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OpenSimmer shared an idea in Sim-OnDemand on November 12, 2008 02:55:
Ok - I succeededOK - Success - I got it working.
But getting into the console (to flatten the land witha a
"terrain fill 21" command) was hell.
"ssh to the instance using the hostname shown in the launcher." indeed !
and
"use the certificate file......login as root with the ssh key."
What was that about easy for non-geeks ?
After downloading and trying three SSH clients, all of which seemed to have different capabilities and required formats for these damned keys/certificates, I struggled through by using an extra tool with Putty to generate two keys from the certificate .pem file.
Absolute hell, and I'm still not totally sure how it finally worked, despite hours of googling, reading and experimenting.
I think it was worse because I chose not to put in a key pair at the start (didn't know how) and it was too late to go back so I had to get my SSH client to sort it out and finally to convert the certificate since I could find no client able to directly use it.
Without accessing the console the sim is pretty useless as you only have a little pimple island in a big sea. So this SSH authentication thing simply has to be mastered. And with the greatest respect the best solution is for the SOD instructions to tell us how, from first principles. How to get a key pair in the first place, which client to get, and how to set it up to
"ssh to the instance using the hostname shown in the launcher."
However, I flattened my land, and was pretty pleased with my sim.
Only one tiny gripe - moving was just perceptibly sticky, and when I checked Statistics, Time Dilation was at an absolutely constant 0.93. Not the case on grids I visit. Odd.
Now I want help please, in uploading terrain data to change the shape of my land. I have my own data, and want to use it.
Altogether an excellent way of getting a sim to play with, and apart from the SSH'ing, pretty straightforward.
Recommended for those who understand SSH, and for others if the instructions get a bit fleshed out on that topic.
Lots of fun.-
OpenSimmer replied on November 12, 2008 02:51 to the praise "First Impressions are excellent" in Sim-OnDemand:
OK - Success - I got it working.
But getting into the console (to flatten the land witha a
"terrain fill 21" command) was hell.
"ssh to the instance using the hostname shown in the launcher." indeed !
and
"use the certificate file......login as root with the ssh key."
What was that about easy for non-geeks ?
After downloading and trying three SSH clients, all of which seemed to have different capabilities and required formats for these damned keys/certificates, I struggled through by using an extra tool with Putty to generate two keys from the certificate .pem file.
Absolute hell, and I'm still not totally sure how it finally worked, despite hours of googling, reading and experimenting.
I think it was worse because I chose not to put in a key pair at the start (didn't know how) and it was too late to go back so I had to get my SSH client to sort it out and finally to convert the certificate since I could find no client able to directly use it.
Without accessing the console the sim is pretty useless as you only have a little pimple island in a big sea. So this SSH authentication thing simply has to be mastered. And with the greatest respect the best solution is for the SOD instructions to tell us how, from first principles. How to get a key pair in the first place, which client to get, and how to set it up to
"ssh to the instance using the hostname shown in the launcher."
However, I flattened my land, and was pretty pleased with my sim.
Only one tiny gripe - moving was just perceptibly sticky, and when I checked Statistics, Time Dilation was at an absolutely constant 0.93. Not the case on grids I visit. Odd.
Now I want help please, in uploading terrain data to change the shape of my land. I have my own data, and want to use it.
Altogether an excellent way of getting a sim to play with, and apart from the SSH'ing, pretty straightforward.
Recommended for those who understand SSH, and for others if the instructions get a bit fleshed out on that topic.
Lots of fun. -
OpenSimmer replied on November 11, 2008 14:17 to the idea "What is Sim On Demand, and Why not running your sim 24x7 makes sense." in Sim-OnDemand:
Surely "not running your sim 24x7" on EC2 "makes sense" only because the costs are substantially higher than other methods? If it cost $10 a month it would make a LOT of sense relative to the alternatives. It would cost much more, of course - but how much more ? Can you give us a bit more of an indication? With only a few visitors a day as in a remote part of OSGrid ? -
OpenSimmer gave praise in Sim-OnDemand on November 11, 2008 13:58:
First Impressions are excellentThis looks excellent, and I intend to try it. Except this damn forum software, which is not very intelligible at first.
What is all this about "what we found"?
Anyway - to press on -
I balked at the amazon sign-on screen - does it need an account with AWS credentials, or just any old amazon identity ? I'll persevere in a moment.
I was thinking of making an Opensim AMI myself (though a total beginner) then I googled "OpenSim AMI" and found this.
If the lack of postings here is any guide, you need MORE INTEREST to encourage you to advance. I think you need to spread the word more eg postings on OSGrid forums, and the various SL discussion sites.
You will need to get grid mode working pronto, I think, and let ppl connect to eg OSGrid.
Your objective to make it available to non-geeks seems to collapse once we get into your instructions for connecting to the server console, for instance. Very opaque.
Also - payment:
people are very wary of starting down any road which leads to making a payment unless it is crystal clear what that payment will be - and i don't think you have made it crystal clear. Is the amazon payment you want us to authorise a payment to you, using amazon simply as a payment system, for an amount determined by you ? Or is it an Authorisation for Amazon to charge AWS expenditure to an AWS account, with you providing you system (currently) for free. I almost certain it's the latter - but if you don't make it clear, I think many people wont sign up. I certainly have no idea what the next step will be once I click to authorise that payment - and this people really do not like. If you have spelt it out and I have missed it, then the fact I did means it needs to be more prominent.
OK, I'll shut up now, and go try it - I'll dig out my AWS identity, since presumably that is what it needs.
Oh - incidentally - I think it would help people if you could give an estimate of cost to stay connected 24/7 for a month, with say 10 visiting avis per day for an hour each. I know it would be very rough, but it would get things in perspective.
Looks like a good effort so far - if it works well I think you should go flat out and push it.
But you must soon allow connection to a public grid, otherwise people might just as well run standalone on their home machine - it being only a little more difficult.
I'll be back soon.
