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jenniandboys replied on April 05, 2008 02:54 to the discussion "Proposed new procedure for dealing with gaming" in Hubdub:

In this and many other threads tonight, the language is clearly getting more and more heated. I wonder what will be in my inbox when I get up tomorrow morning?

Here's (just two of) my thoughts:
1) Users do not feel Hubdub is taking a proactive role in curbing gaming. The anger at Satyaki is turning to anger at the admin's perceived lack of response.
2) Satyaki's continued active presence today (commenting, new questions, etc) seems to many to be a blatant disregard of the rules and his warning. (I personally take it as the actions of a teenage boy who's been backed into a corner, but that's a matter of interpertation).

On #1:
In the past most (all?) gaming issues have been handled behind the scenes. The only reason we know of satyaki's previous trouble is that he told us. We have no idea if/how often this has happened in the past. Some confirmation from the admins that they take this seriously and devote energy to detecting gaming would help.

On #2:
I think it unlikely that he will voluntarily fade into the background (humility is not a strength of most teens) and therefore would hope that a temporary suspension of privileges at least might be in order.

One final thought, this is still pretty new. The admins have never dealt with Spitzer, windchill or Indian Cricket League before. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt, discuss this civilly and we'll all learn something in the process.

jenniandboys replied on April 04, 2008 22:57 to the discussion "Proposed new procedure for dealing with gaming" in Hubdub:

Nigel - I would restrict the question creation sooner than stage 4. Maybe anyone on the public watchlist can't create questions? Creating questions is tricky and assumes the absolute best of intentions by the creators -- not a safe assumption in the case of known gamers.

jenniandboys replied on April 04, 2008 20:20 to the problem "Suspend v Settlement Times" in Hubdub:

Was going to stay out of this as I have little new to add, but perhaps another voice of agreement is still helpful.

I started off as a news predictor. I picked the couple of topics I was interested in and said what I thought was going to happen. After a couple of weeks, I had about 1200$ and my husband had over 4000$.

Now I play the markets with most of my $ and keep smaller bets in the 'prediction' questions. (Of course he's still kicking my butt, but its less embarassing now).

Those who don't have the time or inclination to play some of the more active markets will have very little chance of making it onto the leaderboard. I like some of the suggestions here about having some kind of "accuracy" leaderboard for questions you stuck with into settlement -- but not sure how that might be implemented with hedged bets... Still some other way to reward people for the long term bets is a nice idea.

All that to say, I think there's plenty of room in hubdub for both kinds of questionns and all kinds of players.

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jenniandboys replied on April 03, 2008 14:17 to the discussion "Participation declining?" in Hubdub:

I made this suggestion somewhere else, but figure I can bring it up again now... I've had the same difficulty paging through the 17 pages of politics questions to find interesting ones.

Generally the questions that get pulled to the front are the ones where users are "sure" of the answer. The markets that people are less sure about get 20-50$ bets on them (or 3$ in my case.. I'm poor) and thus don't ever get seen with a 'most active' metric.

What if we implement a digg or rating feature to bring interesting questions up higher. If we have some way of rating good questions seperate from the amount of $ we're willing to put on them, it may help elevate some of the good questions currently in oblivion and lower some of the stupid questions that are higher than they should be just because its easy to make money on them.

Also once you start having ratings you can then sort by questions you've highly rated (and probably want to keep checking up on) new questions with a high average user rating (and probably want to check out) and very low rated questions (which you will no longer have to waste your time reading through).

jenniandboys replied on April 02, 2008 20:21 to the problem "DialIdol and other horrible internet applications" in Hubdub:

A couple of thoughts:
My husband and I talked this over at lunch (mm... McDonalds!) and I'm feeling less like the sites are deal breakers. If we provide links to dialidol in the background it doesn't give an unfair advantage since its available to everyone. The big $ will still be in predicting the losers before the performance show and then after the show you can use the dialidol rankings to make more informed decisions.

Buckeyeguy, I like a lot of your ideas but they're less of a prediction and more of a lottery. I think the fun of betting on shows you like is that you have an opinion about it. That said, I think there's room for more than just the "who's going home" question, so feel free to make some more.

jenniandboys reported a problem in Hubdub on April 02, 2008 14:15:

DialIdol and other horrible internet applications

My heart breaks a little to bring this up, but the restriction to limit ourselves to live shows seems to have hit a snag.

When I saw Ramiele up to 90% I finally went to go find some of the websites Destry was talking about and they're pretty proud of their 100% prediction rate so far this year. I find that pretty discouraging. They also work on Dancing with the Stars and So You Think You Can Dance (my absolute favorite show of the year!).

I see a couple options, would love to hear if anyone else has any other ideas:
1) We eliminate all TV shows (and leave entertainment bereft of anything interesting)
2) We push the suspend date to BEFORE even the preformance show. You'd be betting on past performances and base popularity.

#2 Seems like the only real option to me, but I stil don't like it.

Words cannot describe how sad this makes me.. :( even the emoticon isn't enough...

Once the world of politics dies down a little bit I'm going to be hardpressed to find questions I'm excited to bet on if we can't figure out a good solution here. Comments, thoughts?

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jenniandboys replied on March 21, 2008 16:40 to the discussion "Roadies, Survivor and Apprentice (oh, my!)" in Hubdub:

I'm happy. Thanks for the response.

jenniandboys replied on March 21, 2008 14:55 to the discussion "Tits!" in Hubdub:

One of the flags was mine... I found the tone of the question offensive. "Tits are cool"? That doesn't sound like a news story to me.

If it had been worded:
"So far QikStream has been pretty G-rated and profits have been low. More graphic content will likely increase their revenue -- will they do it?" I would have had absolutely no problem with it. But the way the question was asked was a little crass in my opinion. The second question was as Jerry mentioned just using a word in the english lexicon.

The use of the word in my opinion is not offensive, just the context.

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jenniandboys replied on March 21, 2008 02:09 to the discussion "Leaderboard end-of-quarter changes" in Hubdub:

4d, AAA - I did ask Tom about this (somewhere up above) and he said they 'were taking care of it'. Its worth asking for more clarification but clearly they want to make sure the market doesn't shift artificially due to the scaled h$.

Tom - I'm in for a 7

jenniandboys replied on March 20, 2008 19:38 to the discussion "Leaderboard end-of-quarter changes" in Hubdub:

satyaki - obviously the 200k+ to 20k drop most of you guys (gender inclusive slang) are taking is big...

... changing direction of thought ...

I was just thinking that the huge drop only effects a tiny percent of the hubdub population and will bring you guys back more in line with the rest of the crowd. Maybe that's not an accurate assumption... I'm guessing you admin types have looked at the distribution of wealth already? Hopefully you have used the current distribution to come up with your 1,2,5,20k divisions?

jenniandboys replied on March 20, 2008 17:58 to the discussion "Leaderboard end-of-quarter changes" in Hubdub:

Seems like 5k to 20k is a pretty big jump... Maybe add another level at 10 or 13k? Having a 15k advantage over every one else it seems like the same group will continue to dominate.

On to the next important discussion... what do we call the bands?!

jenniandboys replied on March 20, 2008 16:47 to the discussion "Leaderboard end-of-quarter changes" in Hubdub:

Tom - Scaling back all of the users at once seems like it will cause absolute havoc in the markets. That's kind of what I was getting at with my first question about implementation details... Have you given thought to freezing the markets for a little while or not letting people cash out for 5 hours or... something?? It seems like it will artificially change all of the markets.