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Bye Mark(s). May your inbox be forever free of junk mail. ;) – wykananda, on November 10, 2009 19:07

Dear Mark, this forum is about stating and solving problems; writing "I don't like GMail" with no explanation as to why will not help any of us get any closer to a solution and only serves to spread F.U.D.

Please do your best to keep your entries civil and meaningful. You could start by signing the petition mentioned a few posts ago.

[mark palmos writes "Please do us a favour and go away." ]
I wasn't aware that you had multiple personalties. I send my regards to all of them. :)

Be well. – wykananda, on November 10, 2009 17:41

Here is a link to a petition to add the "non-threaded conversation" feature to gmail. Looks like they still need a lot of signatures so go sign it and pass it on!

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions...

...and Jennifer too! – wykananda, on November 05, 2009 00:44

Mark, G's Labels are FAR more flexible and faster to use than folders and you should be embarrassed to even mention yahoo filters. Not only that, but you even get the luxury of paying for some of the so-called advanced features (that are all free in G) in your beloved Yahoo - and sometimes they might even work properly :sarcasm:!

You win. Best of luck with your YMail. As for me, I can't afford to waste my time with that half-baked, watered-down, pay-for-this-and-we'll-give-you-that sometimes-working grannymail. You obviously have a better time with it and I am glad for you.

It's G for me - hands down.

Now can we please stop this, we are upsetting linka.fox!

[ i managed not to sigh this time :) ] – wykananda, on November 05, 2009 00:13

:sigh: Hey Mark, never did mention the chatting feature but thanks for pointing that out. Try holding the Shift key down when you click on a GMail message header - you'll be pleasantly surprised. It would be "nice" to have a split-view option but definitely non-essential IMHO. Please check out the Themes feature in the "Settings" link at the top right - some themes even respond to the time of day, weather, and season based on your location.

Any tool is of limited worth if one does not expend some effort to learn how to use it. While there is room for improvement, I would loath having to go back to working without some of "all" the features you don't seem to have a use for (convergence of my 5 (other) email accounts / offline access / IMAP / powerful filtering / GApps ...). So GMail for me - Yahoo for you. Problem solved!

Work for google? hmmm - If you really must feel the need to go there - sigh - I suppose we could just as easily turn the table and ask whether you have some investment in Yahoo you wish to protect - but luckily we are both bigger than that ;) – wykananda, on November 04, 2009 21:56

:sigh: Hey Mark, never did mention the chatting feature but thanks for pointing that out. Try holding the Shift key down when you click on a GMail message header - you'll be pleasantly surprised. It would be "nice" to have a split-view option but definitely non-essential IMHO. Please check out the Themes feature in the "Settings" link at the top right - some themes even respond to the time of day, weather, and season based on your location.

Any tool is of limited worth if one does not spend the time to learn how to use it. While there is room for improvement, I would loath having to go back to working without some of "all" the features you don't seem to have a use for (convergence of my 5 (other) email accounts / offline access / IMAP / powerful filtering / GApps ...). So GMail for me - Yahoo for you. Problem solved!

Work for google? hmmm - If you really must feel the need to go there - sigh - I suppose we could just as easily turn the table and ask whether you have some investment in Yahoo you wish to protect - but we are both bigger than that thankfully ;) – wykananda, on November 04, 2009 21:56

No offence intended Mark but if "Gmail has no features which are of any interest to me" then I think you are clearly wasting your time on this thread which is for GMail users unsatisfied with a single missing option in GMail they would like to see included.

I'm glad your experience with Yahoo has been a good one. I wish I (and a great many others - search the net) could say the same. I hardly think that deserves calling my statements false - they are quite truly my very real experience! Yahoo email reminds me of a slightly glorified Squirrel Mail. If that suits users and they enjoy the Yahoo approach to the webverse and business in general, than I am very happy for them :) However, for me it leaves much to be desired.

Mark, I never meant to imply that I disagree with the adversity some have for 'conversation threading'. What I did intend to imply is that some of the frustrations I see that people have with GMail are often from a lack knowledge of this great tool.

I'm sorry if any of my comments upset you or come across to you as insincere. This is not my intention. Be well and I will be happy for everyone here if the feature they are looking for is added to gmail. Perhaps YOU may even find a feature of interest to you that you didn't know was there before if you look around - Offline webmail for example - try that with Yahoo ;)

Wykananda – wykananda, on November 04, 2009 17:01

No offence intended Mark but if "Gmail has no features which are of any interest to me" then I think you are clearly wasting your time on this thread which is for GMail users unsatisfied with a single missing option in GMail they would like to see included.

I'm glad your experience with Yahoo has been a good one. I wish I (and a great many others - search the net) could say the same. I hardly think that deserves calling my statements false - they are quite truly my very real experience! Yahoo email reminds me of a slightly glorified Squirrel Mail. If that suits users and they enjoy the Yahoo approach to the webverse and business in general, than I am very happy for them :) However, for me it leaves much to be desired.

Mark, I never meant to imply that I disagree with the adversity some have for 'conversation threading'. What I did intend to imply is that some of the frustrations I see that people have with GMail are often from a lack knowledge of this great tool.

I'm sorry if any of my comments upset you or come across to you as insincere. This is not my intention. Be well and I will be happy for everyone here if the feature they are looking for is added to gmail. Perhaps YOU may even find a feature of interest to you that you didn't know was there before if you look around - Offline webmail for example - try that with Yahoo ;)

Wykananda – wykananda, on November 04, 2009 17:01

While I certainly recommend trying other services (no shoe fits all in the internet world ), I would have to disagree with Mark on a few fronts.

I have found Yahoo service to be terrible - standard reply to any "real" problem is "This will have to be moved up to the next tier. One of our senior engineers will get back to you soon" - replace "soon" with "never". Then again, at least you get a reply sort of.

Secondly, the Gmail attachment limit is 25mb as well. And while I find the zipped exe thing annoying, it is easily worked around by renaming the extension on the zip to zi_ .

Thirdly, GMail is loaded with great features and customizations absent from Yahoo Mail - turn on the Google Labs. I use tons of these and one of them, delayed send with Undo, have saved me from embarrassment more than a few times. Google Docs integration is nice too. Excellent IMAP and POP support. The ability to POP access all your other email accounts to keep them in one backed-up, easily searchable, any-computer accessible place (a life saver for me). Google Gears for locally caching allowing Offline access.... the list goes on.

Fourthly, Yahoo seems to be dying a slow death. They've been doing there best to sell themselves to someone else (Microsoft) but have been losing money and are having a hard time. Read -> Future Uncertain.

Fifthly - reliability. Gmail has been down for something like less than a grand total of 2.5 hours over 5 years!

Finally, 99% of the time I love "conversation threading". I HATE searching all over the place for older email "threads". But I realize that occasionally it is not practical and the ability to turn it off would be welcome.

Spend some time to REALLY learn gmail and its capabilities and I think you may find it difficult to enjoy the others. Sure there is room for improvement and Gmail is not "traditional" in their approach and therefore requires a bit of relearning - but for me the results of the rethink are well worth it. For the most part I like Google's awake approach to business and creativity - the business world could use more of this. At the moment, I think there still the best game in town. – wykananda, on October 29, 2009 16:44

I haven't lost any. Remember that you can always use a client like Thunderbird with gmail along with IMAP which works well. – wykananda, on October 28, 2009 19:05

Granted. Google are database masters; they really should be able to "sort" this out! ;) – wykananda, on October 27, 2009 16:20

Yup, that's one way. Perhaps that might be a somewhat easier solution for google to implement... Offer a togglable option on an email by email basis that would automatically prefix or append a chosen unique identifier to each related email (Date\Time | # etc).

I love threading most of the time. I hate searching around for the rest of the emails that would be part of the thread. But I can see those cases where it's not practical. Option would certainly be nice