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airchie started following the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird.
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airchie replied on June 26, 2009 18:24 to the problem "Keyboard shortcuts broken for skipping tracks in Jaunty?" in Songbird:
Seemed to be working last time I ran songbird??
Does the app have different areas of 'focus' where some keys work and others dont? -
airchie replied on June 24, 2009 13:52 to the idea "Media Management - More Folder Structure Customization" in Songbird:
Not sure what you mean dtay? -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 15:35 to the idea "Media Management - More Folder Structure Customization" in Songbird:
Hehe, it certainly would be a lot of work but that's what we're here for right?
Making the devs work harder... :D -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 15:31 to the idea "Decluttering this feedback site" in Songbird:
Yeah, the site does seem hectic at first but I've grown used to it quite quick.
It does offer up topics based on what you're typing when creating a post.
It does offer plenty of choice to users to post in an existing topic but it can't force users to do it.
I just think the layout needs some work to make the pages flow a bit better and seem less cluttered. :) -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 12:03 to the idea "Media Management - More Folder Structure Customization" in Songbird:
It sounds promising but I would have to see the implementation. Especially the reference to an internet DB. Because the tend to misinformed from time to time.
True, but you could still overrule the music manager and name the song something different which would signal the change to the central DB.
A few people overruling the manager wouldn't mean much but start getting tens or hundreds of people changing it then the online DB could make the change.
You make a good point though it just seems to be a bit futuristic to me.
Well, there was a time when mobile phones, mobile internet, 4GHz CPUs, 4GB RAM in a home PC etc seemed futuristic... :D
Just because something seems impossible, doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to achieve it. ;) -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 09:40 to the idea "Media Management - More Folder Structure Customization" in Songbird:
dtay, if we have all the music files uniquely identified, we can have their path and filename automatically set to anything we like.
A centralised naming DB will have all info about a music file like artist, track name, album name and number if applicable etc. Then, all you would need to do is specify the naming scheme you want and it's all done for you for all your music.
The point is, everyone wants their files named in a different way and with the system I've described, they can have it. They can even change their mind and have all their files automatically renamed the way they want them. :) -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 09:28 to the idea "Media Management - More Folder Structure Customization" in Songbird:
I constantly have to watch for discrapencies between file/folder names and the metadata.
That's why I made my suggestion. You wouldn't need to monitor for discrepencies since the music manager would rename the folder structure and files in the manner you select. As long as the manager knows what the song/album is, it can get all the information about it from a central DB and name it accordingly.
I would settle for a decent file/folder management system.
That could be an option, make the manager remove all metadata (except for some unique ID identifying the song and tieing it to the central DB reference) and rename the files/folders in a manner you want.
But for folders there needs to be the same flexibility.
couldn't agree more.
I want more information in certain folder names.
I assume you mean:
My naming scheme would be this:
artist / year - album / track - track.ext
But it is just impossible right now.
artist / year - album / track number - track name.ext
but I get your point.
What about single music files, OSTs, compilations etc?
They may have trouble fitting into your scheme but with what I'm suggesting, you could have rules to govern how you name everything, from individual files to OSTs, compilations, podcasts etc. -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 01:23 to the idea "Best method for sorting/organising music files?" in Songbird:
Cool, so maybe some sort of combination of sound analysis, heuristic analysis of the info contained in the filename, metadata etc and online DBs of music will make it possible for your music manager software to take any old mess of music and make it useable... :) -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 00:54 to the idea "Best method for sorting/organising music files?" in Songbird:
Yep, I agree it'd be impossible to make it bullet-proof but using heuristics and maybe sampling anonymous info from all users of songbird (like a mass renaming distributed network, kinda like the folding@home idea) we could get the community working together to make the system as good as can be and set the standard for all players.
Isn't there software that can identify a song when it 'hears' it?
Sure I saw an advert for a service where mobile phone users can call a number, hold their phone to a song playing then after a few seconds, the artist and track name are sent to you... -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 00:37 to the idea "Media Management - More Folder Structure Customization" in Songbird:
I think the best way to make the music manager more flexible is to have a unique ID in every music file you have on your HDD. It could be in the filename and/or the meta-data.
This unique ID is stored in a DB used by songbird to match the track/album to a track/album on the free on-line DBs of music. From that point on, Songbird 'knows' what the track is and can then be used to to some funky things.
It can be told to rename and/or organize your files in way you like, with or without year in the folder name, with or without track numbers etc. As I said in my post over here, Track numbers and album names are only really important when you want to play tracks in order.
Even better, you can get SB to do some renaming on the fly when syncing to MP3 players depending how well your individual player handles meta-data, filenames, folders and playlists etc.
NINJA_EDIT
I forgot to ask:-
I was looking into automatic music collection organization and I'm sure I came across some software that sampled the song and was able to analyze it and identify it by 'listening' to it. There's services you can use on your mobile where you hold your phone up to a song that's playing and the name of the song is sent to you.
Surely that could be used on user's music to identify it and ID it accordingly? -
A comment on the idea "Best method for sorting/organising music files?" in Songbird:
Thanks Laura,
I think it may be ok to leave it as is.
Maybe we can post a link to this thread from that one you linked to? – airchie, on June 23, 2009 00:07 -
airchie replied on June 23, 2009 00:03 to the idea "Best method for sorting/organising music files?" in Songbird:
Hi atreiu, thx for taking the time to read the post and respond.
I'm not sure you fully understood what I was getting at with my suggestion.
I'll try to take what you've said and give my reasoning behind my suggestions.
For me, this would be way to much work. Most ... the metadata is incorrect.
I agree that having a system that would recognize every song/artist/album from a massive collection would be hard but it doesn't mean we should settle for having messy filenames etc.
What I think may work is a heuristics based approach.
Usually, you can glean all kinds of info from the filenames as well as their contents.
So, the automatic manager could scan all metadata, filenames, folder name, playlist info, CUE files etc for info.
Then, once it has a pool of data, it can query the online DBs of music info and try to match artist names and album names etc.
It could then make a guess as to which artist/album it thinks it is.
You could set a percentage threshold and if its certainty is above that it can rename all files correctly, make the correct playlist, make everything tidy and add it to the music library.
Or
Below that threshold, it'll add it to a list of 'uncertain albums' which you can then help it identify before it takes care of the rest.
This however, is a massive job but certainly possible.
We did very similar things in data-mining and machine-learning at uni.
You should rename your files to "tracknumber_-_artist_-_song.ext". It makes many things easier, and some portable players can sort the files by filename only, so if you miss the tracknumber, they will play the songs in the wrong order. Also it is much easier to regenerate a playlist, if you lose it.
Now, the clever part is, if you want to sync to an MP3 player etc that doesn't support playlists, you can have rulesets in the music manager that will rename the files on the fly when syncing to be the format you would prefer on your portable player.
ie
Files on the HDD may be in the format 'artist_-_song.ext' but when you sync it to your mp3 player, you could have the manager rename it on the fly to '01_-_artist_-_song.ext' or 'album/01_-_artist_-_song.ext' or anything you like really.
As I said above, track numbers, album names etc are only really relevant when you want to play the whole album in order.
Sorry for the long post again... :D -
airchie replied on June 22, 2009 12:29 to the idea "Best method for sorting/organising music files?" in Songbird:
Nobody have an opinion? -
airchie shared an idea in Songbird on June 20, 2009 20:41:
Best method for sorting/organising music files?First up, apologies for the long post... :D
I've been grappling with finding the best system for sorting music files on the filesystem and the best folder/file naming convention and think I have a good idea for a way of doing it.
All methods I have seen to date have flaws when dealing with certain scenarios, (like compilations or singles) so I was trying to think of a method that has no issues handling any of these.
I came to the conclusion that the actual MP3 (or FLAC etc) files should be in the following format:
artist_-_song.ext
My reasoning behind this is that this should be enough to uniquely identify every song you have. Track numbers, album names etc are only really relevant when you want to play the whole album in order. Spaces can cause issues with some filesystems and can easily be interchanged with underscores by any sorting application.
Now, in order to handle albums, compilations and OSTs etc, you use playlists. Then the order of songs etc is maintained and your music managing app knows which songs belong to which albums. You can still easily select an album to play from your music manager.
Now, the clever part is, if you want to sync to an MP3 player etc that doesn't support playlists, you can have rulesets in the music manager that will rename the files on the fly when syncing to be the format you would prefer on your portable player.
The only downside I can see to this method is the folder structure.
Would it be better to have the songs all lumped into one folder and album playlists in another?
It would still be easy enough to play songs directly without needing to access the music manager and they would still have their metadata intact.
Anyone care to give me some feedback on this idea.
I'd like to iron out any potential issues that I've missed.
Cheers,
airchie -
airchie reported a problem in Songbird on June 20, 2009 18:00:
Keyboard shortcuts broken for skipping tracks in Jaunty?As the title says, using ctrl+right arrow no longer skips track for me.
Anyone else seeing this?
I'm using SB 1.2 with Ubuntu 9.04 Jaunty 64bit. -
airchie started following the idea "Leading Zeros for Tack numbers" in Songbird.
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airchie started following the idea "Well, I do hate to say it that way... library management" in Songbird.
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airchie started following the question "Songbird Upgrade 1.2 only trouble so far" in Songbird.
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airchie replied on June 20, 2009 17:19 to the idea "Improve Music Manager" in Songbird:
More flexibility with the sorting of music is always gonna be a good thing.
Just hard to get the balance of powerful features and also easy to use for the less competent. :(
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