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tisha replied on July 10, 2008 10:38 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

Actually it wasn't, Markov was dealing directly with the Category Editor.

If the Get Sat forum and Contact Us forms are getting ignored, we would definitely like to know.

A comment on the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

What to use if you feel the GetSat forum and the Contact Us form gets ignored - which was obviously the case here :( – kruijs, on July 10, 2008 10:36

tisha replied on July 10, 2008 09:03 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

Hi all,

Thanks to the Supers for being so vigilant about monitoring this site. I have emailed Markov directly; he explained the situation to me and I think we reached some sort of resolution.

We are very concerned when users complain they have not received a response from us, so please use Get Satisfaction or the Contact Us form if you feel your comments have been ignored.

Cheers,
Tisha

NewsWrangler replied on July 08, 2008 04:27 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

@Markov ... I just read your comment in the market thread.

I don't know why you haven't received a reply to your flags or emails.

I'm confident your post here will result in a response -- which in no way suggests that your prior messages via other means shouldn't have been responded to.

Markov replied on July 08, 2008 04:06 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

I,too, fell victim to overzealous voiding on my question:
http://www.hubdub.com/m9328/MLB__End_...
and despite my protracted efforts was unable to find resolution to my appeal to the voiding authority. I remain convinced the question was improperly voided on a whim and my pleas for supporting reason fell on deaf ears. Frankly, it kind of sucked the wind out my sails for creating new questions.

A comment on the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

Good point – InfernalMachine, on July 04, 2008 21:02

anaverageamerican replied on July 04, 2008 20:47 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

onedave,

I wanted to apologize for contributing to the voiding of your question about the dolphins, and would like to encourage you to recreate it. I recommend adding an Other option in case the dolphins decide they like Jersey and don't go back out to sea.

But if you repost the question without an Other option, I won't flag it again (I reserve the right to comment though 8^).

Regards,
AnAverageAmerican

NewsWrangler replied on July 04, 2008 20:14 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

onedave -- I don't know that there is any more information than what Nigel posted in that thread:

"1. We can't yet unvoid questions so unfortunately the alien question is gone (sorry!)"

and

"I literally cannot un-void it. (I can send you a screen shot of a greyed out button if you like!). Ryan may have unsuspended a question but there is no way he could have unvoided a question."

and

"Will I un-void the alien question?

No, I can't. Unfortunately, I can't change that until we put in that functionality. I admit it was a mistake to void it."

I haven't seen any further news or official discussion of adding the functionality to un-void a question.

onedave replied on July 04, 2008 20:02 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

This discussion, http://getsatisfaction.com/hubdub/top..., refers to re-opening voided questions, but I did not see any more information on the topic.

NewsWrangler replied on July 04, 2008 19:35 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

The current status of the dolphins seems to be that officials have decided to leave them alone (for now). It appears your question was voided because that was the news at the time of suspension. You may want to consider that outcome may still exist when you create your options and/or in relation to your suspend/settlement dates.

Perhaps adding some definition to "what human aid is" may be helpful. For example, does "human aid" include or exclude "boats motoring around trying to 'encourage' them towards the ocean", or is human aid more direct/physical, such as "capturing them, then releasing them in the ocean"?

It would seem that because there are officials currently monitoring them (in boats, etc.) some definition may be necessary. (It may be likely that there will be officials/humans in boats for the duration ...)

As an aside, there was a similar instance of this, last year I think -- somewhere in the Pacific Northwest (I thought it was the Columbia River, but I couldn't find anything) ... (and it may have been a whale, not a dolphin ;-) ... where 'officials' tried something like a "flotilla of boats" ... but, at the end of the day, as I recall, they gave up on that, not wanting to stress it, and just monitored it. Eventually it returned to sea.

Hope this helps -- I appreciate your knowledge of dolphins, and hope you will excuse mine :-| I look forward to your new question!

InfernalMachine replied on July 04, 2008 18:27 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

@onedave
How about replacing "Human aid required to return all dolphins to ocean" with "All dolphins return to the ocean with some human aid"

InfernalMachine replied on July 04, 2008 18:17 to the question "Re-opening voided questions" in Hubdub:

As far as I know, voided questions can't be re-opened. Something to do with the way the code for voids is written. But there is now a feature to copy an old question of yours, and repost it. Since these questions still have time to run, that should work out okay for you.

Here's what you do. Go to your profile and click on "Questions". Scroll down to where your Voided questions are, and click on the question you want to repost. In the top right of the question page there's a button saying "Copy question as new". Click on it, and you will get to the question creation page, with all the previous info filled in. Change what you need to, maybe put a note in the background text that it's a Repost, check that the suspend date and time are as you need them to be, as well as the category and subcategory, and publish it.

One suggestion. The NYC question was fine, but you might want to consider the comments you got on the Dolphin question. Adding an "Other " option might satisfy your critics. Another thing might be to rephrase the second option so that everyone knows that if "any" dolphins are aided, this choice is correct. Also, you should consider when you want the question to be decided by. The last one was voided because nothing had happened by the suspend date. Pick a suspend date long after you think something will happen, so that the same problem doesn't occur.

It's a bit of a pain, but the copy question feature really takes the slog out of reposting a question.

Hope this helps.

onedave asked a question in Hubdub on July 04, 2008 17:23:

Re-opening voided questions

Does hubdub have any plans to allow an incorrectly voided question to be re-opened?

In particular, I had two markets that were quite popular and were voided. The first, http://www.hubdub.com/m9590/Will_New_..., was voided by mistake by an admin. (Admins make mistakes, too.) The second, http://www.hubdub.com/m10196/What_wil..., was voided by the "none of the outcomes seem to be impending" rule.

ontilt replied on May 31, 2008 09:59 to the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

We are all having this conversation trying to be fair, and at same time inclusive, not exclusive. Maybe a comprise is right solution allowing questions pertaining to the top three world markets (not really sure, maybe Dow/Nikkei 225/FTSE 100) which icludes top one from US, Europe, Asia.
Just another idea that came to mind.

A comment on the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

Agree 100% – ontilt, on May 31, 2008 09:28

A comment on the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

That would be fine, but the major difference is that all the non major sporting questions suspend prior to match, meaning it gives no huge advantage to one person over another. The world market questions(and mass amounts) were simply being asked for one reason, they knew not many people followed them, combined with the fact very few hubdub members were competition during times these markets active thus huge profits for them. They could sit and watch as outcome was almost certainly decided with little competition following the question/market.
And with regard to college league questions, the only ones I have seen have been involving the college world series, which is a major event with all suspend times prior to match meaning no real advantage to one user over another.
Just an observation/opinion.
Any and all feedback welcome. – ontilt, on May 31, 2008 09:27

A comment on the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

I agree. There should have been a real time quote instead of one they most probably knew was a much delayed quote thus gaining advantage for themselves and throwing others off purposely. – ontilt, on May 31, 2008 09:15

Destry replied on May 30, 2008 17:38 to the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

I am hoping we see in the phase 2 rollout of the super user functions a situation in which all questions are in a suspend status until they can be reviewed. I hope that would help stop some of these problems from occurring. I also think we should spend more time working with new users on creating good markets.

Markov replied on May 30, 2008 17:11 to the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

kruijs - Great idea on publishing index link on question page. I would also add a rule that index questions suspend 24 hours before index closing. You are also correct about the exotic league sports questions. I believe the first major Hubdub sanction against a member was for gaming on exotic sports leagues. I would, at least for now, confine sports betting to major North American and European professional and national leagues since they are most widely reported and probably 99% of Hubdub users reside on these two continents. Anything outside of that probably doesn't rise to the level of even minority interest and is ripe for gaming.

destry - Your comments on suspend times are right on the mark and have a history of creating problems on the site. I have seen much abuse of suspend times occurring during, or even after, game play or index reporting in the past, though the problem seems to be waning. I would imagine it is a huge job for admins to try to check the timing on each and every question with a faulty suspend time. I have a suggestion for the admins that might reduce that workload:

1) track the reasons why questions are voided into a few simple categories (i.e. bad suspend time, poor wording, advertising, etc.)
2) sanction members who chronically set bad suspend times

No need to give people crap about poor wording as I doubt people do that on purpose. A couple suspend time problems are likely a mistake as well. However, if someone is constantly screwing up the suspend times there might be a reason.

Destry replied on May 30, 2008 10:48 to the discussion "Business Indices Questions - Restrictions have become Necessary" in Hubdub:

I think what you are experiencing is the skewing of questions based on the demographics of the users. Plus the big point is that those markets have a set time they begin and questions are suspended upon the beginning of the match. So that makes not being able to follow in real time a non factor. Would it be possible to ask questions about european markets and have them suspend before trading begins, maybe that is an alternative. Plus we need to understand that with less admins to settle these markets it could take up to 24 hours to settle.