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ikaruga replied on July 28, 2008 20:30 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Yes, the \"common-sense\" isn't clear. (1) Is there a legally binding definition somewhere as Guy Fawkes asked? (2) What if you are a Business that wants to setup a free Educational wiki for teachers? Lesson plans, Reading Materials, etc. -- things that have nothing to do with the Business. Is it now \"commercial\" just because a Business started it?

ikaruga replied on July 28, 2008 20:27 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Yes, the \"common-sense\" isn't clear. (1) Is there a legally binding definition somewhere as Guy Fawkes asked? (2) What if you are a Business that wants to setup a free Educational wiki for teachers? Lesson plans, Reading Materials, etc. -- things that have nothing to do with the Business. Is it now \"commercial\" just because a Business started it?

babyasoftware replied on July 25, 2008 04:03 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

What about freeware developers?

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Guy Fawkes replied on March 11, 2008 21:49 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

"I'm sure that you'll agree that we've all got to put food on the table somehow".

Yes, but you used to do that by providing value (offering additional features for the money), not charging historically free wikis based on arbitrary distinctions in usage. Sounds like the money men are hovering, looking for ways to "monetize" things that have little or no development costs.

By the way, the "reply" function in GS sucks. I've tried to reply to different posts, but they're all just dumped in the thread sequentially, and it's difficult to follow the flow of the "conversation".

Guy Fawkes replied on March 11, 2008 21:42 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Well, then. I suppose our non-profitable organization needs to search elsewhere for a home, since the "commercial" use to which we have put our free wiki is apparently not going to be free much longer.

Guy Fawkes replied on March 11, 2008 21:39 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Interesting, but ultimately pointless, since you can (and have) changed the ToS at your leisure, without notifying anyone. I'm sure that that's not the ToS I agreed to when I created my first wiki in 2005, and I'm equally certain that I have not been apprised of the revisions and updates since that time. So what's the point? I can abide by the terms du jour, but that's little consolation when someone points out that the terms have changed, and what was once permissible is now no longer so.

Paul Singh replied on March 11, 2008 20:09 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Guy: Regarding your question - the answer is yes, commercial users will be required to upgrade. Refer to the ToS above regarding this.

Paul Singh replied on March 11, 2008 20:04 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Guy, I'm sure that you'll agree that we've all got to put food on the table somehow.

I'd encourage you to read our Terms of Service here: http://pbwiki.com/content/termsofservice

Also, ZDNet recently wrote an article about our ToS that I think you might find interesting: http://blog.pbwiki.com/2008/03/05/ter...

TK replied on March 11, 2008 19:55 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Guy:

If you are using PBwiki as a private wiki for collaboration and you are a business or non-profit, than you are using it for commercial use.

If you are a business or non-profit and you use PBwiki as a public wiki for your corporate or organizational Website, you also will need to upgrade.

If you are a teacher, educator or library than no, you do not need to upgrade.

If you are using PBwiki as a tool for your family, friends, associates, you do not need to upgrade.

If you are 5 people who use PBwiki to collaborate about your hobby, you do not need to upgrade.

If you are the school newspaper, you do not need to upgrade.

If you are the local garden club, you do not need to upgrade.

In the very near future, the product will become very distinguished between the Individual, Education, and Business Edition. The product will be specifically geared for each of our distinguished audiences.

Guy Fawkes replied on March 11, 2008 19:39 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Wow. That's a major about-face from the way PBwiki has run for the past three years. I guess that's what you have to do when you trying to pay all those salaries, huh? Can't say that I'm surprised, though. Since they started taking investor's money, they've been slowly morphing into something...else.

Is there a concise, published definition of "commercial use", or is it just "call me"? Can I take PayPal donations? Run Google ads? Put up my resume "for hire"? Mr. Yeh's useless definition of "common sense" won't fly here, as I have none. I am asking for precise, legally-binding terms.

TK replied on March 11, 2008 19:19 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Yes. If you use PBwiki for commercial use you will need to upgrade.

TK replied on March 11, 2008 19:18 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Yes, it does apply to non-profits although we discount rates for non-profits by 50%.

Guy Fawkes replied on March 11, 2008 16:36 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Hellooo, McFly!!!

Arwen replied on March 11, 2008 16:31 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Do 'commercial usage' rules apply to non-profits?

Guy Fawkes replied on March 07, 2008 19:04 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Bottom line: Are people who use their free, individual-type wikis for what you determine to be "commercial" use (regardless of how you choose to determine it) going to be required to upgrade? Note that this is a simple "yes" or "no" question.

Chris Yeh replied on March 07, 2008 17:49 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Right now, the way we measure usage is by number of edits. Once you reach a pre-defined number of edits, we flag your wiki for closer examination. The number is high enough such that it's unlikely you'll ever hit it unless you have a fair number of users regularly adding to the wiki.

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donna replied on January 21, 2008 21:01 to the question "How does pbwiki define "regular commercial usage"? How do I know if I need to register and/or upgrade?" in PBwiki:

Define "heavy" use... I've been showing the wiki to a lot of people the past week or so and I've been working on adding info since we just started it last month, but I'm sure things will quiet down once we're organized.