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Lesley replied on May 01, 2008 12:31 to the question "Questions with no suspend date/time- Can we fix this?" in Hubdub:

Thanks for this suggestion, infernalmachine. The suspend date issue is something we've debated from the beginning of Hubdub, and is still being debated! But I think your idea could work with some more thought and development time. I'll pass it onto the development team and see if we can add it to the future feature list.

In the short term, we will be making the suspend date compulsory for the reasons outlined above. That will mean that question creators will have to set a date they think may be roughly right, and when the actual date is known, the Category Editor, or potentially a Super User, will have to amend it.

Thanks for your input.

Lesley.

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Lesley replied on April 29, 2008 11:37 to the question "Questions with no suspend date/time- Can we fix this?" in Hubdub:

You're absolutely right ontilt, it is a problem. Yes, the Super User approval system will definitely help, and it is coming soon, honest desrty! (We're having a final meeting on it tonight to iron out the last details)

Also, it's been agreed via a seperate discussion on getsatisfaction that we will make suspend dates compulsory on question creation. If a settlement date isn't known (and I do mean "Settlement", please note the difference between Settlement date and Suspend date) then a question creator should enter a guestimated Suspend date and the Category Editors (and potentially Super Users) will have the right to amend that as they see fit)

I hope that helps answer your question.

Lesley.

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Lesley replied on April 21, 2008 21:12 to the question "Problem Settlement: New Dehli Torch Rally - was it peaceful?" in Hubdub:

Thanks for all your input here guys. I've settled it as being peaceful.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia...

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Lesley asked a question in Hubdub on April 18, 2008 22:54:

Problem Settlement: New Dehli Torch Rally - was it peaceful?
There is definite confusion over the best way to settle this question:

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/_After...

The torch rally itself seems to have been peaceful but only because protesters were kept away from the route.

Let me know your thoughts and if you have a prediction on the question.

Thanks

Lesley.
Lesley replied on April 13, 2008 21:40 to the problem "Suspend v Settlement Times" in Hubdub:

Hello lovely users

I've read through all your responses here and have had a few emails about this too. Conclusions are as follows:

7 users believe we should leave it up to the question creator
4 users want suspend and settle to be as close to each other as possible
3 users want a capped period

So in the interests of democracy, we'll go with the 7. This does however throw up a few problems that we need to iron out.

The following are suggested revisions to the rules and our working practices. Let me know if you have a problem with any of them, or if there's something we've missed:

- Suspend dates in question creation will be made compulsory.
- Where a specific settlement date is NOT given in a question, if the suspend date has been reached and the question is still unsettleable, but it may become settleable in the future (e.g. a court case) then the Category Editor will extend the suspend date
- Where there is an obvious mistake in a suspend date, Category Editors will amend the suspend date, e.g. when a suspend date is after the settlement date refered to in the question.
- In all other cases, Category Editors will not amend the suspend dates.

This leaves us with one problem. What constitutes a duplicate question? If a question has been created with a significant suspended period, there is a distinct possibility that a user will create a duplicate question with a suspend date nearer the settlement date (as in Ryan's presidential election example above). So when do we void for being a duplicate? The suspend dates could be different by 1 day, 1 week or several months, but the questions are the same. Where do we draw the line? If we disallow them all, then the option for different types of play is restricted. If we allow them all, things will be very messy.

Any thoughts?

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Lesley replied on April 11, 2008 13:29 to the problem "Suspend v Settlement Times" in Hubdub:

Hello everyone
I realise that there's been no final decision made on this issue. There's a heck of a lot of information here, so I'm going to go through it with a fine tooth comb over the weekend and come back to you on Monday.
Thanks for all your input.
Lesley.

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Lesley replied on April 02, 2008 23:24 to the problem "DialIdol and other horrible internet applications" in Hubdub:

I would definitely hate to have to ban all TV shows jenniandboys, and I really don't think that would be necessary. I think your idea of posting the "spoiler" site on the question background or in the comments is a good idea, then at least it's a level playing field.

I agree with destry that some of the more creative questions aren't as newsworthy, but it's a tough call between strictly newsworthy and still interesting. Getting a settlement source is the tricky bit (am quite certain there wouldn't be one for one about Ryan touching people...!)

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Lesley reported a problem in Hubdub on April 02, 2008 23:01:

Suspend v Settlement Times
There have been a few instances recently where questions have been created with the suspend date set for a period of time before the question can be settled, e.g.

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_a...

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_a...

http://www.hubdub.com/e/Market/Will_t...

Up until now, suspend dates have always been set to tie in with the question, i.e. suspend just before the date specified in the question title, and if this hasn't been the case, Hubdub Category Editors have altered the suspend date accordingly. This is to prevent an extended period of time where users' funds are tied up.

However, some users have been calling for a longer period (days or sometimes weeks) between Suspend time and Settlement time to prevent what they are calling last minute gaming.

Hubdub has never actually considered this sort of behaviour to be gaming, rather just a functioning market. As the market price moves over time to reflect the probability of the outcome, the closer it gets to the end point, the more unfavorable the odds become.

For example, the question of whether Hillary would pull out in the next 24hours may be sitting at 99% "No" which would reflect the true estimate of the likelihood of that happening. 99% of the time if you select "No" on this type of question you'll be right, but there is always the 1% chance of it not happening.

There was a question in Feb about Romney pulling out in the next 24 hours which was trading at 90%+ "No" and it did happen.

There was another question where the Suspend date was purposefully set for several months before the question could be settled.

It seems that we have 3 options on this one:

1. Suspend dates should be set for the nearest time possible to the Settlement date and if it isn't then HD will edit it (ensuring that they leave a comment to inform people that the suspend date has been altered)

2. Allow question creators to set Suspend times for any point in time prior to settlement and HD admin will not edit them unless it is clear that there is a mistake

3. Allow question creators to set Suspend times in advance of the Settlement time but have a capped period, say 1 week.

Thoughts anyone?

Lesley.
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Lesley replied on March 30, 2008 22:17 to the discussion "Market unsuspended (resumed) without notice." in Hubdub:

Hi Newswrangler

I was really sorry to see your post and can totally understand your frustration. Reading back through the various posts here it looks to me as if your request that the question be voided was simply not noticed as people got more involved in the notification discussion.

I'll speak to Ryan and get you an answer or at least an explanation in the next 24 hours.

The original idea behind us using getsatisfaction was as a forum for users to discuss problems and ideas amongst themselves, and as such I will admit that our involvement/response times has been a little sporadic or slow at times. The quickest way of getting a response from us directly has always been to use the "Contact Us" form on Hubdub (at the foot of every page).

However, in light of these discussions, we've changed our internal processes which should now mean that we will be more responsive on this forum.

Best wishes

Lesley
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Lesley replied on March 21, 2008 15:40 to the discussion "Roadies, Survivor and Apprentice (oh, my!)" in Hubdub:

Just to confirm, this ban covers shows where the outcome is known, but if there is a show where it is pre-recorded but the outcome isn't know (i.e. they've recorded 2 or more endings, eg The Apprentice) then they are permitted.

Is that fair/clear?
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Lesley replied on March 21, 2008 13:33 to the idea "Gender issues" in Hubdub:

Perhaps if people used photos of themselves rather than animals/inanimate objects there mightn't be such a problem....
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Lesley replied on March 19, 2008 21:31 to the discussion "Was this market settled too early?" in Hubdub:

These questions have been problematic in the past, and it seems clear that this particular one should be voided.

I have discussed this with the Hubdub team and we feel strongly that these types of questions should not be allowed. Unless any users vehemently disagree, then the rules will be updated to reflect that and any future such questions will be voided.

Let me know if anyone disagrees.

Lesley.
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