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    Owen Kelly replied on December 18, 2009 11:10 to the idea "Raindrop should synchronize email between networked computers." in Mozilla Messaging:

    Owen Kelly
    FWIW I achieve complete syncing by using a Portable Apps version of TBird (from portableapps.com) and a Dropbox account.

    I have created a PortableApps folder inside my Dropbox folder, and that is where TBird lives.

    Before I log out of any of my computers I remember to close TBird and then wait 90 seconds while Dropbox updates the files. (I check the Dropbox tooltip just in case I have forgotten that I have done 3 million things and therefore it is going to take 5 minutes to sync).

    When I log into another computer I remember to check Dropbox and don't start TBird until Dropbox says that all files are up to date - which usually takes about 45 seconds.

    This works with IMAP and pop, and also with Lightning calendars (if you still use that) - and with Firefox and Sunbird (which I now use).

    Cheers
    Owen
  • problem

    Owen Kelly replied on December 18, 2009 10:00 to the problem "Thunderbird 3 Is All Hype!" in Mozilla Messaging:

    Owen Kelly
    My experience is that you can do exactly that,

    But I would advise copying your data folder first. This is where all your profile / settings / and so on are, so if you copy that and reinstall TB2 then you should be able to simply replace the default folder with yours.

    As I said above I now use the versions available from PortableApps.com because these make the whole process of upgrading/downgrading very simple. And they work fine on a laptop or a desktop computer - you do not need to install them on a USB stick!

    Cheers
    Owen
  • question

    Owen Kelly asked a question in Mozilla Messaging on December 18, 2009 09:44:

    Owen Kelly
    Sunbird: suggestions wanted for archiving strategies
    Does anyone have a sensible archiving startegy for Sunbird? I want all my calendars from 2000 onwards to be available to me, but I don't want them to slow Sunbird down any more than necessary.

    I could, for example, have them as unchecked calendars, if unchecked calendars are not loaded at start-up. Are they?

    If I do this (assuming this is sensible) then the question arises: how do I separate future and past events? And how do I move them from the active calendars to the archives with the least amount of pain...

    Should I mimic printed diaries and start new calendar(s) each year, and if so what should I do with last year's calendars?

    Any suggestions?

    Cheers
    Owen
  • question

    Owen Kelly replied on December 18, 2009 08:57 to the question "Sunbid 0.9: possible Task View" in Mozilla:

    Owen Kelly
    Hi, I mailed you a few days ago but maybe I should get your attention here :)

    After experimenting with Lightning I am now firmly back in the Sunbird camp, and so wanting to spend my Christmas break getting a working Task View, as discussed above.

    Can you send me whatever documentation you think I need to get started to owen@owenkelly.net please. All I want for Xmas is a Sunbird Task View :)
  • problem

    Owen Kelly replied on December 18, 2009 08:23 to the problem "Thunderbird 3 Is All Hype!" in Mozilla Messaging:

    Owen Kelly
    Hmm, I think most of this thread is silly. If the time for civil dialog is over then maybe the thread could be retitled "Headless Chickens"

    Personally I installed TB3 and found I didn't like it - for none of the reasons stated here but nonetheless legitimate ones.

    I simply reinstalled TB2. This took me less than four minutes. I moved my Data folder (before installing TB3 and then again before reinstalling TB2), and I dropped it into the "new" TB2 folder. Everything just worked.

    Maybe I should add that there are many reasons (including upgrade probs) to install the PortableApps versions. Then you can swap them in and out at will. This deals with upgrade-happy campers like me. And gives me an instant downgrade route any time I want.

    If you only want tried-and-true versions then right now you have no problem. As noted above you have to manually click Check for Upgrades to get TB2 to fetch TB3 for you - and if you are in the habit of doing that then IMHO you are getting what you deserve.

    I "wasted" about fifteen minutes of my life exploring the new features. The headless chicken problem is what exactly?

    And all this talk about "the directors" and "the CEO" just make me want to weep. We are all so powerless and "they" are doing all this to us, and we must make "them" realise how much we are hurting. We have wasted weeks of our lives and it is all "their" fault.. Is this really the issue?

    If you want to make a difference then stop bleating here and start joing in. Isn't that what open source is supposed to be about? I guess some people are born consumers, or alternatively some people have a hard time realising that TB is being developed in a playground where we can all go and play. (And no I am not in that playground, I just recognise that I could be if I wanted to be.)

    Or to state the reasons for this post slightly differently: I prefer TB2 to TB3 and have gone back to using it, but I have no issues whatsoever with Mozilla for developing TB3, nor offering it to me. Good for them I say.

    I am planning to file some reports about what I think is "wrong" with TB3 and I guess that somewhere around TB3.1 I will jump on it and love it :)
  • question

    Owen Kelly replied on December 17, 2009 08:13 to the question "Lightning for Thunderbird 3.0 ? WAS:The frustration of incompatibility" in Mozilla Messaging:

    Owen Kelly
    It is ready already. You can use the nightly builds. You can get these from the Mozilla site, but there are other threads here explaining how to do this in step-by-step detail.
  • star

    Owen Kelly marked one of Philipp Kewisch's replies in Mozilla as useful. Philipp Kewisch replied to the question "Sunbid 0.9: possible Task View".

  • question

    Owen Kelly replied on October 12, 2009 13:14 to the question "Sunbid 0.9: possible Task View" in Mozilla:

    Owen Kelly
    Philipp, your email link in the last message doesn't work. If you give me a working link then I will mail you.

    The first step will be to get a working task view. If/when I have that then I will think about other ways that I can join in :)

    Owen
  • question

    Owen Kelly asked a question in Mozilla on October 12, 2009 08:13:

    Owen Kelly
    Sunbid 0.9: possible Task View
    Lightning has a "task view" in which the large calendar window contains the task list and the small vertical window contains the mini-calendar and a list of upcoming events. Sunbird does not have this - the tasks are ONLY visible in the column under the mini-calendar.

    I can think of two possible situtaions that might cause this:

    1. The core functionality is present in both Lightning and Sunbird, but the interface elements to display the task view have not yet been put into place in Sunbird

    2. Some of the core functionality has not yet been implemented in Sunbird.

    If it is the former then creating a task view is essentially a matter of fiddling with the interface files, and thus something I could attempt. If it is the latter (if some of the core functionality is still missing) then it is not something I could even think of attempting.

    Can someone from Mozilla please:

    1. explain which of the above best describes the current situation in Sunbird 0.9;
    2. tell me if an official task view is forthcoming.
    3. if the lack of a task view *is* an interface issue (ie a matter of xul files) and if there is no official solution coming soon, then can you point me towards the documentation I need to start my new hobby - giving Sunbird the final piece of functionality that I personally need :)

    Cheers
    Owen
  • question

    Owen Kelly replied on October 08, 2009 08:21 to the question "Sunbird 0.9: switching the Task List to the right" in Mozilla:

    Owen Kelly
    Hi,

    Many thanks. Funnily enough I had already thought of altering the xul file, but the mention of css made me think that perhaps there was a less drastic way of doing it :)

    Your instructions worked fine, with one proviso, and I know have exactly what I want - and (for me at least) the new layout is far more intuitive, perhaps because I amke a lot of use of the task list.

    The one proviso: in step 4 above you have to add the cut code ABOVE the lines marked in the second piece of code; that is, above line 210 and not after line 211. I am noting this here just in case anyone else decides to follow along :)

    All I need now is a "task view" like in Lightning (where the Tasks fill the big panel and the vertical box contains the mini-calendar and a list of coming events) and Sunbird will be perfect - and I suppose I can figure out how to do this too, if I play with the xul file long enough :)

    Many many thanks.
    Owen
  • question

    Owen Kelly replied on October 07, 2009 12:02 to the question "Sunbird 0.9: switching the Task List to the right" in Mozilla:

    Owen Kelly
    Actually, I phrased my question slightly wrongly. The answer you suggested is EXACTLY what I wanted: the whole vertical box on the right. I wanted the calendar on the left and the single vertical bar (with mini-calendar and tasks) on the right.

    The placement of the tasks in Lightning was something I liked. The boxes on both left and right was something I definitely didn't like. (I much prefer the tabbed approach to the mini-calendar and calendar list that Sunboird uses.)

    On the other hand I have looked at the XUL file you linked to, and I am not sure how to reposition the vBox with the id "left-hand-content", which is I presume the one you are referring to.

    My reading of the the xul file suggests that repositioning this vBox would also mean repositioning the splitter so that it sits on the right of the calendar and thus on the left of the repositioned task box.

    Am I right?

    If this is one of those cases where its "2 minutes if you know what you are doing" and "2 days if you are exploring in the dark", then I would be glad of an example css fragment, or pointers as to how to approach this.

    Many many thanks

    Owen
  • idea

    Owen Kelly replied on October 06, 2009 18:32 to the idea "We need tab view events and tasks to sunbird like the lightning addon" in Mozilla:

    Owen Kelly
    We definiitely need SOME way to see tasks, other than in the list on the left. Lightning gives you a Task View that is available in the main (calendar) panel, where you can see all, or most of the columns at once. This does not seem to be available in Sunbird 0.9, which is a great shame.

    It is the only serious problem that I have with it. Other than that it is great :)
  • question

    Owen Kelly asked a question in Mozilla on October 06, 2009 18:28:

    Owen Kelly
    Sunbird 0.9: switching the Task List to the right
    Hi,

    Is it possible to switch the Task List to the right hand side using userchrome.css, or a similar method? It is personal preference but I would very much like the calendar on the left and the Task List on the right :)

    Many thanks
    Owen
  • idea

    Owen Kelly replied on August 20, 2009 19:20 to the idea "View Twitter Replies From Hellotxt" in HelloTxt:

    Owen Kelly
    I completely agree. I am using hellotxt to send and receive all my update/tweet things, and I have just realised that I have missed two important @owenkelly messages on Twitter because I had not actually been there.

    If I have to go to the Twitter page to check if I have replies or DMs then it creates problems like: should I just go there and post in the first place?

    I love hellotxt. I think it works fast and does the job. Is there also a way that it can extend itself and show me my replies and DMs?

    Please :)
  • question

    Owen Kelly replied on June 15, 2009 21:00 to the question "How to add a company/product to my favorits?" in Get Satisfaction:

    Owen Kelly
    Can I add that I think this is very, very silly.

    I have 9 companies on my dashboard, and (a few months later) I wanted to add Postbox to the list. I looked around for almost an hour trying to figure out how to do it. If the only way to do it is to rate the company, then that is dopey in two ways:

    1. I am at the moment thinking about using Postbox. From a distance it looks fantastic but I want to explore the existing questions and answers, maybe add a question or two of my own, BEFORE deciding whether to commit to it, at which point I will be in a position to rate it;

    2. If rating a company or service is the only way to add it to my favorites, then it should say so. You should say something like "Rate the company to add it to your favorites. You can always come back and change the rating as your experience grows".

    The current process is either not intuitive or (in my specific case) counter-intuitive - and it would be simple to fix. The sentence in quotes, or something similar, would make the whole process transparent.

    And it goes without saying that i am only bothering to mention this at all because Get Satisfaction is a very good idea done very well. And I like it a lot :)

    Cheers
    Owen
  • idea

    A comment on the idea "Philosophy & Pricing" in AirSet:

    Owen Kelly
    Brian,

    This sounds fine, and it gives you a solid basis to add to the separate offerings in different ways, thus in the longer term incorporating some of the other suggestions, such as the master groups, and so on.

    One nit-picking point that I think will prove important when you are selling the services: can you make sure they all have two word names?

    I mean something like this:

    1. Airset Free
    and two premium options:
    2. Airset Personal
    3. Airset Group

    Each name is then a clear and simple brand that is easy to say, easy to remember, and says what it does.

    Cheers
    Owen – Owen Kelly, on March 27, 2009 09:09
  • idea

    Owen Kelly replied on March 26, 2009 16:47 to the idea "Philosophy & Pricing" in AirSet:

    Owen Kelly
    Thanks Brian, and please feel free to quote me :)

    I am in two minds about the idea of keeping it simple/getting it out quickly though, because I think that, like the recent upgrade, its something you can only do once, and can't then undo.

    If there is Airset Free, and some versino of Airset Personal, then you will also need to be clear and public about what the third offering is (the group-based one), who it is aimed at and what its premium advantages are.

    Jim and I had somewhat different ideas about the group offering and since (from what I have gleaned here) Jim administrates a couple of very large groups, I suspect his ideas should perhaps carry more weight here than mine. Nonetheless I think we would both agree that this third option (Airset Business, Airset for Organizers, whatever) should be clear and attractive to a specific target group, at the time you launch the Personal option, or there is a danger that the Personal option will simply cause even more confusion.

    Cheers
    Owen
  • idea

    Owen Kelly replied on March 26, 2009 13:59 to the idea "Philosophy & Pricing" in AirSet:

    Owen Kelly
    I would like to clarify a couple of points.

    1: The Airset Personal model would allow for family groups where members regard Airset differently. Family members who made Airset their main/only diary & organiser would probably happily spend $2 a month to be premium users, while family members who only used it occasionally because everyone else did would probably live with the advertisements - but everyone would get to be in the same group.

    2: In the Airset for Organisers model, I do not visualise the sub-groups or child groups as having any extra storage. Rather the main group would get 25gb, and the group owner would get the option to allocating part of that allowance to each sub-group they created.

    This would allow for the creation of short-term discussion/planning groups (that are insulated from the view of other members) which do not need their own storage. It would also allow for organisations that wanted to create, say, a main company group and four departmental groups, each with 5gb of storage.

    If group organisers did need to exceed their 25gb allowance then they could purchase additional storage space from Airset that they could allocate between the master group and sub-groups.

    Apologies for not saying this the first time :)

    Owen
  • idea

    Owen Kelly shared an idea in AirSet on March 26, 2009 08:40:

    Owen Kelly
    Philosophy & Pricing
    A few years back when I started using Airset there was a very clear difference between what it offered and what everybody else offered. This difference came from a core philosophy, and had very practical implications. It was the reason we chose Airset.

    Every other online group-organising software I have come across, from Google Apps and Zoho Business to educational CMS like Blackboard and Moodle, proceeds from the same assumption. I join. I am asked to name my organisation/company, and then I become King of that company. I am the Super-Administrator, and I can appoint administrators and give them privileges. They can appoint juniors and so on. The structure is a pyramid and if anyone wants to create a new group/project/whatever, they have to ask the person above them in the hierarchy, and sometimes the request needs to go all the way up to the King at the top. This is the kind of hierarchical system that rules Medieval England.

    Airset, on the other hand, more nearly modelled an ideal 18th century town. Everyone is queen of her own castle, and people join together in different overlapping groups, needing nobody else's permission. I am the head teacher in the school and I rule the school group. Jeff is the head volunteer fireman and I am a member of his group. And so on. Importantly, groups can come and go. Some of us decide to hold a summer fair. The originator oi the idea starts a temporary group. We join. The fair is held. The task is done and the group is disbanded. In this model there is no King, and groups are tools through which people come together for as long as necessary - and groups interact and overlap as needed.

    These two models are very different philosophically, and have different pedagogical and practical outcomes. They have different core objects. In the first model the core object is the organisation, which has an administrator who admits members and assigns them roles. In the second model the core object is the individual who bands together with other individuals in a variety of groups that are of varying degrees of permanence. In the first model, when I leave the company I leave the Airset group, and all my relationships inside the company group are lost. In the second model, when I leave the company, I lose membership of my official work group, but retain all my other relationships.

    The second model has been important to us, because our students can form their own research/workshop groups without having to ask my permission, and then share anything they want or need to share from that group to the "official" course group. This has proved flexible, popular and empowering.

    Originally, as I understood it, Airset's goal was to create a personal and social organiser for people who organised in the way suggested by the second model. You joined Airset individually and then formed or joined groups: family, work, church, hockey club and so on. The tool set acknowledged this, providing non-business applications like music and photo albums. In this model paying for Airset by the group would make no sense at all. Let us call these the individual users.

    On the other hand, it appears that a lot of people (maybe most people) are using Airset for some variation of the first, organisation-based, model. They probably have no need of music and photo albums, and would be quite happy to pay by the group - because their members only use one group, plus (maybe) their own personal "web computer". Let us call these the organisation users.

    Brian asked the question: how can we set up payment options that will not confuse or anger people, but still take care of these two types of use? (I am paraphrasing here!) I think that there is an answer hidden in the current AIrset feature set that, with a bit of tweaking, could differentiate between these two uses, and provide the basis for the two different uses. Here is how it would work.

    1. Premium individual users pay $2 per month. For this they can join or start as many groups as they like. Each group has 1gb of storage, and each member gets 1gb of personal storage. Each group can contain a mixture of free and premium members. Free members see advertisements on every page they visit in Airset. Premium members visit the same pages but see no advertisements at all.

    2. Premium organisation (business?) groups cost $10 a month, which is paid by the person starting them. The group gets 25gb of storage. Each member gets 1gb of personal storage. Everybody who is invited into the group gets an advertisement-free view of Airset.

    3. The master group option is only available to premium business groups. In fact every premium group IS a master group, and every group organiser can create as many child-groups as they wish, linked to the main master group. The only rule is that only members of the main group can be invited into the child-groups.

    4. Master groups are tweaked so that sharing information from the master group to the child-groups is optional. This provides a new level of functionality that allows separate sub-groups to be created within a premium group. (From recent forum posts, it would enable groups to be created for two separate stage shows, assuming that everyone involved in the shows was also part of the master Theatre group.)

    Airset would then have two clear offerings:

    1. Airset Personal (for people who joined as individuals and formed "informal" groups, as in the original model; and
    2. Airset for Organizers (for people who want to organise and maintain businesses, churches, clubs, and so on).

    Does that make sense, Brian? Does it make sense to anyone else - LOL?

    Cheers
    Owen
  • question

    A comment on the question "Combining free and premium." in AirSet:

    Owen Kelly
    Hi,

    My reply is too long and detailed to leave here, so I am starting a new thread called Philosophy & Pricing.

    Cheers
    Owen – Owen Kelly, on March 26, 2009 08:37
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