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A comment on the problem "Explanation appreciated" in Yola:
Every time I access http://PsychedelicTreehouse.com, a text file downloads that contains the following information:
User-agent: *
Sitemap: http://www.psychedelictreehouse.com/s...
Disallow: /classes/
Disallow: /resources/
Disallow: /definitions/
Disallow: /templates/
This has happened 26 times in a row. – Bengo, on March 23, 2009 19:13
Bengo replied on March 23, 2009 05:42 to the problem "Explanation appreciated" in Yola:
I deleted the faulty Synthasite sitemaps from WebMaster Tools, but they say the version stored on your server will still be accessed, meaning I may continue to accrue penalties and damage. Is there an action plan for your customers in this situation?
It is amazing to perceive that you have damaged my PageRank, my analytics and my Webmaster Tools backlinks in less than six months, and have yet to issue an explanation or an apology. I think it's time for your firm to go public with its errors and clear the air. There is no way your firm was handed a check for $20 million from Reinet without benchmarks and funding rounds. Your product has a bright future, but has obviously been hobbled by human error recently. It makes business sense to own up now and get it behind you. We can all name various other fumbles since September. My point is that even non-tech acquaintances in J-burg smell something wrong, so who will be next to know? TechCrunch? I am trying to do you a favor here that you may not deserve on behalf of your product and your customers.
You haven't even fixed the OSX Leopard bug I brought to your attention in December, and I even upgraded my system to match yours so that we could resolve it more quickly.
Recently I heard someone predicted that your firm won't exist in a year. It breaks my heart to see things go this way for you, as I really think you have an ingenious idea and a good start on the execution. I would continue to recommend you if the only contact I get wasn't bumbling staff, Twitter notices of outages -- after they happen -- and snarky comments letting me know you don't need outside help. You're Cape Town people, after all, as I have been repeatedly advised by other South Africans, who regard my efforts as futile. Prove them wrong.
There will be no "Silicon Cape" in this cultural atmosphere. Insularity, feelings of superiority and a lax work ethic may not apply to your firm, but if that is the reputation you have to beat, you better find an alternate economic vision.
Bengo reported a problem in Yola on March 23, 2009 01:06:
Explanation appreciatedThe site map bug shows no sign of being repaired in WebMaster Tools, and the warnings from Google since 3/20 have grown more severe, referencing random pages that have been given 301 redirects throughout the site. Meanwhile, PageRank for all my sites has fallen to 0, or in one case, 2. I am familiar with PR management issues and do not have reason to suspect an on-site cause.
As you know, I am relocating my sites, but I hoped for a more graceful exit, not one in which I had to battle the same bugs for months and letters go unanswered while strange disruptions occur. Can we do better?
Bengo replied on February 21, 2009 19:33 to the question "ZIP Downloads -- A few questions" in Yola:
Thanks, you probably just saved me hours or days of confusion. I actually have the ambitious hope of a complete rebuild for each site, but it's very ambitious and may not be possible, so your guidance is precious.
For the record, for anyone following, let's call it "a parting of ways" when two partners are going in different directions. The actual complaints are just symptoms of different priorities. I don't want to be "the guy who left Synthasite," because that would cheapen the many positive things the company offers zillions of people, and which I have tried to emphasize. I care about others who have found benefit here, and don't want to pull down their experience in any way. Perhaps before too many clients come along who grow their sites quite large, Synthasite will have a specialist for their challenges.
And I am lucky to have friends here who share tips and ideas.
Bengo
Bengo replied on February 20, 2009 18:51 to the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
Bengo replied on February 20, 2009 08:32 to the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
I was thinking I should respect your request for a staff answer, but since it's not coming (yet), I'll tell you what I think, since my sites are to be the core of a business too.
The fact is, you are likely to change you sites a lot over time. If they are small, you can recreate them elsewhere fairly easily, though they are not what I would call "portable." SynthaSite is an easy way to start fast, and the price is right. That's the pro.
The con is that the company is only as good as its people, and the influx associated with record growth has not impressed me (and I have hired and fired and trained hundreds). I would rather be paying a fee to SynthaSite than endure employee arrogance, and I am especially unimpressed by the ones who take offense if you are upset because they gave you a wrong answer with complete confidence. I'm not well-traveled enough to understand if there is a culture clash or what, but on conduct alone, I would continue to plan my departure. They need a grown-up CEO, too.
On tech, I have been waiting and waiting for items that could be installed in a day, and have been tormented by programming issues I have to research and resolve at great time and expense. You can see how those were received: The CEO's "goodbye, get lost" tone is pretty obvious, meaning SynthaSite users face the possible prospect of incorrect analytics data for their sites. That really screwed us up, and though they were kind enough to assign someone from engineering to help us, we weren't impressed. He wasn't awful but he was just good enough to be quite disappointing, and pretty wrapped up in his own world. (He angrily denies this last charge in a letter to me.) Failure to resolve this issue to our satisfaction is one reason we are departing.
For SynthaSite to succeed, they need revenue, and selling fancy editions of templates, styles, widgets, etc. is reasonable. I don't mind paying for them. What I do mind is having to cycle through multiple updates of a 300 page site update without a key style because it just is always coming and never arrives. I can be very patient, but attempts to get a guesstimate have gotten nowhere. This may be sound business policy, but regardless, if did give us a lot of troubles. I would like to see the next updates, but I am afraid they may be like the recently recalled updates: under-tested, with a failure to anticipate some pretty obvious conflicts that would occur.
All this is academic unless you know where to go or how to proceed. I am testing some things I cannot yet report on, so I can't send you anywhere. As a host, SynthaSite has been pretty good, with one major partial outage and some short scheduled stuff. It's pretty much true that all hosts suck and will drive you crazy, so this is a pretty good accomplishment, if you set aside the other issues.
The whole phenomenon of being thin skinned, demanding apologies and then neither reciprocating nor being gracious is new for me, and would kill the deal right there. Other people will get along fine and won't have complex sites that will cause them a lot of stress if SynthaSite staffers ignore their posts because they feel intimidated (a reason given to me).
In a company this size, there have to be a lot of decent ones, but there is also an obvious corporate culture forming that is not going to export well. With respect for founder/CEO Vinny Lingard, I think they should consider a more mature and experienced CEO.
I can't tell you what to do, but I think anyone building a serious site on SynthaSite should have a comprehensive "Plan B" and a full understanding of the time and expense required to change if needed.
Sometimes you need help, and have a great experience. Sometimes you are neglected, cut down to size and left to the vultures. Not knowing which we will get is what has been the most punishing for us.
Good luck with your business. I hope you feel I did my best to be fair, but you must draw your own conclusions. The successes are well known, and did not bear repetition. The complaints should be repeated as long and loud as possible, because getting the message through faces a Gibraltar of resistance. The human resources/engineer chemistry issue is always tough (kind of a left and right brain thing), but that doesn't mean you have to have staff who lose self-control.
Note any of my sites, which have my email, and check in this spring if you want to know what course we chose and how we made out. One is lilnyet.com. (BTW I am not 100% sure we are going to survive this, but we'll try. Our plan to leave is firm.)
Bengo replied on February 20, 2009 06:34 to the question "ZIP Downloads -- A few questions" in Yola:
Appreciate the good, clear answer, but I have a couple followups. Is "properly configured host" something you can easily define for a user (me) or do I want that assessment to be made by a prospective host?
Is there an industry standard configuration that I should refer to when discussing site portability for a site created on SynthaSite?
Bengo asked a question in Yola on February 20, 2009 01:10:
ZIP Downloads -- A few questionsI understand a SynthaSite site downloaded via the ZIP file option can be uploaded to another host that uses PHP.
1. Does any proprietary material of SynthaSite go with the file?
2. If proprietary material is not included,does that mean there is a loss of page structure?
3. Are there provisions made for ZIP transfers to contain elements that would be missing from the editing section, such as headers?
4. Is a transferred ZIP file still truly WYSIWYG, or more of a skeleton of elements that subsequently have to be reorganized via recoding?
5. If a ZIP version of my file is different than an online version of it, is it still "true" that I can take my file with me, or is it more accurate to say I can take my programming, but not most of my architecture?
Thank you for addressing these questions.
A comment on the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
OK, It's come to me, I have a metaphorical story that sums up Synthasite:
You are walking down the street. A Synthasite employee offers you a product. You accept.
They punch you in the nose. You say, "You jerk! What did you do that for?"
The Synthasite employee says, "No answers until you apologize for calling me a jerk."
You apologize. They say, in the snootiest tone known to man, "In the interest of moving forward, we will set aside the fact that you called us a jerk. Would you like some help?"
You say yes.
They punch you in the nose.
Until about 9/1/08, I'd had a good experience for nine months. But the promises were no longer kept, the critical items never delivered, the suggestions disappeared into the black. Frustrated, I had my "You jerk" moment, I was never forgiven for it, and instead of being smart enough to SHUT UP and let me wander on my way, they kept drilling me with that precious attitude until I realized that whatever it is that ails them, they're stuck there, and I am not (for long).
It's that simple. Of course, it's a big group, and some are fine and some are awful, but on average, that's how it has been, and even the ones you think are terrific have a church tone that wouldn't sell fish to starving alley cats if it was used in America.
If the time ever comes when the wagging finger of subhuman scum is pointed at you, my advice is to bite it off.
Over and out. I have found an exciting alternative, and I am eager to test it out. But now you have a very precise version of my adventure. – Bengo, on February 19, 2009 07:07
A comment on the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
Probably not, because it is probably the stats programs are high and GA is about correct. This is the case in the vast majority of comparison studies of GA and other systems, with the exception of Yahoo, which tends to hang pretty close to Google. Ideally, you become pals with a server side analytics expert to check things out, and another one to check the first one. Even experts routinely mis-set server side systems. – Bengo, on February 19, 2009 06:18
A comment on the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
The most honest answer I got was "I can't think of anything that would cause that." Fine. But a bunch of other people can, and from a user point of view it is pretty serious, so why not check it out? Apparently there are too many pride issues involved. Hey, it's not my problem as soon as I get relocated. Even if I am knocked off line for a while, escaping the torment and delays and other annoying behavior will be awesome. – Bengo, on February 19, 2009 05:03
A comment on the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
Ed, these people have caused me enough headaches. I don't mean to be ungrateful, but I don't have time to discuss all the variables that must be isolated for your scenario to be relevant to mine. Synthasite could clear it up in a moment, but they can't lie (fraud, or whatever) and they don't seem to know the facts (some knowledge deficit perhaps). The silence is telling: their pride does not allow a mere user to address a problem that has them stumped, so it gets swept under the rug, like it has been since fall. Along with about three dozen other things that never get fixed, and which cause people to become irate if you dare raise them twice. – Bengo, on February 19, 2009 04:55
Bengo replied on February 19, 2009 02:50 to the problem "Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's Perspective" in Yola:
Ed,
I am the media.
I have perhaps written as much about Synthasite as anyone in the US. I have no problem reporting my experiences publicly, if that will wake people up.
But right now, Synthasite and its incredibly arrogant staff have hurt us badly, and I don't even know how we will recover. Don't be attached to one system, or you are a slave.
I think you are more likely than not misattributing the Webmaster issue to Google. What you describe is rare, and has always been attributable to Synthasite in the past. Maybe my comments weren't clear and maybe I am wrong, but it doesn't ring true to me.
The real problem will be when people wake up to what Synthasite has done with their analytics data. It doesn't show much when you are small, but wait until you discover they were showing you 15,000 bogus visitors. They'll blame Google, but for my analysis, it did not hold up. I remain open to explanation of why they were so negligent, but they are far to proud to answer questions like that from mere customers.
It's quite possible that SS's latest funding is staged or benchmarked. I'll be impressed if they can recover quickly enough from this sequence to get stage two funds released.
You noticed Vinny's PR disaster response to my letter. The fish rots from the head down. Be careful, and thank you for the kind words.
Oh, it just dawned on me, the reason for the weird Vinny response: he's out to dodge a lawsuit. I've put this information in their hands multiple times, I've kept records, they ignored it, and I and perhaps others got squished. They insulated themselves pretty carefully with terms of use, but perhaps not enough to cover up bad actions.
Or perhaps not. I don't sue anyway, I just report.
I strongly recommend all current users demand a tutorial to move from site to ZIP to a fairly universal management template, so they can dress rehearse an emergency escape.
Bengo reported a problem in Yola on February 18, 2009 21:45:
Problems with SynthaSite: One Long Term User Group's PerspectiveNote: I searched and search a a way to submit this privately, across multiple blogs and addresses, and they only took me in circles. Regrets.
This is about problems at SynthaSite that can no longer be handled at the staff level.
Dear Vinny,
We plan to leave SynthaSite. Because many of the issues driving this decision do or will affect other users, I want to leave you with a friendly critique. I hope you will find it of value.
I will be writing on engineering trouble and unresolved issues, with the latter saved for a second letter to avoid distraction from your most urgent problem.
1. Engineering
There is compelling evidence that your setup causes disruptive events to happen in certain areas: Google Analytics, WebMaster Tools, and traffic from sites like Project Wonderful. Engineers (recruited by me from top firms) and I have isolated each element and run tests, and I have retained some of the smartest people I know in the world to assist.
Our theory is that there are problems in the sorting and interpretation of how addresses are received. Specifically, an engineer I retained reports:
"The best thing for Synthasite to do is to consolidate the www.example.com and example.com stats into a single stream of statistics. That's easy for traditional hosts to do because Apache's logging setup bases the target log on the vhost target, not on the request URI (which actually makes it difficult to separate the stats out if you need to do that for some reason), but it sounds like Synthasite is just looking at the domain and doing a strict string match, which is definitely the wrong way to do it.
"At the very least they should be treating www.whatever and whatever as equivalent. The easiest way for them to do that is to always strip out the "www." in the host name."
Without access to the details of your operation, our suggestions must be reviewed by someone who understands both, as a way to confirm or eliminate our theory.
The negative effects we tentatively link to this problem show up first with Google Analytics and WebMaster Tools, and ad sites like Project Wonderful.
Simply put, data reported by SynthsaSite is wrong, and clashes with the data from these other sources. Consider the implications of telling all your users that their analytics data is not reliable. It would seem to be a PR nightmare.
For example, an ad on Project Wonderful reporting 50 hits via their analytics might show only 3 hits on GA (after making suitable adjustments for period and type of data gathered and type of code used, etc.). While some difference is reasonable, a difference of this magnitude is not. But it's common.
We spent several months looking at PW and GA and puzzling before we realized they are the symptoms, not the cause. The owner of PW was extremely concerned and spent numerous hours on this.The cause seems to be faulty reading and reporting at SynthaSite. Comparison with non-SynthaSite GA sites using PW did not duplicate the huge differences in data that we had.
The consequences for this might be disheartening for a small site, but for a large site, they are severe. After cleaning up a few small problems on my sites, we found that a clean test shows huge misrepresentations of data. Recalculation shows I lost 55% of my traffic, 65% of my ad results and untold effects on various GA subreports. I was spending big money on ads and relying on false data to judge their effectiveness. Having isolated the problem and using ad data more carefully, it's clear that I wasted at least two grand on non-performing ads.
As knowledge spread that others, not just me, were losing their WebMaster Tools data and getting anomalies, the common thread was the URL suffix from Synthasite conflicting with the selected suffix by the WT user. As recently as yesterday, your help desk was articulating alternate explanations to clients.
I can't speculate why SynthaSite would make the obsolete "www" the default, but perhaps there are reasons.
I'm sure you appreciate that we feel we have wasted a year of our life with your firm and must rebuild completely. What stings is we had such high hopes, and are disappointed, insulted and disgusted.
Once, people teased us for using SS, but I could see the potential of it being the next WordPress, and more, and said, "Just you wait." Luckily, my friends feel too badly for us now to laugh.
Another comment from our end: "My main issue with www. is just that it's inelegant and a terrible vestige of bygone eras when the web was an experimental academic project, with sites actually having a specific dedicated webserver. These days, since most domains are used solely for web hosting, and in fact most websites don't even have a dedicated server to begin with, calling out "www" specifically is just a dumb bit of miscellani which should have disappeared long ago.
"The least-crappy handling I've ever seen from a major shared-hosting provider is Dreamhost, which allows you to do one of the following:
- www.example.com always redirects to example.com (good idea)
- example.com always redirects to www.example.com (bad idea)
- www.example.com and example.com work exactly the same (terrible idea)
"Having different domains acting the same leads to all sorts of weirdness, especially when it comes to cookies; a cookie for www.example.com is not portable to example.com, for example, and many web application platforms explicitly set the cookie domain (this is why if you go to just projectwonderful.com you can't actually successfully log in, because it's trying to set the cookie for www.projectwonderful.com).
"Distinct subdomains should lead to distinct sites or services or whatever.
"And of course, most external applications are a bit odd about how they catalog subdomains, and there are so many weird hacks out there which try to do the right thing and usually fail miserably. It's not guaranteed that example.com/foo.html and www.example.com/foo.html will be the same page, and if someone prefers the aesthetics of a minimal URL, forcibly adding a www onto any sort of collated stats can be rather upsetting."
2. Unresolved issues of significance
This is an extensive list. I have learned that any list with minor items tends to distract attention from major items, so I will forward this in the future.
3. Attitude
I was going to let this slide. Then I checked my mail today.
There is a "Synthasite attitude." This unsolicited letter is the perfect example:
Hey Bengo,
Thanks as always for keeping us on our toes and demanding excellence and accountability. It is thanks to customers like yourself that we can continue improving our product.
Don't be mistaken - this place is crawling with SynthaSite engineers, which makes it unnecessary for community support to represent anything to us.
Lisa
"We need you, but we really don't." That's it in a sentence. And yet, four months of warnings about profound structural issues have gone unaddressed.
I have 700+ pages of web sites with you. I bet the average is more like five or ten. There is time before the problem blooms on the small sites, but how will you handle it if it blooms on 100 sites, and the media take an interest? Feel free to prove us wrong, but at least resolve whatever the cause is before people get hurt.
Our main SS sites are
psychedelictreehouse.com
lilnyet.com
scratchinpostcomics.com
I would appreciate if some angry staffer doesn't cripple them before we find a new home.
A comment on the idea "How I Got High Google Page Ranks with Synthasite" in Yola:
Hi Ticho, glad to know you are making progress since we talked. Take a look at the templates that do not have defined borders. (I am sorry, but I am not an expert with the terms to use.) They are often mostly white. The effect they have is that the horizontal borders have no edges -- they just repeat after a certain point. "Liquid layouts" is the most professional team, but I don't know if these fully qualify, because though I begged for some for months I can't use any of these. They are all hobbled in some way. That doesn't mean they won't work for you. I think they are saving the best editions as premiums, meaning for a modest fee you can buy them. This is what Vinny, the CEO, said to me the other day, and it would explain why I have been waiting over six months for something so simple to deliver. In general, I suggest you consider the simplest, most versatile styles and modify them on your site, rather than try to force one to do something it is not designed for.
You can put a banner on a style that does not have a dedicated site for a banner. Pick a plain one, and install your banner as an image. On some, you will find the image sets too low, but on others it can work. Play with different styles, and remember, if you have a blank field, you can install anything you want. Look at Red Planet, which I use on two sites. It has a banner and lots of room to work. Make "test" sites and erase them before you commit.
Best,
Bengo – Bengo, on February 18, 2009 09:55
Bengo replied on February 18, 2009 09:26 to the question "Caps in page names" in Yola:
Regarding Monique's comment about engineer consideration. Nothing personal, Monique, but HELLO. Good engineers would have anticipated this, and irate customers at the time were told simply that the default was altered. I was one of them.
You must be aware that many of us skip the help desk because it doesn't represent our interests to engineering and it doesn't provide timely and efficient answers to puzzles created by engineering.
Also, those were not server logs you were given to send me. Someone had a little joke on you. If you still want to send them, it will speed our analysis of the design flaws in your server base, but I think the engineers I brought in to work on it are going to be finished shortly anyway, and ready to submit a report.
If I was a consultant, I would bill SynthaSite roughly $65,000 for the work we are doing. Not for you -- but for the people who build playhouses and cooking help sites and who can't even get accurate metrics for their efforts because of corporate arrogance. That would include a token amount to reimburse me for the year we lost by making a bad choice.
Bengo replied on February 18, 2009 09:12 to the question "Caps in page names" in Yola:
Grace,
If it's any comfort, my sites are a sad mix of CAPS and lower case names because a while back SynthaSite changed it so new names would all default to lower case. I have about 700 pages in this mess, though I change them to lc whenever I can. I assumed the reason was xml compatibility but now that I consider it, I don't remember if a reason was ever announced. There are probably many of us who named pages before the change and have either had to deal with legacy issues or bit the bullet and revamped all the page names.
Yet another example of how unilateral engineering decisions impact the customer and even the help desk doesn't seem aware of it. (I don't even speak to them any more, having found it likely only to generate a lecture about my conduct because I am fed up and say so.)
Don't forget to download your sites (all of you readers) periodically, because you never know what will happen.
Bengo
A comment on the question "301 Redirects -- useful, or wasteful?" in Yola:
It sounds like you are talking about WebMaster Tools links, since you say "6 months worth." Is this so?
If so, relax. For a site on WT dashboard listed as "example.com," add a new version called "www.example.com." Then see if your links reappear. You can leave the old version until you are confident, then delete it, as you can always add it again later.
This information is from WT help forum, where I had to turn after this happened to me and I found no relief in traditional channels. It would be no big deal, but I've only been trying to explain the problem for about 3-4 months. Forwarding your subdomain to a purchased domain is a typical prior event, as no one bothers to check what domain variant you are using. Perhaps this is to comply with a standards issue, but it would seem simple enough to have a draft advisory out so that customers stop having heart attacks. – Bengo, on February 17, 2009 20:21
Bengo replied on February 16, 2009 02:00 to the idea "How I Got High Google Page Ranks with Synthasite" in Yola:
@Casey,
You probably haven't encountered any of my writing on that topic, which is completely understandable. Let me just say, I agree with you. Building a web-centered effort is no task for the lazy or the sloppy, though SynthaSite does make many things easier than they've ever been before.
Best,
Bengo
Bengo replied on February 14, 2009 22:38 to the idea "How I Got High Google Page Ranks with Synthasite" in Yola:
Users: Beware of people prowling SynthaSite threads and offering to send your site traffic for a fee, or for purchase of a product.
With the possible exception of hiring a consultant with good credentials, traffic is free, and people who charge for it are not worth your time. Worse, their gimmicks may get you traffic, but are likely to get you in trouble with Google and be of low value anyway -- visitors, real or phony, who just bounce off right away.
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