with every single person in here!
By FAR, the most important missing feature in Coda is code folding!
The Code Navigator is good for jumping around quickly but thats it. In my experience, the Navigator doesnt come anywhere NEAR replacing code folding given that I use code folding to confirm that tags are closed/nested correctly in large files not to move around the document.
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I'm not too fond of Dreamweaver but this is the one thing that my Dreamweaver friends always tease me about! :( PLEASE make them stop lol
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Inappropriate?Throwing another vote in the thread. Code collapsing is the most important addition for me personally! Would love to see it in Coda soon!
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Inappropriate?I am done waiting. Thanks for the Coda team and their efforts, but it was too long a wait. I have been working with BBEdit and bought the license last night. Good luck with your efforts.
I’m no longer holding my breath
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Uhm. OK. Because BBEdit has built in FTP, Subversion, Bonjour sharing, Visual CSS editor, Terminal access, and built in reference books? Oh wait, it doesn't have any of those things.
So you don't need ANY of those things but DO need code folding? I think you made the right choice then. -
Inappropriate?chriscoyier - I am not disagreeing with all those good features. If you want to wait be my guest, I am just done with it. I don't need all your sarcasm.
We all have different needs. I never use built in reference books, use the regular terminal, don't use Visual CSS.
My dev needs require code folding a lot more than I anticipated. So, I switched to another good editor.
One more thing I can't do with Coda is connecting to EC2 instances - it would be a very nice feature to add SSH + private key feature like the way Cyberduck does.2 Comments Add a comment
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I use my private key to connect to SSH and SFTP using Coda all the time, in fact almost exclusively, have no problems with it, just FYI
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Hey Nicholas, can we take this offline and do you mind helping me figure that out? That be of great help. Thanks. My email - akbarpasha@gmail.com
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Inappropriate?SubEthaEdit got code folding! So far as I know the editor engine in Coda is based on SubEthaEdit's. Guess we will see code folding in Coda very soon.
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Inappropriate?Indeed, our friends at TheCodingMonkeys have added code folding to the core engine used by SubEthaEdit and Coda. It's something we've been waiting for, and something we talked to them much about.
THAT BEING SAID: there are still a lot of OTHER things we want to add to Coda for the next release, so please note that it will still take some time before this will make its way into Coda proper.
But I hope it might bring some solace to note that the code folding work is essentially complete! :)
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Splendid. Well, finish up whatever y'all are putting into Coda, ship it, and get us code folding for Christmas.
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40+ comments and 88 people think its a good idea? I'm one of them by the way :-) I agree it would be a nice x-mas present, but before would also be great :-)
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Inappropriate?I can read between the lines, sounds like: New features = new release = new upgrade price? Am I right? :/
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Have you forgotten the price of Panic software? I mean, even if the upgrade price is 100% of first-purchase, it kinda pays for itself within a week, if the new features add up to an hour or two of saved time here and there. And if it doesn't pay for itself in your situation, I'm pretty sure that means the upgrade wasn't needed.
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The point is that this feature -- and others like auto-completing custom variables -- are widely requested features, and many people feel that it should have been in the v1 release.
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@Zack Katz: huh? nobody was promised this feature. there are lots of things people would like and Panic would like to roll into Coda, but anybody who *bought* Coda on the basis of features which MIGHT appear in the future has only themselves to blame, really.
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Yeah, sorry Zack, but I'm not sure how you can feel "led on" when no one ever misled you. Not only that, but did you completely miss the widely-publicized Panic 50%-off sale a few months ago? The one where they said they were "clearing out inventory" (a funny turn of phrase) before new releases come along later this year? The one where they said that current owners would get discounts on the next release? Which kinda implies that it won't be free?
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Jeez people. Calm down.
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Yes, the next major Coda release will be a paid upgrade.
It's already been 2+ years since we released Coda 1.0. But I do hope you have enjoyed the tons of free enhancements we've added to Coda along the way. Both 1.5 and 1.6 were significant updates. -
Thanks Cabel.
What I meant was that on _this thread_, the topic of paid upgrade was more implied than stated. I look forward to upgrading to 2.0 with the rest of the fans on this site. -
Inappropriate?Alright, I agree that code collapsing is an important feature, but I want to take the time to let the awesome people who work on Coda know that I really appreciate their hard work. Coda is an awesome editor with a crap load of awesome features. I have Dreamweaver CS4 and I use Coda instead because it's awesome.
Thank you guys very much. I can't wait for the next release.
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I'm a convert from Dreamweaver CS3, and I agree whole-heartedly. Sadly, it doesn't make me stop missing the few features and UI conventions that DW does do a bit better.
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Inappropriate?I've been coding since February 2009, so I'm quite new to the scene. However, even I really can tell how useful this feature would be for me. I have DW but I just think it's too much for my needs. Coda is such a joy to use, especially since I don't really want another WYSIWYG solution, I like learning the code!
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Inappropriate?If I have to 'pay' just to get the code-folding that has frustrated me for months, I will retire my use of Coda and ...
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Inappropriate?Cabel, it is *very* easy for you guys:
(a) When do you expect code folding in Coda?
(b) Will it be free or what will be the upgrade price?
There would be no discussion here if you could answer at least *one* of the two questions.
I don ́t have any problems in paying for a Coda 2.0 version with code folding - but I want to know when and how much.
I just hate this "well, we never said so" statements and all reading between the lines. Because we want to use this in a professional production and have a roadmap for the software not some "maybe"
Thank you
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Sadly, developing/scheduling software and determining pricing is not, in fact, very easy. :)
But let me re-cap what I've said in this thread, as clearly as possible.
1. Yes, Code Folding will be added to a major Coda update.
2. Yes, major Coda updates will have an upgrade fee. But since it's early still, and we haven't done an upgrade for Coda yet, pricing has not been determined, and probably will be, like, two days before release. We will make it reasonable.
3. No, there is no release date. Sorry. Really! We're working hard. We have many things to do and only so many people to do them. It's the small-company-with-multiple-major-apps blues. Right now I'd say: 2010! Yeah, not helpful. Tell you what: when we hit beta, I'll try to post an update here.
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Inappropriate?I want to clarify. I bought Coda on impulse and found that I loved many things about it. I never regretted that decision. When I realized that features I needed were not available (and not considered in my buying process), I was glad a Group was available. The objective of group participation was to discover what other people also wished for, so I can take advantage of those features.
However, as time goes by, my needs increased. And naturally I 'hoped' my favorite product would improve along with it. Eventually I'm left with these choices:
- Pay to get the upgraded Coda which includes Code Folding
- Pay for another product
My suggestion to you is this. Users should pay for upgrades that are a result of innovation. Paying for Code Folding when it was already available in other products (and we chose you) seems a little unfair to me. It's like asking users to pay for an upgraded version that provides syntax highlighting.
I agree with Applestar that the 'between the lines' thing is getting old. We are professionals and need to make decisions on how the products we invest in today, affect us months from now. Plus we are somewhat creatures of comfort.
The fact that your followers are sticking around despite their complaints is a testament that we love and have faith in your product. Think "Moses" in the dessert. But the patience is wearing thin.
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"Paying for Code Folding when it was already available in other products (and we chose you) seems a little unfair to me."
Code Folding will not be the only feature added to the next major Coda update.
If the other new features are not worth it for you, and you think code folding should be "free", then that's certainly a purchase to consider carefully. (Of course, I think it will be worth it.)
To remind again: we've added tons of major new features to Coda — including source control, search and replace in files, custom books, clip groups, plug-ins, etc. — without charging a single cent. Just not that one feature you wanted. (Sorry.)
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Ghost coder: Disagree. Other products do not have some of Codas functionalities. So they have to add it for free just because you found it in Coda?
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LOL at Moses in the dessert, with a cherry on top.
Also, LOL at "We are professionals and need to make decisions on how the products we invest in today, affect us months from now." You're absolutely right! I'm sure you learned a lesson from your impulse buy of Coda.
But, as professionals, it also behooves us to refrain from grilling the developers of Coda over hot coals without really thinking through what it is we know and don't know about the situation: of course, we've been given a metric boatload of updated features for our original entry price, and of COURSE the next major upgrade to Coda is going to include far more than just Code Folding. So, your ultimatum to walk away is really going to seem silly and not-well-thought-out. It's kinda like being that guy in traffic who speeds into the other lane, only to find out that he should have stayed in the lane he came from.
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Well, here we figured the added functionality of code-collapsing, and the value it would add to our d-2-d coding. We decided to go with Textmate. The transition was painless and took all of 2 hours to migrate our code from the SVN to Textmate. It was a rather painful decision, as I am really fond of Coda, but as our company has grown, so has the size of the projects we handle. Waiting till 2010 was simply not an option for us. Textmate works great for us - code folding and tab triggers for SVN.
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Also disagree, real innovation is so rare that charging only for that would mean very few people would ever get paid. Implementation takes time, and time is what costs. As for upgrade costs, coming from the design software world I giggle with relief at the thought of getting a decent bit of software bought, let alone upgraded, for under $100... :)
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Inappropriate?Cabel, I consider this a great answer. Well, of course I would have loved code folding in a 2009 release. Still, this is all I need for now :)
For me its quite clear. I love the way Coda includes all our svn versioning and sftp uploading needs. Tried BBEdit and had some big issues that had to be solved by manually altering my svn config via Terminal. Not again :)
Still, code folding is a big bullet point because we do not code very clean and simple. To be honest - good coding does not need a lot of folding while writing/editing. But patching some PHP together for a proof of concept - well, I need a lot of it :)
Cabel, as long as most of the comparable alternative products do not offer your special advantages I mentioned before there is no need to hurry in changing and upgrading your product. Its reasonably stable today. Just make sure you get code folding out before some others copy *your* unique functionalities. Then thing could be complicated ;)
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Is there any documentation anywhere getting subversion working with coda? I'm finding it a bit of a monkey
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Inappropriate?@Simon Norris: It is rather easy. http://www.timothevs.net/2009/02/18/c...1 Comment Add a comment
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Bless you and all all who sail in you ... I guessed it would be. Everything which is already in coda seems well though out and easy to use.
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Inappropriate?I must be the only person in the world that doesn't like cold-folding. I prefer to see all of my code all of the time. And in huge, long files, I just use the code navigator to jump around.
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