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Plurk make Karma *optional*? ;-)
Would Plurk consider making Karma optional? If so, many more user communities would be built in Plurk.
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I guess I fail to understand why is this such an issue?
I know this will sound unpopular in this thread, but if you don't want/like karma, don't bother with it. If emoticons are a big deal, just copy and paste the URL for the image.
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i should also add that my wife sleeps for 8 hours, works for 8 hours, comes home and makes thoughtful plurks that a healthy number of people respond to, and responds to a healthy number of plurks.
for this situation, which she and her friends are perfectly happy with, her karma drops.
that's bunk in my book, and extending the "inactivity" time to 12 hours does nothing for her, because the completely normal practice of sleeping and going to work consumes 16 hours a day and exceeds what plurk deems as a "normal" level of inactivity.
i mean, if you can't go to sleep and then go to work without losing karma, what kind of users does plurk want? people who don't sleep and don't work?
give me a break.
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http://search.twitter.com/search?q=pl...
i see a very large number of people there, criticizing plurk's karma system, typically making very good points.
plurk seems to have a bizarre desire to exclude everyone except power-users.
if you have to plurk every 12 hours or else your karma drops, then what use is plurk to my friends and family? it's like the service is *trying* to exclude casual use.
what's wrong with casual use?
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Inappropriate?Follow up to Plurk's *no* response to eliminate Karma: http://getsatisfaction.com/plurk/topi...
I’m patient.
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Inappropriate?Why? Sure, karma is kind of silly and may need some work, but I like the idea of rewarding people for using the site. Don't want karma? Then don't worry about it...
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Why not optional? Why opposed to that? Just don't understand why it's *mandatory* when first sign up for Plurk. Big turn off for many folks. -
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Why is it a bad idea? How does it affect you as a Plurk user?
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Inappropriate?I think once they hit, say, Karma of 25, it becomes optional. This shows that they know how to responsibly use the site. And maybe they're hooked on both Karma and Plurk by then!
But honestly, I'd rather the guys spend more time on making a favorites tab or a better offline application, or FF add-on so we don't always have to be stuck to the site.
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Very easy thing to add. Not nearly as difficult as other *great* ideas you have... ;-)
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Inappropriate?Making karma optional seems like a good compromise to me. If it brings in x number of users, let them have it. The ones who don't like it can uncheck a clickybox and stay instead of rejecting plurk out of hand.
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Exactly! Thanx for your comment here.
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Inappropriate?Make it optional. It's annoying when you loose half of the available emotes just because you went on a vacation.1 Comment Add a comment
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If it's optional, then you shouldn't get any of the benifits for Karma... I mean, that is kinda the point for having karma.
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Inappropriate?I guess I fail to understand why is this such an issue?
I know this will sound unpopular in this thread, but if you don't want/like karma, don't bother with it. If emoticons are a big deal, just copy and paste the URL for the image.
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Yup can do that, accidentally you can calculate the time with using a stick and the sun, so why bother with a watch ;)
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The issue is: it's a barrier for many who first come to Plurk: "What is Karma? Oh, competition for posts? No thanx and then leave." Or, folks who do try then find out how *difficult* it is to keep Karma up and then abandon Plurk. I know there is CSS code to take Karma off site but most newbies or beginners have no skill (or patience) to do such a change. Besides, if we do think this is good (which @amix does esp. in recent thread comment to @nethead) then just make it easier with a "I don't want to attain Karma." Take away emoticons. Give me a special "Red A" badge: "No Karma Found Here" or something. Really don't care how you label or brand me. Just. Make. It. Easy. Thanks for listening! :-)
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I still find this difficult to understand. I have friends who have issues/doubts/reluctance signing up for yet another service. I think this is more of an issue than the karma problem.
As one of the first 100 plurk users, yes. I know the karma system isn't optimal. I hate when my karma drops, and I'm sure nobody likes that either, and I'm not a big fan of the badges, etc. but it doesn't affect the way I plurk. As with Amir, I find this not a problem.
As once the #1 plurker by karma, yes. I hated being dropped down the list, but like everyone else, once I let go of the I've got to get more karma mentality, I can tell you I think I've reached my own plurk nirvana. Maybe once people (oldies and newbies alike) start thinking the same, nobody will have issues with it. -
My wife feels bad when her karma drops. It is like the service is telling her that she's no good, just because she works 9-5 and has errands to run after work.
when she does use plurk, she is very courteous and responds to other people's things, and is fairly popular and people respond to what she's saying.
everyone is happy with this situation, and yet her karma drops anyway. it is a stupid metric that measures nothing, and creates a black cloud over an otherwise happy plurking experience.
it is like getting marked D on a test, and telling people it's just a letter. many people are sensitive to being constantly "measured" and telling them to "get over it" is insensitive. -
Inappropriate?The fact that we are tangling with a Plurk issue shows we like/love/are-addicted-to Plurk. Any company/provider would LOVE to have such passionate users and welcome their suggestions.
This is certainly a valid idea, and I think Ginger makes a good addendum to the idea. In fact there is some philosophical truth to her point about karma being optional after a certain level. It is believed (according to wikipedia) that "Actions do not create karma (good or bad) when performed by an individual in the state of Moksha or liberation." So if a person reaches nirvana, wouldn't it make sense that karma is no longer an issue? -
Inappropriate?I fully agree with this. Karma, in all honesty, was a bit of a ploy by Plurk to get users to do certain things and get 'rewarded' by it...and also users get 'punished' for not plurking a lot, or getting a lot of responses to plurks, friend requests denied, etc.
If people don't want to see Karma or get cool emoticons for it, then either don't pay attention to it or give us an option.
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Inappropriate?I started to dislike Karma when it only allowed me to customize my nickname if I were above a certain karma number, I think it was 40. I eventually didn't care so I don't know if it's still the case. :-) -
Inappropriate?likes the idea of Karma and thinks it is valid. I find it almost comical that this is an issue at all. Plurk provides you with an ability to hide it from view using CSS. Numerous sites have provided the code necessary to do this so that all the user has to do is cut and paste the code into their profile making is extremely easy to eliminate seeing it yet there continues to be discussions and complaints about it. The CSS gives you the ability to opt-out of seeing your Karma and if you don't care about it that would be the appropriate thing to do. Why make the application more complex by introducing this? I think we have all the tools necessary for the user to choose whether to see Karma or not without having to make any changes to Plurk itself.
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AZJazzyJ: It's more to do with what the karma is causing people to do in creating more 'nose' for the sake of karma so I've started to question the intentions of plurkers with every plurk I read.. did they post it because they genuinely want our contribution or merely an excuse to bring up their karma at our own expense.. fake interest and interaction to keep up buzzing in their plurks.. I even see some running out of ideas to the point where they begin to plurk about things they wouldn't share with their partners. Karma to me is a noise encouragement.
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Your comment would be perfectly valid IF functionality were not tied to Karam. You are basically saying that if you don't want to wade in ankle deep water in the house cover the hole on the pipe. It's actually not about seeing the Karma you know.
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Thanks for comment @AJJazzyJ but it's a barrier to many new folks and if it's so easily done with outside CSS coding information, why not make it so readily available @ the Plurk site? In fact, have me marked as a non-Karma person? What I don't understand is *why* so many of you actually defend it *against* a simple opt-out feature? Opt-out is *key* to the success of many sites and apps long-term.
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People will post for attention regardless of whether it increases or decreases a number. Not seeing a number will not make the "noise" go away. Posting to some adds value to their existence regardless of whether you think the message helps the discussion or not. I don't understand the whole "opt-out" concept. If that is implemented then Plurk would need to now account for 2 groups of people, those "in" and those "out". This additional logic increases complexity as the app would need to reach decision points and check to see if you are "playing the game". I would think adding this logic could cause scalability issues. Karma is not hurting anything. If it calculates and you don't like how it calculates then don't look at it. I'm not sure I understand your analogy of the water. How is Karma filling your house in water? A more appropriate analogy is buying a house that has a telephone trunk box in your front yard. You want to use the phone so you know that the box is necessary you just don't want to stare at the box out your front window. You can therefore plant a bush between you and the box. You see a bush and landscaping while the box remains for everyone to use. I am not sure how much easier we should require this to be. The code is there, it's simply a cut and paste. Why make the application be changed? Wouldn't we rather have the developers working on other aspects of the system? Coding resources are finite, they can work on this or something else. I would prefer them to spend their time on something else.
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@CivilLizard Yes. I have had that experience too: post for attention. Heck, we've all done it and it ends up polluting my stream. But some plurkrs like that... and that's okay. Just let me opt-out of the Karma chase *easily.* Let me be @ Plurk and just enjoy the convo and friendship and community. Okay?
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@AZJazzyJ I am not asking for reprogramming. I am asking for what @nethead (and many others) have done with their sites: simple graphic to remove Karma from site for those of us who *simply* do not want number there. Simple. Really. No big deal. (Why is this so difficult to understand...)
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AZJazzy - It is not about the display even if you would like to press that.
It's about: LOSING EMOTES. LOSING THE ABILITY TO CHANGE STUFF.
That's the water. HIding the fact that you have 30 karma points is one thing.
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So, I would like it to be optional, so when I cannot plurk for 4 days for I have a real life, and I come back I still can use the bloody dancing bananas. That's it. Not loosing the box.
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I think Roland has a point... ok deny the emoticons until you have initially reached that level of Karma but don't take them away if you slip behind for having a life.
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Inappropriate?@CivilLizard Yes. I have had that experience too: post for attention. Heck, we've all done it and it ends up polluting my stream. But some plurkrs like that... and that's okay. Just let me opt-out of the Karma chase *easily.* Let me be @ Plurk and just enjoy the convo and friendship and community. Okay?
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