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TheParadox2 replied on July 03, 2009 05:01 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
TheParadox2 replied on July 01, 2009 04:53 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
TheParadox2 replied on July 01, 2009 04:18 to the idea "Album art media view ideas" in Songbird:
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TheParadox2 shared an idea in Songbird on June 29, 2009 16:02:
Lightweight and quicker songbirdIn my view the lighter something is, the better (Excpet maybe gold, you can give me heavy gold over lighter gold any day). Good code is inexpensive in system resources and produces fast, efficient dependable applications. The more code, the more complexe, the more error prone...the worse off stuff starts to become. Songbird is the Windows vista of media players. Its got tons of options (maybe even some bloat) but its not lightweight, or quick at all, and its very resource hungry. We need to put our bird on a diet.
Lets take winamp and songbird and compare them using the same 6700+ song library. First in memory consumption:
Songbird: 106 Megs
Songbird (Miniplayer): 86 Megs
Winamp Big Bento: 66.23 Megs
Winamp Classic: 22 Megs
in one word: Yikes!
Lets talk start-up (running a winXP Core2Duo clocked @ 1.87ghz and 1Gb of DDR 667 ram desktop). I counted how many times i could say Mississippi before the app appeared up and functional. I didn't say numbers; I counted the words using my hand, and if the app completed in between the 'mississippi' i broke it into 4 parts (mis sis sip pi) and counted fractions. I took timed 3 warm starts, and the app was allowed a start before I started timing it.
Songbird: 6.75
Songbird (mini player): 3.25
Winamp Big Bento: 2.25
Winamp Classic: 0.75
While not the most scientific time measurement... its pretty accurate.
We need to set goals to make songbird this competitive. Even if songbird has all the features winamp does (and it doesn't) nobody wants a vista like media player: slow, clunky and... ....slow.
This should be one of our higher priorities people... not just form and functions... heres a real world exampe: Firefox and chrome. Firefox is now starting to appear unattractive to users because of the dramatic start-up speed chrome has. Firefox 3.6 is main focus is performance... The highest priority items are 1) Faster start-up speed, Faster internals (like launching a new tab), and fast awesome bar queries. 2) Lightweight add-ons and themes (memory and start-up related). and to be able to install add-ons without a restart (less time waiting for firefox, more browsing)... thats skinny on the namoroka outline!
all im saying is we can and should do better.
TheParadox2 replied on June 29, 2009 15:10 to the idea "Intergrate Youtube Playlists" in Songbird:
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A comment on the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
agree with putting web search results last.
Maybe typing "wikipedia" or 'wiki' starts to invoke a wiki search like ubiquity – TheParadox2, on June 29, 2009 13:55
TheParadox2 replied on June 29, 2009 13:53 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
TheParadox2 replied on June 29, 2009 13:48 to the question "Retag all your tags in files with the tags in Songbird db?" in Songbird:
not that i know of, but i've proposed an idea that would let you create a play list (the now playing play list) and drag and drop a tag on it: thus tagging the items.
My request (Here: http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/t...) for a new playlist item, which is a list of items YOU want to play, but it aslo points out some more flexibility with these playlists such as a a 'mass tag' or 'mass rate' as your asking.
TheParadox2 shared an idea in Songbird on June 29, 2009 13:44:
Now playing the now playing play listBasically, I want an "always there, can't delete this play lists" which represents what a list of items that i'd like to play. Currently, i see no such item in my play lists menu. Its not implemented.
You can, add songs to this list by dragging items from the library into it, or possible right click on them and "play now" or "enqueue" on the "now playing" play list
We can also drag items from the Awesome library bar (which is also yet another idea) onto the "now playing" play list or even drag tags (which don't exist yet) or ratings (which isn't implemented) to quickly rate all the song or tag all the songs.
TheParadox2 replied on June 29, 2009 13:27 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
I've thought about this, and had a lengthy discussion with some friends over it, basically we all agreed on this method and combination:
1) Enqueue in a play list.
2) Display results or
3) Only play the item and then stop.
Take an album or a whole artist... it makes sense to treat these like play lists soo...lets create a play list (Call it, the "Now Playing" play list), and play it like a normal play list (Shuffle, repeat apply). When its done, its done. When the user wants a change or switch to another artist/album... he simply repeats the process... This falls under "play and quit".
This doesn't make sense with single songs (although I think I'd use it a lot personally). So maybe we can we can bounce this off the a playlist somehow, but also provide some flexibility for the user. It also should be simple, quick, and obvious.
1) If nothing is playing, adding the song to the "now playing play list" and play the song. Same as an album, whole artist, or another playlist - we're being redundant and giving the same results.
2) if a song is playing, we should either enqueue to the playlist, or jump directly to it... rather than telling the user, we can make allow specific methods for this:
2a) Hitting enter is the same thing as hitting play. (Basically, Hittingenter is a "stop all and play" mechanism - We've built a common theme).
2b) Ok, maybe its not expected, SOOoo... we need a Fall back Mechanism!! If this kills your "now playing" play list, lets use those darn navigation buttons and "back out" to where we were happy with the list and try again.
one problem, its smart and simple, but is it 'obvious'? I don't think so. It might be confusing too. Does this interfere with the current back/forth method? or does it work with it?
It seems to follow the 'natural flow' of things, but basically we're cutting out the 'navigate library history' method, and putting in 'navigate the now playing list history'
Its close to the same function, but its not... so is it an improvement?
3) Drag & Drop: This can be an artist, album, song, playlist (What about tags... ratings?!) It can be as simple as dragging the album/artist artwork icon and dropping it:
3a) on the now playing playlist.
3b) on the library pane.
3c) on a different, personal playlist.
3d) again fall backs... the nav buttons. (Redundancy)
4) Menus... you can right click on the item and have you way with it (play, enqueue)
5) Icons: A simple + icon means you add it to the list.
I think the "now playing" playlist is a good idea (although basically, thats atleast 1 feature that needs to be added).
Feedback?!
A comment on the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
Then we can rate by most commonly played songs... Theres a play count built in :p – TheParadox2, on June 28, 2009 16:14
A comment on the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
I didn't realize there was a port of ubiquity to songbird... I think as ubiquity/taskfox/taskbird makes it out of the labs and into the wild, we'll see some really amazing feedback and features pulled out, some from the public, but maybe some from web developers themselves.
Im getting excited about it. Its different and really 'out of the box' thinking.
I've been slow to take up ubiquity, but I'm really starting to like it. Its basically what i was looking for...
It needs just needs some love. – TheParadox2, on June 26, 2009 16:12
TheParadox2 replied on June 26, 2009 16:02 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
TheParadox2 replied on June 25, 2009 06:40 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
TheParadox2 replied on June 25, 2009 03:07 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
wow, some really good points. The album art idea is great! i never thought about that... it makes a lot of sense! In fact, going back to the framework this is based off of, Firefox, the favicon is displayed in the list, so it would/should have been natural to include artwork.
+1 to album artwork.
You also got another one on me searching play lists as an item as well.
+1 for searching play lists as well as songs, artists, albums, meta
More items... "Quick Search Box uses the "more items" method like in your mockup, but I just feel like it makes you do too much unnecessary navigating."
I agree that a "more items" usually does create some "unnecessary navigating". The original idea behind it was for very vague results to spawn into a new tab... for example searching "Beatles" and hitting "More Items" gives every song/album - whatever because this list is supposed to be short, sweet and simple. I wanna listen to song "xyz123" so if I type "xy" and hit down and enter... I've pretty much got it. My focus is clearly on the song as a single entity. you can tell by reading the first line in my original statement: "I don't like having to dig through my library"
Your method of having the arrows really does the same thing as what I'm proposing, just with a different method and focus. Your focus is simplicity & generalization where i like viewing data and trying to get very specific results.
For example your Beatles query produces the entire artist as a single "entity", A specific song (I'm guessing ranked high), 3 albums and a play list.
The same query on my method probably produces the 5 top played songs, The artist as a whole, 2 commonly played albums... and now with your input a play list.
I'm not saying your wrong. Its just different. I'd prefer a new tab or filtering the current library tab if you don't wanna hunt the menu. You like a menu driven interface, its as simple as just hit over like on a traditional menu and see "the top 5 that follow some criteria". You have to keep in mind, some people will have over 10,000 songs... There are people with over 150 gigs of music.
Both are equally good ideas. I just really want the same functionality thats close to firefox.
TheParadox2 replied on June 24, 2009 05:49 to the idea "Awesome Library Bar!" in Songbird:
TheParadox2 replied on June 22, 2009 15:04 to the idea "DLNA Support" in Songbird:
...alright... i see on the dlna.org site... after a read through, its on both UPnP and DLNA wikipedia pages as well.
"The UPnP AV standards have been referenced in specifications published by other organizations including Digital Living Network Alliance Networked Device Interoperability Guidelines[7], International Electrotechnical Commission IEC 62481-1 [8], and Cable Television Laboratories OpenCable Home Networking Protocol [9]."
Thanks for the correction. I thought i understood this stuff.
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