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A comment on the idea "Suggestions for improving the Now Playing List" in Songbird:

Great feedback, thanks! – nicbot, on April 23, 2009 22:49

A comment on the idea "Suggestions for improving the Now Playing List" in Songbird:

**Sorry, issues adding multiple comments and deleting**

Hitchhiker427: Agreed.

Laura Thomas: I'd rather see no comment rather than a "Great feedback, Thanks!" All that says to me is 'Whatever, I'm busy trying to fill some quota and have better things to work on.'

How about some real 'Official Rep' words. Like we're working on it, or we're talking about it, or we don't feel like it... After all, it's been quite some time now and if all you come to the plate with is 'Great feedback' then it may just be time for me to give up all hope...argh

Pardon my obvious frustration guys. – nicbot, on April 23, 2009 18:55

A comment on the idea "Suggestions for improving the Now Playing List" in Songbird:

I'll second that.

But just to clarify, this has nothing to do with all the excellent work Moshy has put in and donated, it has to do with the Songbird team's unwillingness to address certain flaws in their product. Instead they tout the lack of certain de facto media player features as a sort of FEATURE of it's own...Someone needs to step up in the next SB team meeting and address this before it reaches the tipping point. – nicbot, on April 01, 2009 21:01

nicbot replied on March 25, 2009 21:11 to the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

Don't get me wrong, in general it has improved. It's just not where it should be at this point in a release imo. To me this is something that should just work out of the box and it doesn't...for me.

Problems start occurring when;

-Add a few to NowPlaying list and begin playing
-Scroll through library
-Double click on a song to play it...along with the rest of the artist songs (not a big deal)
-Try adding a song to the list now....nope!

Can't add to or remove the list without at least hiding it and showing it again.

When I'm able to add to the list after showing it again, track names appear duplicate until I hide and show it yet again.

Is it just me??? If it is, then I'll gladly shut my pie hole :)

I will say that I appreciate the efforts made by Moshy. He is a champion. I'm just voicing my opinion and I can't honestly say that I'm satisfied with the add-on as it stands. It's a Now Playing list, it really shouldn't be that much to ask for should it?

I'm sorry to say that it remains a thorn in my side when it comes to SB.

Thanks qways.

nicbot replied on March 25, 2009 18:53 to the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

Just to reiterate here...

After not using Songbird for months due to lack of this feature and other bugs, I just updated and tried again to much dismay. I added the NowPlaying list add-on again to see if there has been any progress made and I must say I am still frustrated and disappointed. I find it hard to understand how even an addon like this can go this long without proper functionality or support.

To put my feelings into a bad analogy for you, it's like you designed a sweet new hybrid car that gets currently 40mpg but has potential to get up to 120mpg. Sweet!! You have my attention :) But then I test drive it and although I am excited about all the features, it doesn't have power steering...what the hell?? How can a new car targeted at the green thinking demographic not have something as standard and basic as power steering? I can't help but think to my self that there is something inherently wrong with philosophy of the team who designed this car.

This analogy could go on and on, but it's already bad enough :/

Also, if your add-on philosophy on the matter held true, shouldn't there be more than one option to choose from??

If you build it in, they will come...hahahaha

nicbot replied on February 02, 2009 19:26 to the idea "Suggestions for improving the Now Playing List" in Songbird:

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nicbot replied on January 22, 2009 22:57 to the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

@ Joe The Flamer: No apologies here. How does a voice get heard if nobody opens their mouth? Hitler called and he want's his fascist ideals back Joe ;)

Even though I disagree with you I feel that your opinion is still worth being heard and expressed. Furthermore, I would never condone or support blind consumerism in any case...which is what you seem to be all about... I'm just trying to make a potentially good product even better in -my opinion- ...why?? Because in the end I want to use the best product out there :)

I'm rooting for SB...That's the ONLY reason I'm still here on these boards showing my support for ideas.

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A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

^^ = Nail on the head
Wow. Nicely put Changed. I couldn't add anything to that except for my signature ;) Well done.

I don't use SB any longer for these reasons and I will not until it becomes more usable for my needs...and I don't feel I'm in the minority here too.

I'll be waiting and watching for an update, but until then my fingers are crossed that the dev team will step back and look at exactly what it is they are trying to accomplish here...and I hope that in the mean time someone else doesn't beat them to the punch.

That's it for me! – nicbot, on January 22, 2009 00:03

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

Then make it an official one that works well. However it is accomplished is fine. It just needs to be solid and supported. – nicbot, on January 17, 2009 00:40

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

First, no not anyone...Not everyone has the time or knowledge needed.

Second, that's great that you ONLY shuffle your entire library or pre-made playlists...with that said, you no longer have stake in this topic since you have no idea what we're talking about here. lol – nicbot, on January 17, 2009 00:00

nicbot replied on January 16, 2009 23:56 to the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

@ Carlos: (sigh)... man you're making this fun :)

You said;
"It (Songbird) is meant to be a media player with web browsing capability...."

How about we start with a media player with media playback capabilities and go from there? If you had to ask me which should be built in functionality between a 'now playing' list or a browser...???? If you said browser go back to your bloat-ware my friend.

"...Why? Because most of the media that people (like you an me listen to) is on the web."

Hosted on the web, no. Information available on the web about music in my library, yes. Should i get to choose weather or not my media player talks to the web or even takes me there, absolutely....now we're getting off the topic of this thread.

I'm starting to wonder if you even know what a "Now Playing" list even is.

By the way this is from the SB home page:

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Songbird is an open-source customizable music player that's under active development.

We're working on creating a non-proprietary, cross platform, extensible tool that will help enable new ways to playback, manage, and discover music.
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...Well currently Songbird has problems playing back and managing music. It can discover it fine imo. Hence why this thread exists...Please add BASIC playback management and functionality.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about open extensibility. I just feel that some core function is needed first. I think TyvdAheksy ^^ put it well.

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

@ TyvdAheksy: Good point. Thank you...Carlos could benefit from this comment ;) – nicbot, on January 16, 2009 22:59

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

Carlos you're not making much sense in this case.

You pushing your Unix philosophy as an argument against this point, although well meant I'm sure, is not a sound one...at least not how you put it.

Furthermore your post was a bit long winded and honestly doesn't disprove any of our arguments for the core addition of this function.

Just to give you an example of just how mislead your argument seems to be in this case...

You state (along with many other things) that at the core, a media player should include "Web Browsing". Now explain to me how this is not bloat in your world and why a media player should even come close to affecting and dictating my web browsing experience? ...There is no reason. And just the fact that you included this in your mission statement of sorts post, discredits your entire argument imho...sorry homie ;) – nicbot, on January 16, 2009 22:56

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

Do you honestly not use a 'what's playing now and next' queue/list of any sort currently or in the past? This would not be bloat. In fact if left an addon it has more potential to be bloat then if built in...and i'm speaking ONLY for this function and nothing else.

I think that if built in, it would also allow for greater addon's to be developed for this sort of function since the hooks and ground work would already be there.

Just my 2 bits. – nicbot, on January 16, 2009 22:26

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

In my opinion a now playing list as Songbird currently stands is a core feature that is explicitly needed. Furthermore, after reading your *elaborate* post, I find it VERY hard to believe that you would feel otherwise.

A 'what's playing now and next' list should not even be called a feature. It's just simply what any media player should be able to inherently do. Include an option to turn it off or on if you like, but still it should be there. – nicbot, on January 16, 2009 22:17

A comment on the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

@ Carlos K: I think you're missing the point of this thread buddy. – nicbot, on January 16, 2009 22:09

nicbot replied on January 15, 2009 17:41 to the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

@Oceanic: First, it's not hard to have a better experience than in iTunes imo. Second, yes Firefox is a great example of an already solid core product being enhanced by an active user community. The key here is that you need a solid core product first, which I'm sorry to say that Songbird is not **yet**.

"No need to get indignant, people, it's not like you paid money for it or anything!! The beauty of open-source efforts is that they are always improving."

...Yes, but the beauty of the internet and this forum is that we have a voice and are allowed to use it. If we just sit back and let things like this slide, how much better do you think it would get? And how long do you think it would take??

Even in open source projects and especially in media players there is a certain level of expected quality and usability.

nicbot replied on January 14, 2009 21:42 to the idea "Please add an official Playlist Pane!" in Songbird:

Changed: Where do I sign! Couldn't have said it better myself.

@Johann: Changed is spot on. The addon system is not for every program, or program type unless it is implemented correctly. That said, I would like to point out that IMO Songbird should still be in beta. You can't just pass off unfinished work of basic functionality to the 'addon' community and call it good...lazy and insulting.