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jimbo replied on April 07, 2008 18:33 to the problem "Politics Market Settlement" in Hubdub:
I agree with BC on this matter. Any resignation or firing now could easily be attributed to any numbers of reasons for such a high profile editor as Bill Kellor, and furthermore those reasons may be public knowledge or not. Worth bearing in mind is that for whatever reason, this story is now off the news agenda and seems unlikely to rear its head for the next 12 weeks or the foreseeable future. The time for a sacking has passed and it looks unlikely he'll be resigning anytime soon.-
jimbo started following the problem "Conrad Black: Does this market have an outcome discussed in mainstream media?" in Hubdub.
jimbo replied on March 17, 2008 15:55 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
jimbo replied on March 17, 2008 15:48 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
jimbo replied on March 17, 2008 15:43 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
Hey Fingers of Fury, can I rename you Fists of Fury?
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/sh...
Tisha, this case lacks mathematical logic in addition to evidence from a online news source that indeed they didn't reach a million signatures.
Get it was gamed eh Fists of Fury? Who would've bothered hacking
the site to produce insane figures? Let's ask Diaego, who are sure to
confirm they were f""""ed over locally by a hacker to produce a false
result. I'm kidding of course. Just a joke! How on earth can we confirm that a corporate website was either hacked or deliberately gamed by Diaego to produce PR hype?
Anyway, can we settle for "No" - I'd like my $303. BTW Fists of Fury, how much did you have staked on this? A thousand? How would you receive if the outcome was indeed a million signatures? just for the record. Or did the jump on the graph from 30% to 90% indicate a bigger stake? i should've jumped in them with my no eh?
jimbo replied on March 17, 2008 06:46 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
It's now 264K or so. 15 hours ago it was 250. This works out to about 1000 or so an hour signatories. To reach a million signatures, it'll take roughly 40 days. At that rate, it'll take 13 months to reach 10 million.
This March 4th article suggests there were about 94,000 signatories at that time (906,000 needed)
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/blogs/b...
Possibly the extra signatories were from a count done from pubs.. and added online - who knows? Guinness does, and I'm sure they'll publish final figures one they submit the petition in a day or so, US time.
http://www.silive.com/newsflash/index...
jimbo replied on March 16, 2008 19:59 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
jimbo replied on March 16, 2008 19:18 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
I mailed a friend in Texas, he checked online and it now lists 249,481.
I'd like the questioned resettled as "no".
http://proposition317.com/stpats.html
jimbo replied on March 16, 2008 15:54 to the question "Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubpro" in Hubdub:
Hi Tisha.. it's midnight now here in Tokyo, and I just hopped online, signed the peitition, and that site listed 243,915 signatures. (so its going up as I type this...) I guess its possible the servers handling asia for this website haven't been updated this weekend hence the difference. Still... something seems wrong. If proposition 3-17 did get a million signatures, wouldn't it be a news item by now? This means St Paddy's day would go before the Congress to be considered as a legit public holiday. The site lists the number of people who have signed it - I think it's only necessary to sign in the birthdate to access the page that lists the number of people who have signed. It shouldn't matter where you access the website - the information should reflect globally the same information, unless of course there's been a local hack (which won't reflect globally).
Tisha, can we leave this open for a few days? Something isn't adding up - perhaps the servers need to "update" my end (but I doubt this is the problem). Wouldn't it be news if it was successful? Could we have other sources verifying this outcome?
What do you think?
jimbo asked a question in Hubdub on March 16, 2008 14:52:
Proposition 3-17 - only 757,000 more signatures needed!!! but not according to Hubdubprohttp://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_G...
The settlement on this was incorrect. if http://proposition317.com/ is used as one guide, then my research indicates only 242,427 people have signed the petition online.
There is no news online at all to support that this petition was successful. I think this blog
summarise the situation correctly:
http://blog.synthesis.net/2008/03/05/...
Googling "Proposition 3-17", "Guiness Stout proposition 3-17" etc yield almost no response at all. Given that if succesfull the USA will have then a new public holiday, I think we can assume it would've struggled onto the global wire services?
Why was this settled as yes? Even 30 seconds of research would indicate
1. The question probably cannot be settled yet due to a lack of supporting news services either way.
2. The outcome is probably "NO" anyway. This is a clever marketing strategy by Guiness, just that I think.
I'm quite perplexed by this. This is not a shade of grey, some semantic point - the actual settlement of this questions seems to be completely wrong. Have I missed something? Please update me with verifying sources or the next step to be taken here.
jimbo replied on March 12, 2008 18:49 to the question "Escalation: What color is this tie?" in Hubdub:
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