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curios replied on August 19, 2008 08:42 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
orlin is correct in what he says and as to a vendetta its the other way around and you now it as we say this side of the world don't fudge i once told you or invited you to take me to admin-
curios replied on August 19, 2008 08:29 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
if you care to look i have already three lots of $2000 each on mbl matches
and i know nothing about the game i have prove of your gaming -
curios replied on August 19, 2008 08:26 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
you are only attempting to cover up your short comings if you call one off a $1000 and one of$ 500 large when you game all the time and to you 10000 is nothing one thing to your credit you do keep your predictions open -
Destry replied on August 19, 2008 08:07 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
Yeah I will admit, I have a bad habit of suspending markets before they start. I know curios seems to be on a personal vendetta against me for creating AFL markets with accurate starting odds and suspend times that suspend before the matches begin. All the odds for the AFL markets can be checked at canbet.com, which is the same location I am getting the times for the matches.
As far as odds, of the 8 markets I created for the AFL this week, I did get the odds flipped on one of those markets. Curios made several large wagers to try to benefit from an honest mistake. As soon as I seen the odds were reversed, I quickly voided market and re created with accurate starting odds.
I know that Curios is a fan of the AFL markets, and after having a ton of his markets voided when he attempted to create, I began to create the markets so him and others that are into Aussie Rules Football would have fair and accurate markets to wager on. I even sent Curios a challenge for each of those newly created markets so he could wager on them immediately, not having to wait the 12 hours, that question creators do. -
curios replied on August 19, 2008 07:51 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
destry is the worst on suspension times as to odds he hasn't a clue.
having said that the biggest one is the dija indices that finish ai one am. talk about a money spinner ,i have to guess i am in bed . the indices is the cash cow as poor old epicur said -
Nigel Eccles replied on August 17, 2008 19:40 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
I am currently redesigning the question creation process and will try to make it clearer in that process when questions should suspend. -
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Destry replied on August 16, 2008 08:07 to the problem "Once more time about the suspend times" in Hubdub:
Orlin. I agree with you. Accurate suspend times is something that is challenging. One reason there hasn't been more effort is because so much effort was being spent making sure the times weren't too late or odds were more accurate. I know that with the addition of the category editors and super users, we have more eyes on the site than ever before and we can hopefully catch these.
What I can ask everyone to do is first like you suggested to try and get accurate times when question is created. Second if the market is something you know about and can help by flagging us with the correct suspend time, that would help greatly. Finally we can just try to keep an eye out on who is creating questions with bad suspend times and try to help them. We don't want to discourage users from creating markets, so hopefully we can find a solution that helps everyone.
Thanks for taking the time to report this problem, maybe just bringing it to the attention of everyone will help some. -
Orlin reported a problem in Hubdub on August 16, 2008 07:57:
Once more time about the suspend timesUsually users complains about a late suspending, probably because of vastly popular gaming paranoia.
Here's my complaints about the opposite: the earlier suspend times.
This apply mostly in sport questions category. There are far too many cases when question creators put their suspend times way earlier than the sport event begins. Only some examples: User Jake recently has put great effort of making many football questions, namely on the Olympics football quarterfinals and English football championship. This is good in general. But all his football questions suspends many hours before the games starts. There were some olympic questions (in athletics, for example) which were suspended at the beginning (or even earlier) of the Games, although the athletics tournament was to begin a whole weak later. This apply to some questions created by user Valornhonor who obviously put more attention to invent the most possible strange and complicated version of a question rather to a precise suspend time. Examples could be found in Motorsport subcategory where some questions on Formula 1, Indycar etc were suspended 12 and even 24 and more hours before the start of the given race. There are such cases in many other occasions (rugby etc).
All this is not good.
While there is explicite rule on the suspend time of sport events which cannot be after the event begins, there is not a firm reciproque rule against the unnecessary earlier suspention.
In my opinion this is great problem which decreases the pleasure as well as the activity on those questions.
A good example of well created and usually precise in suspend times questions are the efforts of SDCharger.
My note to the question creators of the sport questions: please, do this little effort to check the exact start times of the sport events. Generally, most sport events have firm start times and it is not at all hard to find them.
And to the category editors and superusers: please, pay attention not only at late, but also at too early suspend times.
This will be good for the game of Hubdub, for its popularity and the activity as well as for the users and their pleasure of participating in those type of questions which are of the most popular ones.
Thank you. -
hubdubbob replied on August 05, 2008 15:50 to the discussion "New Category editors!" in Hubdub:
Congratulations to all of the new Admins and Super Users, but I wonder if there are getting to be too many?
I can understand the need for a different editor per category, and/or having a given editor monitor more than one of the less used categories.
More admins and super users can be a problem, if they are not "on the same page" when it comes to approving, flagging, voiding, etc. questions, and eventual settlements.
It seems to me at least, there are incidents of admins, etc. making decisions, providing advice, etc. in categories of which they are not responsible. Though this can be a benefit at times, it appears there are conflicting differences. I would think overall, it would be better if editors stick with their own category(ies).
I recognize it can be difficult in some situations to administer a given situation, if things are not clear, but there is still too much inconsistency in the suspension and voiding of questions, etc. Also, when a question is suspended and/or voided, a detailed explanation should be provided for all to see, and not just a simple 3-4 word statement.
As a basic, non-managemnt Hubdub user, all I want to see is fairness, consistency , and as quickly as possible the approval or suspension/voiding of market questions and eventual settlement of those making the cut. I think this will perhaps be more evident, when the amount of commenting has noticeably decreased. Seems there is less comment, when more users are "happy".
Again, congratulations to all of the new admins and super users. Don't get upset over anything I have written above. It is intended to be constructive. -
curios replied on August 05, 2008 07:54 to the discussion "New Category editors!" in Hubdub:
we still have to wait ages , even if they are wrong .
what i wonder is how many are still active members? -
Bayoubear replied on August 03, 2008 07:50 to the discussion "Friends automatically seeing questions wagered on" in Hubdub:
Great discussion and great action and reaction...shows how Getsatisfaction can work to benefit us all... -
ontilt replied on August 03, 2008 03:25 to the discussion "Friends automatically seeing questions wagered on" in Hubdub:
Thanks tom.
I wasn't making any predictions until this was changed. If after a few days it wasn't, I was either going to dump all my friends to maintain some sort of privacy or not participate at hubdub anymore. I am glad to see this was a short lived trial. -
Chatarra replied on August 02, 2008 23:55 to the discussion "New Category editors!" in Hubdub:
@Orlin,
Lofty was not the best choice of words to use. I wake up at 3:00 AM to take on a job that I really do not like and my mood was rather foul. Now I have worked a 13 hour day, but it was not a hard day, just a long day.
However, I feel your response was a bit too harsh. After all this is a freebie site, where the winnings are not as important as say having an account with a major brokerage firm. I have always lived my life that you are more likely to get satisfaction using sugar instead of vinegar.
As for delayed settlements, I agree that it would be great to have all settlements posted a little quicker, but I also imagine that is easier said than done. Usually when I win a settlement, I am not alone in picking the winning wager, and my pre-settlement earnings on the question have substantially increased, sometimes to the point where the final settlement only adds a fraction of the total winnings.
Plus, I do not feel your opinion or the opinion of anybody else doesn't matter to this discussion. Why would Rob Jones bother to post this announcement with a blog style thread, if he wanted no further communication?
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Tom Griffiths replied on August 02, 2008 17:41 to the discussion "Friends automatically seeing questions wagered on" in Hubdub:
Ok folks, after some feedback here and elsewhere we've made the change so that private predictions are not shown at all on the question page. Thanks for your thoughts, I hope this shows we do listen to and value your input when building the site. -
curios replied on August 02, 2008 13:21 to the discussion "When should questions related to the stock market (DJIA, NASDAQ, etc.) close?" in Hubdub:
you all make a lot of sense in this matter i have a go i suggest on indices factually, will the Dow open up its wrongly worded it should read will the djia open up moot point ,no factual also on NASDAQ it should read ixic open blah blah the stranger thing about it is djia refers to industrial and NASDAQ refers to composite? they both in my mind refer to composite food for thought as you may or may not know and i have to guess and the best objective is to allow only one wager, roll on other indices just do not use opening of ftse as the English stock exchange always opens on the day before price then goes on from there (just my opinion ) -
A comment on the discussion "When should questions related to the stock market (DJIA, NASDAQ, etc.) close?" in Hubdub:
That would be great. It would be good to have specific markets with set closing times like for the Dow/Nasdaq. I think you might want to have a restriction on the number of in-play questions per day though, especially with the non-US markets which traditionally have had lower liquidity and participation. – InfernalMachine, on August 02, 2008 12:29 -
Tom Griffiths replied on August 02, 2008 12:25 to the discussion "Friends automatically seeing questions wagered on" in Hubdub:
Hey both, sorry to hear you don't like the new feature, we were attempting to make Hubdub a more social experience, so you can enjoy seeing what friends are predicting on and start a discussion around their predictions. You can still choose to make a prediction private, and in this case friends will not see the option you selected (albeit that that can actually help game play, because other users following your predictions increases your prediction's worth). -
Bayoubear replied on August 02, 2008 11:56 to the discussion "When should questions related to the stock market (DJIA, NASDAQ, etc.) close?" in Hubdub:
I'm am looking towards having some of the other markets restored, FTSE and DAX, plus possibly some from the Far East . . . I agree that having only DJIA and NASDAQ leaves something to be desired... -
Orlin replied on August 02, 2008 11:41 to the discussion "New Category editors!" in Hubdub:
Why 'lofty', Chatarra? Just an opinion, very subjective.
"Indifferent & unconcerned" - because my opinion doesn't matter; nothing's changing. I simply tell what are my perceptions, nothing more.
New admins - means to me a more quick reaction on settlement. There were many cases when we waited far too long for settlement. This does not add to the pleasure of the game.
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