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Well Kruijs, I think that while the above exchange was a bit funny, it is also a very real thing on Hubdub. The amount of gaming that goes on is very relevant and if new users are on the lookout for it, they can flag it as they see it. Maybe then we can get the admins to do more to stop it, reprimand those that have done it, and keep this site clean. Nothing frustrates users more than knowing they are playing fair and those above them are there because of gaming the site. That is much worse than the difference in wealth among players.

I think everyone can acknowledge that the weekly gain % leaderboard is going to be easier to be on if you have little amount of cash. Which I think is the purpose of the leaderboard.

This might be a completely american thing to say, but I feel that having the freedom of speech means that I am willing to let others say things in which I find offense. With that said there are exceptions for speech which would create hate or violence. I think we all know and attempt to use some common decency. However I believe that when things are mildly offensive we must do our best to understand our right to speak our opinions are born out of allowing others that same right.

Rohan, you can simply use questions in which the percentage is 90+ to invest in that you are certain of outcome. Will britany move in with hiedi, will obama drop out of race, there are good questions to put money into, tie it up for a month make 7-8% on it and still have access to it as well. I think the reason so many at the top were open to ideas is because they are very active on the site, enjoy what it has been, want to see it continue to grow. I think most of them enjoying the fact that there is no scaling or redistribution is they were okay with whatever it took to grow the site. I have different ideas of what it takes to make the site incredible.
I too could have large amounts of cash, but instead I look for questions and wager on them. With 240, 000 that is only 24 questions placing 10k on each of them. I have about 65k in the obama question, 30k in the pennsylvania primary outcome, another 30k in the which will end higher at end of month google or yahoo. Taking big risks make for good results, and if I lose a few of them well I stll got quite a bit of money. I have taken to wagering more on sports questions than I use to.
I love being an active member on this site. I like that the admins (most of them) are very open to suggestions, and they really care of the success of the site as well. I think it would be great if there was an admin schedule so that someone was covering site 24 hours a day. That way issues could be resolved fairly quickly, quesitons that were obvious gaming could be voided (and the user REPRIMANDED).

Since this is unofficial can I ask why people need this redistribution plan. When I signed up the leader had 20 times what I had to start. Does bill gates having billions of dollars makes people who are opening up businesses think I can't do this. No it inspires them to what can be done. I think this redistribution plan is being pushed by those on the bottom of the leaderboards (or not on it at all) and if they spent the same amount of time trying to research news that they are crying about not having any money, they would be well off. For example, the American Idol question about who was going to be voted on yesterday, with 10 minutes of research they could have seen it was going to be a coin flip between kristi and amanda, well looking at the question it was 80% for kristi cook and 8% for amanda. Well placing a 100 bet on amanda would have netted what 1200 bucks. That is what I did, others could have done the same. Crudsy is prime example he is doing excellent job still generating huge % returns and that is harder to do with alot of hubweath (thanks for the term anaverageamerican).
I think as a hubdub community we could simply stand up and say we like the current system.

First and foremost what hasn't ever been talked about here is what did Hubdub plan on doing at the end of the quarter. Did they not envision that some users would pull out to large lead? I feel like we are trying to come up with ways to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Part of me wants to believe that we are using this quarterly change over as a way to put everyone back on even ground. I am opposed to taking away the earnings of anyone. I am less than half of what crudsy has but I still get on here everyday thinking that with hard work, little bit of luck, I can catch up. I think the chase is part of the fun.
I want to say that I am against all plans for scaling, resetting or otherwise. If Hubdub wants to do that and feels it is in the best interest of thier website, then they are more than welcome to. The admins at hubdub have to do whatever is best for the overall progression of thier website. I won't be a part of it, but losing one user and gaining thousands more is a worthwhile trade off.
I have stated earlier that I just always assumed at the end of the quarter the quarterly leaderboard would just have my profits from the beginning of that period. I figured there would be an overall leaderboard. I like the friends leaderboard, and would hope that it can be viewed quarterly and overall. I will still only concern myself with the overall leaderboard. When looking at the reasons stated by tom in original post, I don't have a problem with having large amount of cash, I have gotten use to the market swings when I put down a bet.
I admire that level of thought and effort that most on here are giving to come up with a plan. I wish you nothing but the best. I will be staying on the sidelines for next couple days just watching to see what happens. I will be happy to chime in where asked. I am sad to see that there was no plan for this event.
I am shocked we haven't seen more admins weigh in on this.

Cashing out markets would create serious problems, there are alot of longer term markets that I am in with huge investments (20-30k) that are greatly undervalued, because when I buy in I move the market up, and simply cashing in those positions would net me a huge loss even though there is high probability I will be able to wait to settlement and profit.
I think what we are seeing on here is that those at the top of the leaderboard are active on the site, therefore they are commenting and overall not liking the idea of being reset or rescaled. I think that punishing those of us who worked very hard, made some great investments, didn't game the system, seems very detrimental to the site. When I signed up I the leader had a great deal of money, many others have come and gone since. I worked hard and am extremely frustrated that there is even consideration of taking away the fruits of my time and energy.
There are several things that would happen if things were reset, either the leaders would re-emerge because they are actually participating and know what it takes to make money, or some gamers would be able to make some quick cash, move up leaderboard and then the whole community gets to be reminded daily of why gaming stinks. The site already is set up to reward smaller bets rather than larger ones. Take questoins with 10 different options, a person can "wheel" all the options for $50 or 100 dollars on each and end up regardless of outcome making 10% or more on thier money. But if I do that with $1000 dollars on each, because of the percentage market movements with a bigger investment I can't guarantee a success. Having more money just means our wins and losses are bigger. I enjoy competing, and I think this site would be greatly diminished by resetting accounts, or scaling accounts. I also can't believe we are waiting til 11 days before month ends to have a discussion about this.

In reply to Toms question and ignoring the pics - sd back and forth, I am at a 2, I am rounding up, I think I am like a 1.6 but will give it the benefit of doubt.

So maybe what they are looking for is alternate proposals. So here goes. I propose that we simply leave things the way they are. When the new quarter starts the quarterly leaderboard shows gains or losses, accrued from April 1st on. I would like a leaderboard that showed total from all quarters, current quarter, and friends (as many as I can sucker into accepting the offer).
The effort of those who have spent countless hours building thier wealth shouldn't be reset or rescaled. I haven't placed a single wager today because I am not certain I will continue using Hubdub with these new guidelines that are being proposed.
I remember when I started with my account and the top of the leaderboard looked a mile away, but through smart play and lots of time and effort, I built my way toward the top. If we so worried aobut them seeming overwhelmed, why not just increase the starting amount of cash and scale up everyone to that level. Maybe we start everyone at 10k, and those users who are already members just add 9k to thier account to even it up. That way everyone can have cash to push markets around if they want.

i thought that by adding the top users and then my friends who don't have alot of money I could keep track of them all, but leaderboard doesn't allow that. And without being able to shout to people who aren't on friends list, another reason to add them.

I am not sure if I should keep posting my thoughts as I have them or wait a day and post them all. I know for me having a large amount of cash means I have bigger wins and bigger losses. I really am giving this alot of thought and really think resetting or rescaling everyone every quarter seems to be wrong. I just assumed that at the end of the quarter we would continue on, but the leaderboard (quarterly gain) would show the profits we had from April 1st on. I assumed we would be able to see the previous quarter results, as well as an overall leaderboard. Speaking of leaderboards, why have a friends leaderboard if it is limited to top 20 people.

I think the priority should be sorting questions based on categories. I will read some news and then wonder where my predictions are on certain topic or category. The page takes a while to load and the predictions on the same question need to be grouped together. I have gone back to the old prediction screen, I would like to see what the current odds on the question are from the prediction screen.

Something just doesn't feel right about this whole idea. A system that penalizes winners, rewards losers, seems wrong. We all started wtih 1,000 and some of us were able to spend considerable time and effort to grow that money. I have to say that while I haven't given this alot of thought, I just get a bad feeling about it.

sorry didn't mean anything bad by that. I saw you two had a lengthy conversation on some question and figured you were friends.

Hey rohan, it is your boy satayki that seems to be writing them all...

Thank you crudsy. Hopefully Hubdub finds a way to let me add crudsy even though he don't add me. I propose a 3 strike rule for gamers. Strike one a warning posted on thier profile that is available for all users to see, only removed after 30 days of no gaming activity. Strike two thier account reset to initial starting balance and a 7 day period of no wagering. Strike three a complete ban of thier IP. I believe that all funds from gaming questions should be removed and immediately. I think gamers should also be limited from creating questions as well.

well i am glad it just not me that he isn't adding. I guess he is too busy kicking our butts on here to add us.

I have said over and over again that these questions should be banned. I email Tisha daily asking her to void them all. I found the survivor spoilers and posted them in the comment section of each question so all would know. I asked for all of them to be voided. I could have made mad money, but I would rather slowly move up leaderboard than move up by gaming site. I have to say I like being in top 5 (and it sucks that I am in 6th thanks to a gamer).
And crudsy would you please add me as a friend. I have everyone else on the leaderboard top 15 on there, but you. I hate having to check site wide leaderboards to see how great you are doing.

I think any question that doesn't have clear settlement details should be voided. Maybe these questions should be allowed only if they say at a particular time of day and a screen shot could be taken.