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And how about some campaign slogans. A vote for 4 is a vote for honesty. Do you believe in Hope if so vote for 4. Do you want change then vote for 4.
Should I start my own 527 so I can begin running campaign commercials. Please we need some campaign finance rules. I got a butt load of hubdub cash.

Well the vote in itself is problematic. Using Nigels example. Option 3 would be implemented even though only 1 out of 6 voters chose that option. Doesn't seem very democratic.
So now should we initiate a campaign. I thought the idea of extending it this far was that there were only users who came in on weekends and different days of week, so now we excluding all of them.
This problem should be solved by the admins at Hubdub. There are 10 of them. I suggest they each get a vote, and post the results and move forward. Using the new proposed rules would ban him. This is getting ridiculous.

Okay now that I have had a minute to read this. You are saying that we are all encouraged to game the site until we are caught once, then we get our little email warning. That isn't doing anything to discourage cheating, it is encouraging it.
If a person is suspected of gaming and evidence shows gaming was attempted or completed, thier account should immediately be reset to 1k. They should be warned, and told on thier next instance of gaming they will be banned.
This way the users are not rewarded for gaming the system. Under your proposed rules, if I gamed the system for 100k, I would lose 50k, but not til after 2nd offense, that is just way too lenient.

I commented on the link that Nigel posted. But want to post here again, that I don't feel this should be put to a vote. According to Nigel in his statement this is the 3rd time. I ask everyone to put forth a united front. What we want is simple, a system in which users are rewarded for being honest, penalized for being dishonest and management to be there to police the markets.

I AM STILL ON STRIKE !!!!!! I WILL NOT VOTE ON THIS STUPID QUESTION, it is just another great opportunity for Satayki and all his "creativeness" to find a way to manipulate the system again.

There has been 72 hours of discussion, the last thing we need is another 24 hours, in which satayki and all of his creative skills can be implemented to reduce his penalty.
I am on strike until Satayki is dealt with and think the idea of creating a question with user votes is suspect. If Satayki has been caught three times, then banning is appropriate. Period end of sentence. Ban him so those users who are honest can return to this site and help build it to what it should be.

Okay first I appreciate that Nigel has updated the status. I would love to know what insight "newscollector" can add. Please, let the admins who have the ability to research what wagers were made at what times, what wagers were cashed out at what times, and all the other tools at thier disposal. I don't believe newscollector can add anything to this at all. He has already blindly accused everyone in the top 5 of cheating, mentioned specifically crudsy of cheating, and has said that he doesn't know what has happened. Just because you have nothing else to do, doesn't mean you should stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, leave this to those with access and not taking the bias views you have already made.
The hubdub community has already been incredibly involved with proposing ideas, as far as looking at this in a American criminal trial situation, we have a confession, so the guilt phase is over with. We are now in sentencing phase, and are looking for mitigating and aggrevating factors. To address the idea that this is all over the last $8350 or whatever he made from those 5 questions is not the point, that is just a prime example found by a user who had no access to all his trades. We have all spoken what we feel the punishment should be for this particular case, and what process we would like in the future. As to functionality to address gaming, there are many ideas that have been floated on this thread and others. No reason to restate those again. The hubdub community is very good when asked at coming up with ideas, look at the interest during the quarterly change over that took place. Look at the interest in the rules questions that are placed on here for review.

Good points Skipper. I just don't think gamers need 3 strikes. I mean if they don't get the message after the first warning, are they really going to get it after the second. I also think a user after first warning should be reset to 1k, so they start over fresh and can either do it right or don't do it at all. If a user starts at 1k, then games up til they get 50k, and you take 50% away they still have 25k, through gaming. I say reset them to 1k after 1st offense, ban them after 2nd.

Just want to provide an update. I am still on STRIKE. I will only return to Hubdub if the admins remove the user from thier site. They can choose to have honest users or cheats, they will not get both of us. To those that have supported this position I appreciate the support. I understand the feelings many are having. For the newer members that haven't experienced the months of the cheating being rubbed in our faces, I wish I had your youthful optimism. For the user that cheated I wish you well, I just know I can no longer participate in a website in which you are a member.
To Nigel and the other admins, this situation is growing out of hand. You have an amazing group of users who have amazing ideas, but yet you don't seem to solicit thier responses. Working with the community is the best way. You throw out an idea for solving gaming and then don't stay involved in the process. I hope that you are learning from your experiences, and will learn to rely on the community to help guide this website to a better place.
So again you are allowing some of your top users to sit on the sidelines while you do nothing. Please step in and solve the problems.

Destry - I AM ON STRIKE

I think the gaming policy should be short and sweet.
First offense - Account reset to 1k. All positions taken over by Hubdub so not to negative impact markets. 14 day ban on creating questions. 30 day probation period in which banner is on account, and all activities are made public.
Second offense - Account is banned. IP address is Banned. Positions taken over by Hubdub.
Gaming questions is not something that is done accidentally, it is something done with intent. A person that games one market is likely to game many markets. I don't want a community in which gamers are allowed to operate.
If newscollector or other users feel that everyone cheats, then they should find another website to frequent. Some of us make our money the right way. Investing heavy in markets in which we believe outcome is positive. We also take risks, I had over 30k invested in the Google / Yahoo questions which I narrowly won. With great wealth comes larger wins and losses. I have almost 75k in the Obama dropping out question. I have about 40k in the Hillary winning the PA primary. I have another 20k in Obama having most pledged delegates. I expect to win all those positions, each of them is currently undervalued, but that is some of the risks we take in order to continue to move up the leaderboard. None of those are instances of gaming. I took advantage of market fluctuations in get good return percentages, but none of those were done in a way in which gaming occured.
Some users like Crudsy spends alot of time researching starting odds when creating questions, and we should acknowledge the expertise that goes into creating solid questions. I feel that gaming will continue to be on the decline as users are more aware of a strict policy, and restrictions put in place to help limit gaming.
For now I sit on the sideline and await what I hope is a satisfactory solution to this process. I feel personally that I will only return to the Hubdub site if the user is banned from participating. That is me personally, if others feel the same, that is up to them. I want the admins to know that they can have an honest user or a cheat, they can't have us both.

When a decision as simple as this can't be reached within 24 hours, it is no wonder our other concerns are not being dealt with. This is a clear cut case of cheating. We have a confession. How many more people does it take to convince the admins to do the sensible thing. A simple ban of this user, allows the entire community to put this behind us and move forward. The drawing out of this process, just gives users more time to stew over a horrible situation.

Jenni great comments. I think the difference between my view and yours is that I have been here since he did it the first time. Then the punishment was a 50% penalty and what we were told was a warning. Now the cheating which has been going on and on in tons of other markets other than the ones Rohan pointed out, is just the culmination of an entire history of cheating. There comes a time to draw a line in the sand, with this user this is the time, and these are the conditions.

Well now the Admins have a formal confession. Can we please ban this user, so the rest of the community can make Hubdub what it should be, and not dominated by one confessed cheater.

The $8350 is just the latest example in a long line of cheating. You cheated. You have been cheating. You can't compete without cheating, therefore you cheated. It is simple. You love all this attention, that is why you are still doing it, why you didn't stop after the first time you got caught. Now you are simply making the site worthless for everyone else. Obviously Nigel loves you, and the fact you use all thier stupid social networking features, so keep enjoying, god knows none of the admins have the balls to stop you.

This resolution is nothing more than a restatement of the policy that led me to go on strike in the first place. If you don't want to take serious action against a known gamer, who has not gamed the system once, or twice, but daily. Even creating questions after this latest instance.
I am still on STRIKE. I am so flabbergasted that the admins are catering to his behavior, allowing to take place. There are no rules against someone hacking your site and stealing millions of hubdub dollars, would we not ban a user that did that. Some acts require stiff penalties.
You are encouraging cheating. It is a slap in the face to those users who read, research, and do things honestly to move up the leaderboard. Back in the day you rewarded people for turning in cheaters, now you are rewarding people for cheating.
There is no way you didn't know this cheating was occuring many of your admins readily admitted they were aware and were on the lookout.
What a cowardly way to try to handle such a situation.

Well I disagree strongly with the decision. There were no gaming rules in place when Hubdub fined this user the first time. Everyone was in favor of it then, and I guess it just was assumed that another instance, much less dozens of instances of cheating, would be enough to ban this user.

Well it is self defeating if users create questions even if they are about this situation. The idea is to not create questions, wager on markets, until Hubdub decides if they want us as users. Please move any questions about playing Hubdub to another thread.

For anyone want to reach me privately feel free to do so at yahoo, screen name destry71, aim screen name destry28, or email destry71@gmail.com
I look forward to hearing more from everyone. I guess we will have to decide on sayings for the signs, and determine who is going to picket the offices at what time.

I urge all members who would want to get into a debate with sd, that what he is obviously looking for is debate. I choose to associate with those players in which I have respect. So for those that wish to feed into his need for attention, do so at your own risk, I hope you do it on another thread, I don't want this one getting watered down with the rantings of a cheater.

This isn't about cricket it is about gaming, it is about cheating. . Take your behavior to another website where people can think you are "cool"... I have no time or energy to put up with your behavior. If hubdub allows you to continue on thier site, I will not participate. I am not alone.

Well it has been going on for a while. His account was penalized by 50% once before for gaming. He has continued to do it, creating many questions in which either the outcome was already known (roadies), or creating questions in which starting odds were way off, then profiting from them. Many admins were told all along, as each form of gaming was noticed, admins claimed to be watching. Finally while researching the new questions created, I noticed a distrubing pattern, and then rohan posted a question in which many links were posted showing obvious signs of gaming. Emails were sent to hubdub admins, and they were "looking" into it. What many users quickly saw as gaming and cheating, the admins took a while to determine, and then there big action was to do nothing more than post a silly message on his account, saying he was suspected of cheating. Most of us users have been growing dissatisfied with the lack of action, and finally after seeing that Nigel proposed ridiculous rules in which his account would not be penalized, we have reached the limit of tolerances. I decided at that point after reading many comments from other users that a STRIKE was necessary. If the hubdub admins decide they want to keep satayki, they the do so at the cost of other users. We are leaving this in the hands of Hubdub admins. They can simply ban his account, ban his IP, delete any future accounts he attempts to open or that are opened, and return the focus of Hubdub to creating a website that caters to the honest users.