Rael Dornfest's dashboard

I can see that the todos page has been worked on. However, the fundamental problem hasn't been fixed. Emmadad is right.

Problem #1 & #2

The fundamental problem is that the "sort=date" option is flawed. It EXCLUDES unscheduled items. (Items without a date) This must be fixed. It also EXCLUDES @done items, but this might be intentional behavior. (It might be intentional that using the option "sort=date" by itself exclude @done items. However, the current behavior where "sort=date&done=1" doesn't display any @done items is probably an additional bug.)

The "sort=status" option works correctly and INCLUDES unscheduled items and INCLUDES @done items. (Unless there is an additional constraint such as "done=0".)

The primary bug is that the "sort=date" option should NOT EXCLUDE items without a date. It should GROUP items without a date at the end of the list.

The "sort=date" filter also has a second bug in it. It should not permanently exclude @done items. (i.e. using "done=1&sort=date" should make a list with @done items visible in it. Currently this doesn't work.)

Side note: Currently, the "sort=status" option has default behavior to make @done items be visible. (Emmadad's second example, using both "done=1&sort=status" states this option explicitly. For right now the "done=1" is not actually necessary.)

As far as I can tell the "sort=status" option FIRST sorts by the todo status (i.e. @done), and SECOND it sorts by date. The result is a list containing 1) older, undone items (overdue items), then 2) future undone items, then 3) undone items without a date. Then it transitions to the @done items and lists 4) the past done items, then 5) future done items, then 6) done items without a date. The key point here is that "sort=status" explicitly separates all @done items from undone items and puts the @done items at the end of the list.

I think that "sort=date" is supposed to be the easier version of "sort=status". It's not supposed to sort by @done at all. So, the result should be that @done items are listed along with undone items. Items with the two status types will be intermingled in the list.

"done=1&sort=date" should return a list mixed with @done and undone items.

Also, I think that if everything worked correctly, the two sort options could be made equivalent by simply excluding all @done items. "sort=date&done=0" is equal to "sort=status&done=0"

Again, the problem right now is that the "sort=date" option has a bug/hack in it so that it will EXCLUDE items without a date. It will also ALWAYS exclude @done items. Using "done=1" will not make the done items appear.

Problem #3

Either the "sort=date" links are wrong, or the "todos?done=1" link is wrong.

The correct links in the todo page really depend on which sorting method you want to use.

The easy case is to assume that Sandy's helpers want to group all @done items at the end of the list. That is, when @done items are even visible. If I'm right, then all uses of the "sort=date" option when displaying the todos pages are errors.

The "Hide past" link
Wrong: http://www.iwantsandy.com/todos?past=...
Right: http://www.iwantsandy.com/todos?past=0

The "Next" page link
Wrong: http://www.iwantsandy.com/todos?page=...
Right: http://www.iwantsandy.com/todos?page=2

However, I might be wrong and Sandy's helpers might want the @done items intermixed with the undone items and the whole lot sorted by date. (i.e. The correct thing to do would be to add "done=1" to whatever the current URL is. Resulting in something like "sort=date&page=3&done=1&past=0")

The problem with this is that currently the "sort=date" option has a bug in it so that "sort=date&done=1" does not display any @done items.

Due to this bug, I understand the decision to make the "Show done todos" link be non-standard. Instead of being relative and add "done=1" to the other options in the URL, instead it always points to the same place iwantsandy.com/todos?done=1"

Oh, very nice Rael, having the inline action links on the right. I didn't see them at first but I've always liked that kind of design feature. Thank you.

On another note: For some reason, what I thought I had down when Sooin explained doing items in a list, e.g.,

r [list name]
*[spacebar]item 1
*[spacebar]item 2

is now showing me the asterisks instead of making bullets. I keep trying it different ways like putting "r" before the title or using no title, still I seem to be doing it wrong or else it's changed.

L.

Rael,

Thanks for checking back. You have indeed fixed the problem with the Done items, but the list is still not quite right.

What's missing now, if I select You Stuff/Todos and then a tag, is all the todo items that don't have a reminder associated with them.

This is what I get following the above steps:
http://www.iwantsandy.com/list?sort=d...

Compare that with the following (url from Kevin1 comments above):
http://www.iwantsandy.com/list?done=1...

The first URL lists only todos marked @home with remind dates/times. The second list everything marked @home and @todo (i.e. stuff created with "Remember...").

Digging a little further, even if I don't select home (just Your Stuff/Todos), I see this behavior.

I'm just wondering how things are going with making this happen? Right now I've got a semester's worth of classes set up for the fall and I'd rather not have to go in and archive over 12 items if I don't have to.

Here we go again. No response since this posting. Nothing in e-mail either.

Howdy, Jo!

You can say "tag with" anywhere you'd type "@".

As for the "noreply" bit, I've not tried this recently but you should be able to say "no reply (one word)" to have Jott stick those together. That said, we're working on having multi-word (or essentially multi-word) tags play better with Jott so that you don't end up with @no @reply.

Rael

Howdy! Yes, that was indeed on purpose — our aim was to minimize the clutter when you're just reading your page (otherwise my to-do list — and yours — would be an unreadable higgledy-piggledy of action links) while still keeping them close at hand. Interesting that you found that weird: it's a pretty common design pattern (not to say it's necessarily the best one, mind). When you hover over the item at hand (anywhere in that row), the action links show up: hover over one the action links in particular and it lights up so as to be more obviously the one you're choosing. —R – Rael Dornfest, about 11 hours ago

Howdy, folks.

Please can you give things another whirl and see if they're working as you'd expect them to. I fixed a bunch of these issues in today's release [http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy...] and believe I took care of all you were describing above. That said, if I've still missed one, please do let me know.

—Rael

As always, thanks billions! Sandy keeps getting better!

One little thing I noticed...it seems that the newly-tweaked iconized inline action links only show up when I mouse over them. Kinda weird...is that on purpose?

Good to hear, Jaclyn! And if you've been looking to widgetize Sandy, you'll be happy with what we have on the way ;-). – Rael Dornfest, about 14 hours ago

Yay! Thanks so much. This makes my (way too long) daily digest usable again.

Jaclyn: I believe you'll like the changes prompted by your, Trevor's, and Waffles's comments in http://getsatisfaction.com/iwantsandy/topics/update_for_may_12th_2008. – Rael Dornfest, about 14 hours ago

Could Sandy add a VTODO option for "to do" tags?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalenda....28VTODO.29

The VTODO component describes a to-do item, i.e., an action-item or assignment.

The following is an example of a to-do due on April 15, 1998, from RFC 2445 or RFC2445 Syntax Reference. An audio alarm has been specified to remind the calendar user at noon, the day before the to-do is expected to be completed and repeat hourly, four additional times. The to-do definition has been modified twice since it was initially created.

BEGIN:VCALENDAR
VERSION:2.0
PRODID:-//ABC Corporation//NONSGML My Product//EN
BEGIN:VTODO
DTSTAMP:19980130T134500Z
SEQUENCE:2
UID:uid4@host1.com
ORGANIZER:MAILTO:unclesam@us.gov
ATTENDEE;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED:MAILTO:jqpublic@host.com
DUE:19980415T235959
STATUS:NEEDS-ACTION
SUMMARY:Submit Income Taxes
BEGIN:VALARM
ACTION:AUDIO
TRIGGER:19980403T120000
ATTACH;FMTTYPE=audio/basic:http://host.com/pub/audio-
files/ssbanner.aud
REPEAT:4
DURATION:PT1H
END:VALARM
END:VTODO
END:VCALENDAR

Hi Alex,

First and foremost, I'm so sorry this happened to you — aside from Fauxreigner's incident a month ago I've not seen this happen at all. I'm looking into this right now.

Rael

This happened to me while I was on holiday last week.

A daily reminder turned up 60 times before my message limit on Twitter expired.

s #45 Reminder: Check voicemail (Mon, 29/11/2027 6:00pm) @daily @twitter 02:55 PM May 01, 2008 reply

#44 Reminder: Check voicemail (Sun, 28/11/2027 6:00pm) @daily @twitter 02:55 PM May 01, 2008 reply

s #43 Reminder: Check voicemail (Sat, 27/11/2027 6:00pm) @daily @twitter 02:55 PM May 01, 2008 reply

s #42 Reminder: Check voicemail (Fri, 26/11/2027 6:00pm) @daily @twitter 02:55 PM May 01, 2008 reply

s #41 Reminder: Check voicemail (Thu, 25/11/2027 6:00pm) @daily @twitter 02:54 PM May 01, 2008 reply

s #40 Reminder: Check voicemail (Wed, 24/11/2027 6:00pm) @daily @twitter 02:54 PM May 01, 2008 reply

Checking the Twitter website on my return, it looks like she sent thousands of messages, a long way into the future. Look carefully at the dates above!

It was annoying at the time because it meant I exhausted my message allowance and didn't get any UK election results until I got home!

This has just happened the once, and normally, it's fine.

I've also sent this via the "help" address

Thanks,

Alex

Actually, I find that (at least for me) Stikkit works better for storing some information - e.g. contacts.

has this functionality been added yet? One thing I'm doing is using sandy to remind me about a TV show that's coming up so that I can Tivo it. I can't tivo it until 2weeks before air time so I'd like to set a reminder for that show time then put a handy relative offset like 7 days before on it. thanks.

I too hope to see Sandy talking to me directly through Jabber...I think it would be far more efficient than through email.

My weekly reminder shows up on the Daily Digest every Friday, but for the last two Fridays I have not been getting the actual reminder itself like I'm supposed to or used to get before.