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frustrated replied on October 02, 2008 12:01 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I HAVE THIS PROBLEM -
I just set up a Gmail account because STUPID MSN randomly blocked email to my girl's Hotmail for a few days recently...
so I sign up, thinking Gmail would be the coolest solution -
then I notice the STUPID permanent threaded discussion feature, my girl is complaining that she can't find stuff, and I spend FAR TOO MUCH time looking through the account/settings to find out how to turn the STUPID (to me) THREADING off. So here I am, wasting time, looking for another email solution. Sorry for yelling, but WHAT THE H***, Google? This is just silly.

Dan replied on September 28, 2008 03:42 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I'm not saying don't do it, but don't expect much by actually appealing to Google in a sensible way. I've posted over there as have many others.
| wouldn't waste too much time - Go post and then take a shot at Yahoo mail or something like it.

mark palmos replied on September 24, 2008 08:02 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I suggest you all go over to Google and make a feature request, it may help, you never know, the squeaky wheel gets the oil you know!

http://services.google.com/feedback/g...

mark palmos replied on September 24, 2008 07:56 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I agree completely with Arthur,

Placing such a limitation without the option to have messages threaded or unthreaded way DOES seem like the stubbornness of some self-important Google wanker who is protecting HIS precious VISION (pleeeze, spare us your vision!!!) at the cost of an option that a lot of users are begging for.

Oh dear, will Android go the same way, or will Gmail start listening???

Arthur replied on September 24, 2008 07:16 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I can only assume now that the reason for Google's resistance to repeated user requests for a conversation view off option is stubborn pride:

probably a view individuals there in the google tech dept who - as the creators of this "unique" feature - are loathe to back track in any way on "their baby" and feel that more time exposure will simply force "stubborn" users to "just get used to it" whereby eventually reducing the number of complaints. This apparent attitude smacks of immaturity.

Google shoudl not allow apparent personal emotion to override public service delivery - the fact is, a large proportion of users (current and potential) DO IN FACT experience difficulty in locating previously sent or received messages because conversation view hides them.

Surely Google realizes that it can attract more users - and keep them - by not continuing to ignore or play down complains in this regard?

Hategmail replied on September 16, 2008 13:34 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I also hate this feature. I have commented numerous times on Gmail's useless help site, and get no response. I have too many people who use my email address for me to dump gmail, but I am advising everyone I know to not get a gmail address. I stop strangers on the street just to tell them how bad gmail is. Well, not yet but I am thinkong about it.

Why is Google so arrogant about this?

mark replied on September 10, 2008 21:20 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I have moved to yahoo.
not as fast, but it behaves as I would like an email programme to behave WRT NOT threading messages.
Poor show Google. Take your collective heads out of your behinds!

Amiga500 replied on September 10, 2008 11:55 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

This thread will go down in the annals of Internet history as one which displays that Google DO NOT LISTEN TO USERS. With great power comes great arrogance, they are rapidly becoming the new Microsoft and underestimating the importance of the user community, as an Information Architect myself I can confidently say that the 'conversation view' has more holes than Swiss cheese and is fundamentally flawed. Google cannot change the habits I have built up using email since before they decided to exist, and it is pompous to think otherwise.

Mal replied on September 10, 2008 10:59 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I am sure thousands of users just give up on gmail because of the threading "feature". I expect I will. It's jaw-dropping arrogance by G to ignore the requirement to have a normal inbox.

Dan replied on September 09, 2008 04:51 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

SuezanneC Baskerville said:

Yahoo's spam filter sucks.

FYI. I don't know if you email a lot more than I do but I've never had trouble with more than an occasional spam email using the free version. The paid version includes an additonal 35 filters.....

Best wishes.

SuezanneC Baskerville replied on September 09, 2008 02:37 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

GMX has ads with pictures in the emails, right? I couldn't tell from looking if it has video ads or still images. Gmail's text ads off to the side aren't too annoying to me.

Yahoo's spam filter sucks.

Does GMX allow you to see a threaded view when you want?

True threads are made from replies to replies to replies, not just matching subjects

I'd like to see the incoming mail by order received or order sent, as I choose, and then for any particular message, have a option to see the thread the message is in, in forward or reverse sequence.

Oba replied on September 08, 2008 12:58 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I've found a good alternative to gmail. You can try it out in gmx.com. It has free IMAP, POP3 access just like gmail, but without the threaded webmail interface.

Dan replied on September 07, 2008 16:13 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

RE: Suezanne Baskerville's comment.
Honestly, why not just go to yahoo mail? I know it's slower at times but what's worse, losing emails entirely or having a couple of ads on the page? If it's that important, you could probably just pay the $20/yr to dump the ads?

SuezanneC Baskerville replied on September 07, 2008 03:43 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

What are the free alternatives to Gmail that don't have hideous moving ads and massive spam and a terrible spam filter like for example Yahoo mail does?

Todd Jones replied on September 06, 2008 15:51 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I personally don't have a problem with it. However, I think they should listen others do.

Milika replied on September 06, 2008 15:06 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

GMail is a great service and has made my life a whole lot easier. But as a developer myself i must say that not having the ability to unthread is a big hassle. Especially for my bug reports, which customers always label the same...
Also gmail easily thinks of unrelated mails with similar titles as one conversation, when in fact its more... This is a big problem.

Thanks you !

Dan replied on September 05, 2008 14:30 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I've tried using gmail. It's faster than yahoo and has some great features. I love a lot about google in general ie. gmaps etc.. I retried it again starting a month ago. I just missed yet another email in "pile" in the inbox.

But it's waaaaayyy to easy to miss an email visually. The bottom line is that all of the arguments for gmail or any of it's features don't mean very much when you've missed the original email due to threading feature.

I understand why or how a company could develop something like gmail and not foresee how a feature would affect people. What's annoying is how many people hate this feature (there are reams of complaints on the net) and gmail continues to ignore it.

I don't know about anyone else but many, maybe most of my emails, consist of a message and a reply or two. I certainly don't want every conversation with someone "linked"!

I've used Yahoo mail for years. It's not perfect and isn't as "techy" as gmail. On the other hand, it works just fine w/o installing IMAP or anything else.....

Why fight it?

A comment on the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

I know zimbra does, but most companies set zimbra up internally. Not sure if there are any public emails that use it – Todd Jones, on September 03, 2008 19:07

SuezanneC Baskerville replied on September 03, 2008 03:52 to the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

Do you know of something web based like Zenbe that uses IMAP?

Zenbe says IMAP support will arrive sometime.

I can't really tell when using it for my somewhat limited purposes what difference it would make for it to be using IMAP instead of pop.

A comment on the problem "Why can't I turn off conversation threading in gmail; it's fatal for my business!" in Google:

zenbe looks really nice, thanks for the tip. but after i've used imap, pop seems so outdated to me. – Todd Jones, on September 03, 2008 03:17