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Laura Brunow Miner replied on October 13, 2008 18:17 to the discussion "How are the final photos selected for the magazine?" in 8020 Media:
BIII Ox/total bollocks, if you want to have a discussion with me about my qualifications or the product, feel free to contact me directly. letters [at] jpgmag.com.
There is no discrepancy, nor ever has been, in the way we present the process and the way it happens. We have never claimed to be entirely community selected or entirely editorially selected -- check the FAQs. We use a blend of the two and always have.
I'd be glad to answer any further questions directly.
total bollocks replied on October 12, 2008 17:20 to the discussion "How are the final photos selected for the magazine?" in 8020 Media:
You have always positioned JPG as voter-driven and participatory - but instead you have an editor who is solely responsible for inclusion, even though she has little more qualification than the average voter on the site
If this isn't so, pick a representative sample from any 3 issues and do some simple analysis - the results show a completely transparent mechanism that illustrates how little the voting has to do with anything
Christi Ginger replied on October 07, 2008 21:55 to the discussion "How are the final photos selected for the magazine?" in 8020 Media:
Voting lets our editorial staff know what is most interesting to the community within a theme and also brings great photos to our attention. Our last issue (JPG 18) saw over 20,000 photos submitted to the three main themes, so the community voting is important to help us identify the favorites from those submissions. We've always been clear that the final selections are made by our editor and we think that the combination of community and editorial results in the best magazine possible.
BIll Ox replied on October 06, 2008 11:50 to the discussion "How are the final photos selected for the magazine?" in 8020 Media:
caity replied on August 01, 2008 21:28 to the discussion "How are the final photos selected for the magazine?" in 8020 Media:
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In all honesty, the cards do not impact me one way or the other. If they fall out and I don't want them I pick them up and recycle them just like every other thing I don't want. However, given we all must accept reality of growing business and JPG is exploring different ways to get their name out there. I have a suggestion...as I was doing some "field intelligence" in my mundane 9-5er one of the advertising avenues that struck me as interesting and low cost was advertising on the side of "public transportation". My thought is why not look at hooking up with a Tarta..target large metro areas...open up a photo challenge that displays the positives of public transportation ... gear it towards an opportunity for them as well as an opportunity for JPG (you will provide them with amazing photography/they provide you with a short term free advertising opportunity..and in the meantime JPG subscribers have a chance to get their work displayed.
Maybe I am offbase in my thought process but if you are trying to reach a lot of people a moving target seems like a great option. – likst, on August 01, 2008 16:20
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All good points. truth is, there are pros and cons to everything in life. Nonetheless, JPG is awesome!!! – Jason Hudson, on August 01, 2008 00:41
Laura Brunow Miner replied on August 01, 2008 00:05 to the discussion "Join us for a subscription discussion." in 8020 Media:
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sgoralnick replied on July 30, 2008 04:15 to the discussion "Join us for a subscription discussion." in 8020 Media:
ouch. those cards that blow were the very first thing i noticed upon opening my issue today, and i was totally bummed. as a designer, my stomach sinks just a little bit every time a sassy young company i like starts to resort to humdrum tried-and-true-but-utterly-irritating marketing tactics as it grows.
as a reader, contributor and subscriber to JPG, i was dismayed and disappointed to learn that i had become a victim of a "takesy-backsy" on the once proud and defiant rally cry of "We Don't Blow!". i know it seems inconsequential, but it makes me wonder what else about JPG that set it apart will soon be repealed.
i completely understand the need to increase circulation and decrease production costs, but there are always multiple solutions to any problem. the fact that nothing as easy and cost-effective as the cards exists only means that it has not yet been envisioned. i think this has great potential to be yet another area where JPG sets itself apart from the crowd. i am convinced the great designers and creative minds at 8020 could find a way to invent and create something innovative.
the postcard suggestion mentioned above is a good place to start. this might screw with postal regulations, but maybe you could have an ongoing theme for contributers to find a creative way to shoot the "business reply mail, blahblah" side, and then use one shot per month to use as the postcard, and the back is an interestingly designed fill-out form. or if you can't mess with that side, maybe there can be a "textures" theme, where you'd be getting photos that have a greater tolerance for type being laid on top of them for a fill-in form? maybe you could design a page that LOOKED like one of those cards, so when the people who actually want them (?!) grab for them, they can be led to the website, or perhaps a way they could text in their info right then and there?
but the worst part about them is that they force you to flip to a certain page. if i were held at knifepoint to pick a lesser evil, i'd say to use the blow-ins rather than the bind-ins, they make me want to tear the magazine apart just so i can flip the pages easily. maybe the bottom corner of the back cover could be perforated so the card can be torn out of it? since the magazine is always shrink-wrapped, maybe you can just put them outside the magazine instead of inside? or put them all on page 1 so i can toss them all without have to flip around and spend time extracting?
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Thanks for the suggestion. We have to have the postal reply info on one side (the post office can be a stickler!), but we have used member photos on most of the cards. – Laura S., on July 29, 2008 20:00
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One blow-in for subs, two for newsstand. Then during the holiday season we add in one gift blow-in to each. And, Jason, I had the same experience with my family! – Laura S., on July 29, 2008 19:56
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Sadly, not everyone orders magazines in the same way. Some like ordering on the web, some like inserts, some just buy on the newsstand, etc. As Laura mentioned we are looking into a digital version that would offer an alternative to those who don't want a paper copy. We're still researching this. It's good to know that there's interest out there for this sort of thing. – Laura S., on July 29, 2008 19:53
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Right now we have only one blow-in slated for subscriber copies and two for newsstand. We'll up this to two blow-ins for subscribers and three for newsstand during the holiday season (we'll be adding in one gift blow-in for each). Then, after the holidays are over, we'll revert back to the original number. – Laura S., on July 29, 2008 19:51
tomeloph replied on July 29, 2008 19:51 to the discussion "Join us for a subscription discussion." in 8020 Media:
ok, i can understand that the blow-in cards are what they are... annoying / yet they work.... since they are essentially postcards, how about you put a readers' photo on one side? tom@eloph.com
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I know it seems like the cards are not "green" but actually, the more subscribers we can get via the cards the less we have to mail out to attract new subscribers (which involves a lot more paper). – Laura S., on July 29, 2008 19:48
Leandro replied on July 29, 2008 19:19 to the discussion "Join us for a subscription discussion." in 8020 Media:
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I just got the latest issue today and there was only one blow in card...personally, I can live with that.
I had visions of a cascade of cards like some of the other photography magazines I receive whose names I shall not mention. – m winters, on July 28, 2008 18:03
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I'm pretty sure it's just one, but Laura Simkins is back today and I will find out. – Laura Brunow Miner, on July 28, 2008 17:46
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