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Calendar integration and support in Postbox
I'm pretty sure you guys are already thinking about this but I was going to suggest a calendar feature. I have downloaded Sunbird separately so I can beta test Postbox. I had Lightning in Thunderbird which was a bit lacking anyway. It would be great if a full fledged calendar feature with syncing with Google Calendar would be implemented in the final release or even in a future release beyond that.
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Good call on iCal being mac only. I wasn't thinking cross platform.
However, I think it needs to be an integration with an existing calendar software and not one that is internal to Postbox.
In fact, if post box integrated a calendar, I would likely stop using it unless it hooked into iCal (or sunbird, etc ...). Applications that handle multiple things don't appeal to me. I want my mail application to handle mail exceptionally well, and leave everything else to other applications that handle their thing exceptionally well.
Look at postbox's todo feature as an example. It sucks. It should pass it off to another application (Things, for example, on the mac). Let Things do what it does best, no reason to integrate todo's into your mail application.
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I think integration, having an addon, or having the ability to sync invites with Google Calendar would be better. That way, you can choose your own features much like Firefox and it's large addon base. You get to "choose your own bloat". I just simply did not want to read an invitation, have to open a browser window and point it to calendar.google.com and sign in and then finally add an event. And if that event date changes, I'd have to redo that entire process. It would be easier to have Postbox sync to my Google calendar after I click "accept" to meeting and appointment invitations.
But of course, I also rely on calendar reminders so this is why I prefer integration or addon to just normal syncing. It is rather easy to forget things when you have 7 classes a day, 5 days a week with hours of homework per night. A calendar is more of a lifesaver right now which is why currently, I still use Thunderbird with Lightning as my default instead of Postbox. I like some Postbox features and that's enough to get me to launch it occasionally but I still find myself going back to Thunderbird. Should Thunderbird 3 integrate the Calendar feature, I may lose interest in Postbox. It may not be the product I am looking for. But since Postbox is Thunderbird based, by using Thunderbird, I am still supporting Postbox in a roundabout way.
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This would be better as a right click action (send event to google cal) or a sidebar option (allowing recognised dates/events to be shown and sent to google cal). I dont like the idea of having a calendar built in personally when you're going to be competing with far better calendar software - I dont mean PB wont have a great calendar if it was implemented I just mean I can get that service elsewhere and that does a great job for me already. I agree with Angie - an email app should do just that (and integrating it with external services is what postbox is doing well so thats where my vote is)
Edit: (just read crux's reply which says what I say here... teach me to post without reading all replies)
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Yes, I agree that there's quite a bit else to do to enrich the current feature set and interface, instead of adding such a big other component. One compromise might be expanding the content detection to events (like Apple Mail's Data Detectors), which would show up in the sidebar with the other content, and then be passed on to another application that supports standard calendar interfaces.
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@pnkrkrgeo92: I can certainly see and understand that (though I personally never liked the invitation for meetings or whatever - even when I worked in the "corporate world"). I would just hate for Postbox to become bloated the way I think MS Outlook is. If it's an add-on feature that can be turned on / off, then I say PB should go for it.
@thatonedude: you're welcome.
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I'd also love to see calendar functionality built-in. I think it's a major bit of functionality missing for a productivity app. Still, this is a *remarkable* program even without it though.
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Inappropriate?If this idea gets implemented, I hope there's a way to turn it off. I hate seeing calendars next to my email.
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Inappropriate?I'd also love to see calendar functionality built-in. I think it's a major bit of functionality missing for a productivity app. Still, this is a *remarkable* program even without it though.
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I'd love to see a calendar functionality built in similar to imail.
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having being stuck with using Windows operating systems for work (I wish I were allowed to use an Apple) and there not being any decent productivity apps around for Windows I've found Postbox to be the best email client thus far but would love to see it interact with something like a Google Calendar and would also love to see it sync up with Contacts in Gmail.
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Inappropriate?Yeah but people send invitations through email. I need a way to accept them. I would not consider calendar a productivity feature either but rather a way to keep track of a busy life. Of course calendar could just be a addon feature like in thunderbird. Postbox is indeed thunderbird (another email app) based.
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Inappropriate?@pnkrkrgeo92: I can certainly see and understand that (though I personally never liked the invitation for meetings or whatever - even when I worked in the "corporate world"). I would just hate for Postbox to become bloated the way I think MS Outlook is. If it's an add-on feature that can be turned on / off, then I say PB should go for it.
@thatonedude: you're welcome.
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i'm fairly sure outlook isn't bloated because of the calendar... i regularly used both of the recent versions of it and the latest one got worse without any appreciable increase in functionality.
also, i currently also use thunderbird with lightning and it works like a charm - no appreciable difference between just email and email+calendar.
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In my opinion, Outlook is bloated because of more than just the calendar. It's overkill if all you want to do is check email. So my entire point is that if Postbox is supposed to be just a really good email app then adding a calendar is moving away from this. And by calendar I mean a full-fledged calendar which is what I understand others are referring to.
"maybe without knowing the details of the software architecture, one shouldn't be trying to make judgements about bloat?" So by that logic I should just not have an opinion about any of the features? Doesn't make sense. -
In my opinion, Outlook is bloated because of more than just the calendar. It's overkill if all you want to do is check email. So my entire point is that if Postbox is supposed to be just a really good email app then adding a calendar is moving away from this. And by calendar I mean a full-fledged calendar which is what I understand others are referring to.
"maybe without knowing the details of the software architecture, one shouldn't be trying to make judgements about bloat?" So by that logic I should just not have an opinion about any of the features? Doesn't make sense. -
" "maybe without knowing the details of the software architecture, one shouldn't be trying to make judgements about bloat?" So by that logic I should just not have an opinion about any of the features? Doesn't make sense."
whatever. it's just that about everytime there's a discussion on integrating calendaring into an email application (go look at the mozilla newsgroups), there's always someone complaining about bloat, without a) considering what integration could mean and the forms it could take, and so rejecting it outright or b) having a clear idea of what features will lead to bloat. so if you know/can prove that adding a particular feature will lead to bloat, let's have it! but just raising the bloat flag doesn't help anyone - including the PB developers - understand the problem or have a constructive discussion.
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Well then admittedly, I used the wrong word if I'm understanding you correctly. If you're referring to bloat as increase in size of the application or its code, that's one thing. Maybe what I should have said is "feature bloat". I don't know - that's semantics. My entire point is that if PB is supposed to be a really good email app and not much else then adding a full-fledged calendar isn't the way to go. That's of course if that's what PB is supposed to be (I think it is based on what I know from PB... but hey I could be wrong). For me personally, if PB turns out to be more and more like Outlook, I'd ditch it pretty quickly.
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An addon might be the way to go although outlook is bloated from way more than a calendar. But i can see the concern. Once too many things are added, performance suffers.
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Inappropriate?Yes, I agree that there's quite a bit else to do to enrich the current feature set and interface, instead of adding such a big other component. One compromise might be expanding the content detection to events (like Apple Mail's Data Detectors), which would show up in the sidebar with the other content, and then be passed on to another application that supports standard calendar interfaces.
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That is a great idea, actually. At least for the future / interim.
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Great Idea! It should be very useful to have in the sidebar a list of dates/events from which I can select events to add to iCal
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Inappropriate?This would be better as a right click action (send event to google cal) or a sidebar option (allowing recognised dates/events to be shown and sent to google cal). I dont like the idea of having a calendar built in personally when you're going to be competing with far better calendar software - I dont mean PB wont have a great calendar if it was implemented I just mean I can get that service elsewhere and that does a great job for me already. I agree with Angie - an email app should do just that (and integrating it with external services is what postbox is doing well so thats where my vote is)
Edit: (just read crux's reply which says what I say here... teach me to post without reading all replies)
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"far better calendar software" - i hope you're not referring to iCal. or Sunbird.
google et al. integration would be nice - but having to open up a separate browser window just to confirm or deny an invite would suck. since as far as i am concerned, acting on an invite is a single step action, when integrating google, the best thing to do would be to figure out how to parse invites and just do whatever web-communication is required to confirm/deny, etc silently, without new windows and so on. i.e., when i click 'confirm', just confirm it with google without taking me to the calendar
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"i also suspect that a lot of us who would like calender functionality are really just asking for simple, painless, invitation actions." If that's the case, then asking for a "calendar" may not be the best route. Instead, why not ask for a "simple, painless way to handle invitations"?
As for the Google integration ideas you have, "maybe without knowing the details of the software architecture", one shouldn't be trying to make suggestions about how to integrate it? ;) -
oh, because people rarely know their minds as much as they like to think they do :)
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Inappropriate?The point is it doesnt matter what cal software I use, if it uses a standard API (via web service, caldav, syncml whatever) PB can talk to it without me leaving PB. Integration with Google cal via its API is straight forward, but I dont think I should be limited to using Google/sunbird/ical/lightning. Thats the point of open standards.
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Inappropriate?I think integration, having an addon, or having the ability to sync invites with Google Calendar would be better. That way, you can choose your own features much like Firefox and it's large addon base. You get to "choose your own bloat". I just simply did not want to read an invitation, have to open a browser window and point it to calendar.google.com and sign in and then finally add an event. And if that event date changes, I'd have to redo that entire process. It would be easier to have Postbox sync to my Google calendar after I click "accept" to meeting and appointment invitations.
But of course, I also rely on calendar reminders so this is why I prefer integration or addon to just normal syncing. It is rather easy to forget things when you have 7 classes a day, 5 days a week with hours of homework per night. A calendar is more of a lifesaver right now which is why currently, I still use Thunderbird with Lightning as my default instead of Postbox. I like some Postbox features and that's enough to get me to launch it occasionally but I still find myself going back to Thunderbird. Should Thunderbird 3 integrate the Calendar feature, I may lose interest in Postbox. It may not be the product I am looking for. But since Postbox is Thunderbird based, by using Thunderbird, I am still supporting Postbox in a roundabout way.
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Inappropriate?Ditto pnkrkrgeo92's thoughts. The only thing I really miss about Thunderbird 3 was its Lightning add-on... being able to accept calendar invites and pop over to view my calendar was hugely helpful to my workflow.1 Comment Add a comment
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The Thunderbird Project is planning to add code from the Lightning addon in order to fully integrate a calendar into the application rather than having an addon.
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Inappropriate?In my mind "Just an Email program" does not exist anymore, calendering is something that I use with my email, same with todo lists and socializing. I like to have all my communication tools in one easy to use integrated application. Facebook, Twitter, Calendar Sync, Email, and maybe even IM/IRC all though I am happy with separate IM/IRC.
Please integrate calendar (with optional turn off for those who don't want it).
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That's true because email and calendar go hand in hand nowadays, even in school as well as the workplace. Seeing a calendar helps me keep organized. Anything that is "just an email program" doesn't get much attention. Most webmail services have calendars. Applications like Thunderbird, Zimbra, and Outlook have calendars. I like Postbox's interface and would like to see a calendar for it. Postbox has already gone beyond "just an email app" or it would not have Facebook integration.
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There's quite a few things wrong with iCal. First of all, it's a Mac product. Windows and Linux users are out of luck. Second of all, I don't want to launch a separate application just to manage a calendar, especially when I'm used to clicking "accept" in an email invite in order to automatically add it to my Google Calendar. If I wanted just calendar management, I would have used Windows Calendar or Sunbird. But I want calendar management that allows you to create and accept email meeting and appointment invites that works for all OSes, not just Mac or not just Windows. iCal does not fit that category.
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"There's quite a few things wrong with iCal. First of all, it's a Mac product. Windows and Linux users are out of luck."
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Inappropriate?Good call on iCal being mac only. I wasn't thinking cross platform.
However, I think it needs to be an integration with an existing calendar software and not one that is internal to Postbox.
In fact, if post box integrated a calendar, I would likely stop using it unless it hooked into iCal (or sunbird, etc ...). Applications that handle multiple things don't appeal to me. I want my mail application to handle mail exceptionally well, and leave everything else to other applications that handle their thing exceptionally well.
Look at postbox's todo feature as an example. It sucks. It should pass it off to another application (Things, for example, on the mac). Let Things do what it does best, no reason to integrate todo's into your mail application.
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This is why I say make it a choice not force it on the user, so if you want to use the calendar part you can, otherwise use another application. Very simple. If you just want an Email program you are out of luck, even Mail on mac does rss :P so there are going to be some things integrated into the program that people don't want to use, the answer is simple just don't use it :P.
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Yes, even Mail.app "does" RSS but it fails horribly at it (same with the Notes feature in it). That's the problem that arises when things start to get "tacked on". That said, I've used Mail for a very long time and even though it can "do" RSS and Notes/To Dos, they can be "turned off". So, while the answer may seem simple (i.e., don't use it), if it's in my face I won't use the app at all. So it needs to be something that can be turned off by the user.
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If you truly want your mail application to handle your mail well then you can't use Postbox because it stores email in monolithic files that bloat up time machine back-ups hugely.
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It, um, stores mail in plain text files ... not unlike every other major email client out there. One huge file per folder isn't all that uncommon in email land.
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@mikenolte: Seems to me more like a design problem of Time Machine than a problem with Postbox. Many other apps create potentially large files that change on a regular basis, and it isn't realistic to expect developers to always split them into small separate files just because of a poor design choice made by Apple.
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@mikenolte - there are two options - one file per mail folder or one file per mail... the last one also has its drawbacks....
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> The real issue is that Postbox stores a copy of all mails (even if IMAP is used) on the local disk... which is not what IMAP was made for!
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@jeff - it is fine to download and index them, but then the space should be freed up again! No need to store the full message, just the index should be stored.
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@Mike: That's an interesting idea. I wonder if it's feasible.
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Inappropriate?Clearly this idea is causing much unrest and debate. Unfortunately, I am beginning to lose interest in the Postbox beta. I'm running into a time where remembering dates is important and it is easier just to open up thunderbird with lightning and another addon to sync google calendars. So go ahead, take my idea and run or strike it down. Also, right now, I'm testing Windows 7 and my beta testing priorities are there. Good discussion but I'm pulling out.
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Beta Test Windows 7 is pointless. it has hundreds of thousands of people doing that. Postbox has significantly less, and needs the attention.
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@pnkrkrgeo92: Funny that you say you're beginning to lose interest in the Postbox beta. I am too. I'm not entirely sure why because I really want to like Postbox (calendar or not) but something is holding me back from fully embracing it. I just can't put my finger on it.
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seriously guys, if you can't put your finger on it, there is no reason to keep posting about it. that isn't helping at all.
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Yeah because that comment you made is so helpful. Relax man. It's just a comment on a comment. Sheesh.
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Inappropriate?Postbox has done something other programs have done before. Beta testing windows 7 is not pointless. An operating system is more important than another email app and i have not seen anything that compells me to switch from thunderbird to postbox. I do not think postbox is my type of email app. But i do think windows 7 is my OS. So I'll let the rest of you test in peace.
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Inappropriate?I'll throw in another manual vote against this idea, since Satisfaction doesn't allow me to do another other than vote for it in an automated way.
Please, please, please keep Postbox focused solely on email. It's a big enough problem without trying to add calendaring into the mix. It should be telling that calendars are kept separate from both Apple and Google's respective email offerings. Light integration is fine (ie, find potential calendar events and hand them off to a calendaring app), but anything more than that gets hairy.
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Apple yes. Google, not so much. Google calendar is quite integrated into gmail, especially when creating meeting invites or receiving them. Just my opinion though. I think it's integrated. Those of you not using google calendar may beg to differ. But yeah, seeing Postbox is not going to fit my needs, i will wait for Thunderbird 3 betas. But many seem to be ignoring the fact that Postbox is-not-just an email app. It integrates facebook so it's an email and social networking app. If people can ignore the social networking features why can't they ignore a calendar? Doesn't it bother you that Postbox is already a multifunction program?
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First: I Google Calendar and Mail are completely separate applications. They are integrated well, but they are separate. I advocate good integration with iCal and Sunbird. I use google Calendar with my Fiancee and sync that to my iCal. Its seamless, and neither of us use gmail (I also use gtalk).
Second: It does bother me that social networking is integrated into Postbox. I posted a couple of threads begging them to make the integration not suck (and it sucks pretty hard right now). The social networking integration is a good example of half-baked ideas thrown in to increase the feature set.
RSS Improvements
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The integration i wanted is like gmail and google cal. That is exactly what people are misunderstanding. I also wanted to clear up that Postbox is not just an email app.
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Inappropriate?The only thing I would use a calendar for in an email program is reminding me to act on an email by a certain date. I always liked being able to flag emails in outlook and set a due date.
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This would be very useful, indeed. It's the only feature I miss from Outlook -- and it seems like it'd fit well with the todo list Postbox already has.
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Have a look at ReminderFox and it's feature to add reminders to messages, received and also those you are sending. And you can call the reminder from the message folder and vice versa. ReminderFox could be added as an extension to PB .. just need the "add-on manager" ... or some hack ;-)
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Inappropriate?I understand everyone's point about it becoming bloated, but I will need to at least be able to use Lightning to switch to Postbox full time. In the meantime, I guess I'll just run Sunbird.
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Inappropriate?I receive event/meeting invitations from work very often and can't accept/decline them at all in Postbox. (Everyone at the office uses Outlook, but I work from home and have stopped using Outlook because it just kept getting slower.)
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Inappropriate?I'd like to see integration with Mac OS' iCal in Postbox.
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I second that! :)
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From what I can tell iCal uses apple script to interact with Mail.App. without full apple script support in Postbox, i don't think it will work real well. Though, i hope i am wrong.
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Inappropriate?I agree that some sort of calendar integration is needed. We can't convince the world to move away from Outlook's invites. If I can at least read the invites, that's a start and I'll manually put them on my calendar. But integration with Google Calendar would be fantastic. -
Inappropriate?In my opinion it's better to have an interface between an other calendar app, like iCal or Sunbird and postbox. I don't like all-in-one solutions. I prefere using the best app for the task. I think Postbox is a great mailprogram and iCal a great calendar -- but perhaps someone didn't think so.
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Inappropriate?Don't add a calendar to an email application. Just make sure Postbox can communicate with the operating system and let the user decide which calendar he wants.
I want to use iCal on Mac OS X because it can sync with multiple devices and I can access its data with a ton of other software.
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On a slightly different note, I say let the user decide which calendar he or she wants, by giving the possibility of eventually choosing to use Postbox! :)
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And if post box does it you will have another half-baked calendar for Windows, and start looking somewhere else.
What this thread tells me is there is a market for a kick ass calendar on windows. If i were a windows developer I'd be jumping all over that.
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Inappropriate?I'd like this feature too, it's already for you people on OSX but on Windows there is no great calendar program that syncs well with GCal. Plus I like all in one solution as it saves me opening a new program each time.
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Why? i don't understand why people have such an objection to having multiple windows and multiple programs open.
1 program that does 1 thing really well is better than 1 program that does 2 things "ok". Look at how much time and effort is going into JUST the email client side of things, and look at how awful facebook, rss, and twitter are in postbox.
Everyone that is yelling to include a calendar application is asking them to create an awful calendar interface to put next to their awful rss interface. They aren't microsoft, they only have a couple developers and they STILL have A LOT of work to do on just the email portion of things. If they add a calendar application before they fix all their other problems I can guarantee you that i'll not be seen on the forums again. It would be stupid and they'd basically be saying "We're happy with mediocre software"... I don't use mediocre software, i pick the best application for the task at hand. I love where postbox is going, but I can go back to mail.app pretty easy if i have too.
As it is, if i was a developer (and i am ;-) ), and i released a 1.0 of postbox with its current RSS/Facebook/Twitter awfulness i would be completely embarrassed. And not there other thread is talking about it being "non free" which is fine ... but, if it does cost money it has to be EXCEPTIONALLY polished before it launches. Its no where even close to that with its current feature set. -
Inappropriate?> Why? i don't understand why people have such an objection to having multiple windows and multiple programs open.
"All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."
People start off with separate apps, each with a unique purpose. Pretty soon, they start to say, "It's such a hassle having all these different apps. Wouldn't it be more convenient to have all this functionality in a single app?" If and when they get such an all-in-one app, they eventually say, "Gee, this all-in-one app is bloated and slow and confusing. Wouldn't it be better to have separate apps, each with a specialized purpose? And the pendulum swings back the other way.
People are never satisfied.
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Inappropriate?@mbond I hate having lots of programs running at once as my computer isn't the fastest computer as it is, so it speedier having more integrated apps.
Plus there isn't a decent calendar program for Windows, I understand if you are on OSX, Apple have a pretty neat one built in. But in Windows there are programs but none are that decent.
Also having all my programs close together saves a lot of time, opening up a new program for each task.
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I am on MacOS X, but that doesn't change my thinking. I did the same thing on every OS i've used in the past.
Again, what i hearing you saying is "there are no good Calendar Applications on Windows. Please integrate GOOD calendar software into postbox so we have a decent calendar app on windows"
what you are actually saying is "Please integrate a crappy calendar into Postbox so that i can continue to be dissatisfied with my calendar options on windows"
To create a decent calendar you need a team of developers that are working on JUST calendar software. Not a team of developers that are working on a mail client that happen to be hacking on calender software in theirfree time (instead of continuing to improve the mail software).
As for having a slow computer, stop buying $400 computers from walmart and drop a couple grand on a decent machine that will run windows well, with decent ram/hdd/video card that will last you 4 or 5 years before it starts showing its age.
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Inappropriate?I should be quite feasible to hook Postbox up with the Google Calendar Notifier such that clicking on an invitation actually adds the appointment to the Google Calendar in the cloud.
Once the appointment is safely in the cloud, all desktop-calendar-app-lovers can access it using a myriad of google integrations with popular desktop calendar apps.
(BTW - I like the innovative features of this forum app :-)
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Absolutely. Postbox should integrate in some way with the other calendar options.
I would even be happy with that as a short term solution on MacOS X ... Proper integration with iCal on MacOS isn't going to be the easiest thing and will be difficult to support since Mail.app is hard coded into ical's apple scripts. Throwing everything into google calendars as an 'official -- this is what we can do right now' solution would be a good way to handle it in the short term. It also holds to the 'social' aspect that postbox kinda has going.
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Inappropriate?@mbond, bitching at someone who's merely submitting feedback ("hey, a calendar function would be nice") in an area designed to accept said feedback is, I imagine, the complete opposite theme that Postbox was going for by opening up an account on GetSatisfaction.
People use communications tools like Postbox differently... some of them need an integrated calendar (honestly, not that big of a deal) in order to effectively manage emails that require either a follow-up response or a follow-up meeting. Cope.
Just as an FYI, apologizing for being cranky and then continuing to do so (in this case, leaving your response "as-is") defeats the purpose of apologizing. My mother taught me that when I was six.
I’m concerned about the judgemental attitudes of fellow users
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I never apologized.
A lot of people are requesting a calendar app. All i am doing is stating WHY its a bad idea.
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@mbond, I apologize, I thought you apologized... for stepping beyond "stating why it is a bad idea" (most definitely the entire point of this community, kudos for recognizing that) and criticizing the man's shopping choices. (i.e., choice of PC.)
Separately, I agree with you that Postbox has, up to this point, strictly identified the product as a (relatively-featureless) email client. We're simply stating that appointment-type functionality should either be built-in or at least tie in, as mrT mentioned, to a set of popular calendar clients. Either Google Calendar or other.
Either way, development time will be spent away from Postbox' primary functionality - a concept to which you seem to be opposed.
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I've never argued against adding hooks to tie into other applications. In fact, if you search through get satisfaction on this (and other topics), you'll see that I've argued for that approach for both Calendars, Address Books, and todo list/tasks. Provide a means of communicating with products that do their particular tasks well.
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@mbond You keep contradicting yourself. It makes no sense. I was merely suggesting a feature that I wished to see in this product which is standard in most email clients and I don't see the point in buying myself a new computer when I am a skint student!
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if you think i'm contradicting myself you aren't reading my posts very carefully.
If you want the bloat that is standard in other email clients, why are you looking for a new email client?
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Well I haven't found an email client that I liked enough to stick with, till Postbox. But as an email client you still expect it to do standard features, but I know as you said, there are only a few developers working on this project so I am not expecting anything soon.
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Inappropriate?all the postbox team really needs to do is find a way to make the lightning plugin that works in thunderbird work in postbox. that way it isn't integrated for those that don't want a calendar, and for those that do it's a simple add-on to install and be on your way. additionally, this can allow mozilla developers to enhance and fix the add-on, rather than the postbox developers.
i for one would much rather have a calendar integrated with my email client rather than using sunbird on the side.
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They've already talked about extending postbox. That may very well be their answer to integrating with a calendar application in the future. If so, that would also be a good solution. let someone else do it :)
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the only thing holding me back from using postbox is the lack of calendar support, postbox is truly brilliant and I would love to use it but I need calendar support first!
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Inappropriate?Just out of curiosity, whats wrong with the calendar that is included with windows? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Calendar
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It's a bit lame, no way near as good as Apple's iCal. Plus it doesn't have full support for Google Calendar. They are also ending it after Vista, to cut down on bloat for Windows 7.
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Inappropriate?I think that would bloat the app, this should be a mail client not a GTD app... Not a feature I would use...
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Inappropriate?Please do not add a calendar in Postbox. I use iCal because it allows to synchronize events with a wide range of devices. I would have in the sidebar a list of dates/events from which I can select events to add to iCal.
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Inappropriate?To the discussion about an 'integrated' Calendar 'yes / no' here some remarks:
1. Lightning (Calendar for Thunderbird) will be an extension, so it will/should be possible for those people like to a mail w. calendar to add it. I expect Postbox will have an add-on mgr later, so they can add it here also.
2. Another alternative to support reminders/todos and inviations beside the mail app is Reminderfox. An extension for the Mozilla family of application. Also this requires the add-on mgr I have an installation, and yes it works!
3. Follow-up for mail/messages. To add reminders for messages you send and you have to track ... a kind of a follow-up-system .. go for Reminderfox!
http://reminderfox.mozdev.org/
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Inappropriate?At least having reminders for the "todo" checks would rock. Is there any way to gather all the TODO items from all accounts or even just from all subfolders into one view?
I’m undecided
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Postbox has a Todo feature, but also Reminderfox does. And Todos with Reminderfox are separated in an extra ICS data set. Such a Todo can also have been generated from message stored anywhere in the PB folder stack. And Reminderfox can find & open it also if you move the message to some other place in your PB folders. -
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Inappropriate?Don't build an Calendar into the tool - make Postbox the best MAIL client and not a "I-can-do-everything" application... iCal is great, so why bother?
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I'd agree that in order to build a calender in the Postbox you would have to make it an exceptionally good one so as not to drag down the general user appreciation of the app.
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Meetings are often scheduled through email, so having your email client support calendar invitations as well as the ability to review your schedule when replying is a huge benefit. I love Postbox but wont be able to divorce Outlook until I can manage my appointments.
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Inappropriate?Did you ever received an invitation via email?
Only for business purpose?
Go and book a flight with Lufthansa online, go will receive the flight data via email as ICS/iCal data.
Now, if you are on MAC you may get that into the OSX iCal calendar (... not sure about that !??) ... but if not1? How to read that.
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Inappropriate?On Windows an any other operating system the operating systems default set calendar that handles ics files will open up.... and a dedicated calendar app will always be better than those "integrated-I'll-do-everything-a-bit" apps... that was also the reason why Mozilla split their app into Firefox, Thunderbird and Seamonkey... it is easier to maintain if there are dedicated apps that do one job perfect instead of multiple jobs "so-so".
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OK, agree!
For that for the MOZ family of applications like Postbox/Thunderbird you have the "choice" to add a calendar 'app' ... like Lightning or ReminderFox.
And also Sunbird. And Reminderfox can be loaded as extension to Firefox also -- having calendar data accessible from FX.
Two points:
1. you should have the ability to "add" ICS/ICal data you receive by email to your calendar -- not sure if the Window/Op system feature you mentioned will work in any case.
2. I basically agree NOT to add the calendar features directly "into" the mail client, the way Lightning is doing. That deep connection isn't necessary and as seen many (most??) users don't want it. Technically wise I see all required features a calendar require for sending/receiving etc events can be done with easy communication between email and calendar. -
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Inappropriate?We need an Outlook killer... Cal, Tasks, Exchange sync... just go for it! Entourage and Outlook blow!
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Inappropriate?I have outlook (ms office 07) and don't even use it as calendar :D
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Inappropriate?i hate to even admit it, but Outlook and Exchange rule the roost ... looking forward to a real alternative
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Inappropriate?For those of us with jobs and an exchange server at the office we need a real alternative to Entourage and Outlook. Maybe those of you who do not want Cal integration don't interact with groups of people and an exchange server. But until Postbox or similar comes up with a task/cal management feature that can talk to exchange then those said email programs will just be a quick way to check mail but not a full time email program that we can put all eggs into. Outlook is the big reason that most business people need to stay on the PC. MSFT dummies down Entourage on purpose. A real PIM! Now if it makes everyone happy.. the programs don't actually need to be merged together, take sunbird - add exchange support and that will do just fine. As long as we can accept and send appointments directly from Postbox or Sunbird seamlessly. Maybe Postbox can work with iCal?
We shall see.. 10.6 offers native Exchange Support... so that may just solve everything - unless someone comes up with a better solution.
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Like you said, native exchange support is coming this summer in 10.6 ... until they you are stuck with entourage.
That native exchange support isn't going to add a calendar to Mail.app though. Its going to use iCal. Apple "gets it" ... 1 monolithic app (to steal someone elses word ;-)) is a bad thing. There is a reason people are looking for alternatives to the monolithic all-in-one outlook. it sucks, it sacrifices doing 1 thing well so it can do all the groupware things.
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Inappropriate?I think it would be nice, if the calendar event could be connected to email. My idea is, if I get or write an e-mail, I could assign a to-do list ,reminders or events to it. So then I simpli get a reminder,when this message need to be answered or I need something to do with it.
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Are you speaking about the OSC iCal or a general calendar client?
As posted before there is Reminderfox exactly doing what you are looking for:
The "Send++" feature sets an reminder for a message you are going to send. This reminder holds some basic details about the msg at default And you can set additional notes and alarms etc. So you your followup for. And if the receipient answers you have the change to get dirct connection to your reminder, so you can open the reminder using a direct link.
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http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/remin...
If any further questions/feedback about that you can also use the Reminderfox list:
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Inappropriate?@mbond. Yea, we are on the same page. Outlook is a great program...but has its faults, mostly its from Redmond. I have tested 10.6 and I know the plan for exchange support and i'm not totally happy about it...altho its a step in the right direction. But if Postbox is unable ot handle the calendar transactions and mail will..then i'm stuck with mail. So i hope the Postbox gurus (and they seem like smart guys) are aware that its an exchange world for the most part and we need support.
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Inappropriate?I'm now trying Rainlendar ( http://www.rainlendar.net ) for my calendar and Postbox for email. Rainlendar syncs with Google Calendar and can read Outlook events along with ton of other features They look like perfect complements.
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Inappropriate?I'm shamefully realizing that no employee has commented yet in this topic. Please know that Calendaring is something that we're thinking about, and that all of your comments and votes are indeed being heard!
Please keep the great feedback rolling in.
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Inappropriate?Another idea is to integrate postbox with calendar and tasks in outlook 2007.
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I wouldn't find this to be appealing at all. Why be forced to deal with 2 separate applications. It would be much better for the calendar and tasks to be available in Postbox with the ability to permanently turn them off in the display for those who don't want them.
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I wouldn't find this to be appealing at all. Why be forced to deal with 2 separate applications? It would be much better for the calendar and tasks to be available in Postbox with the ability to permanently turn them off in the display for those who don't want them.
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Inappropriate?Why? Because there are already perfect working, dedicated calendar apps available, i.e. iCal, and creating one from scratch would force the developers of Postbox to not being able to focus on the Mail part of the application... why re-inventing the wheel? Or in this case iCal, with great syncing and support for mobile devices etc. etc.
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Inappropriate?The bottom line is that the Postbox guys seem to get it. We need an alternative to Outlook or Mail, iCal, Address book (iCal and Address book are good programs - but need better and or exchange support) (address book will not sync custom field names with exchange). If Postbox is going to make it on 10.6 desktops that use exchange, it needs to support exchange. From what I have read, Apple has taken a 80% approach to exchange support like they did with the iPhone. Mail, Cal, and Contacts support... leaving out tasks and notes and showing us that they are out of touch and not really listening (body blow..body blow). This is where Postbox can step in and hit the field hard. They can support Cal, Mail, Tasks, Notes, and Contacts. Its a big task and they could use different programs or build it all into one, i would not care either way. Maybe figure out a way to use iCal and Address book with a plugin? But I can promise you that Apple will not come out with a complete solution leaving most of us who use exchange without a complete solution on OSX. I presume if your reading this you have already deleted Entourage.
I would pay for that...50$
Number 1, make it so.
BTW - beta10 is working MUCH better with IMAP and Exchange, super happy!!
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Any solution that isn't put out by microsoft will be crippled when it comes to full on exchange support.
Apple is at least working with microsoft, so everything that they are doing should be fully supported, even if it isn't as feature rich as Outlook.
I've not used either (outlook or exchange) before so, i don't know what will or willnot be missing in 10.6. My guess is that you will see Entourage disappear from the next version of MS Office for MacOS X since apple will be supporting it with their clients.
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Inappropriate?I would like to see integration with other calendar apps, including iCal Server (caldav), iCal, google calendar, exchange, etc... perhaps via plug-ins and not something built-in to postbox. Additionally, Apple's mail program has a very neat feature that automatically identifies dates and times in messages and allows the user to select a drop down box to "add to calendar" when the mouse is positioned above said dates. That kind of functionality is exactly what is needed.
I’m excited
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Inappropriate?Please don't. Make this the best email client there is (you seem to be well on track) and keep your resources focused on this task – but please refrain from turning it into typical bloatware which does a bit of everything but nothing well.
I would not object though being able to transfer/share information between the email client and a calendar app as painlessly as possible (i.e. make a date a calendar event, add an .ics attachment to calendar, link a calendar event to a mail message, ...). But good integration != integrating a calendar.
I’m concerned
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Inappropriate?Hi Sacha,
I'm sure you know the MOZ technology that way you can have very different features using extensions. Extensions have the beauty to expand and/or modify the base app like Postbox (or Thunderbird) but don't look the app dev resources.
So an extension like ReminderFox would do (most of) the job for a e-mail client / calendar combination you are asking for. You can test those features today with Thunderbird/ReminderFox installation. And I would appreciate getting comments or further requirements for "your" integration thoughts.
Günter
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I agree, this looks well like it could be a case for extensions.
Concerning integration:
* I would e.g. like to have postbox register a custom URL scheme with the system and provide URLs for each message like 'postbox://somepath/message-uid' so any message could be linked from/attached to anywhere else.
* It should be possible to react to calendar invites, i.e. at least decline, and accept (which should add the event to an existing calendar). The integration between GMail and GCal might serve as a first blueprint here.
* Data detectors (already mentioned above) are nice. They are even nicer if a) they are localised well and b) I can optionally chose to turn them off.
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- a custom URL scheme : I think the Thunderbird guys have been asked for that also and AFAIR they are working on that ... at least they are thinking about it. And I would accept the PBox guys will go for it also.
- to react to calendar invites : ReminderFox does it! You can send invitations, react (Accept, Decline) .. and you don't need GMail or GCal. Everything is added to your ReminderFox events.
- Data detectors : a good idea .. maybe we should add it to the ReminderFox wanted features list
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Inappropriate?IMHO, integrating into iCal would be the best solution on the Mac as so many other things hook into it as well (like Things, syncing to (i)Phones etc). You don't have to worry about e.g. backups, profiles - all handled by the OS.
Oh, the same applies for To Dos as well which I thought is done quite nicely in the native Mail app. I do prefer the Mozilla apps though.
I’m hopeful
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Inappropriate?I'm not big on having my calendar as part of my email client, but one of the nice things gmail does is when an address is in an email it allows you to map it. It would be nice if you had a date then you could click on it and bring up your default calendar program to add in the appointment.
I’m sleepy
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Inappropriate?As much as I love PostBox it looks like some of us will be stuck with Mail.app is it is going to support exchange come 10.6. If I did not collaborate with an organization that uses exchange, then PostBox is the clear email client. But until it can display and handle exchange data... its just for personal use and or business that does not use a PIM handler like Exchange
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Inappropriate?With the new release of Postbox #13 you can work with AddOns.
ReminderFox is available for Postbox. Also in BETA status, make a try!
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Inappropriate?Gunter -- Reminderfox is not what we need... That's more of a straight reminder thing for birthday's, etc. Integration with iCal (or google calendar I guess) would be ideal so that you can quickly view calendar, accept invites, etc.
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Hmm,
I don't see why ReminderFox can't do it?!
Add a birthday like "Mom's <1970>" and it will show "Mom's 39th"
Receive an invitation (iCal/ICS) and D&D that to the Reminders. Accept or decline.
Or send a reminder as an invitation as organizer. Get the replies to your reminders.
Sync with Google, OK.
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Inappropriate?Still needs to work with iCal on MacOS X ... iCal is what syncs with MobileMe, iPhone, and just about everything else on Mac. I understand there is no solution on windows that works as well as iCal on the mac, but on mac that is the standard/norm.
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Inappropriate?The Lightning Addon should be compatible with PostBox so that way people have a choice on whether or not they want the calendar integration or not.
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Inappropriate?Ok with you about iCal on MAC vs not having such a cal on WIN.
So for the non-MAC user there are some vital questions around calendar, sync etc.
Lightning is improving, the version 1.0 seems to be ready. But a lot questions are open here. The first is sync -- TB/AB and/or TB/LG (ICS data) with mobile devices.
Lot effort, but little result, possibilities.
I personally don't like the way via Google and lot of business related people /Installation will stay back from such a solution. Not speaking about missing features, like todo's or recurring events.
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Inappropriate?There are LOTS of stand-alone iCal calendars on Windows, from open source ones like Sunbird and monocalendar to awesome freeware like Rainlendar to the apparently ill-fated "Windows Calendar" included in Vista...
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Inappropriate?If there were a calendar that could sync with google calender as well as gmail contacts syncing up -- i would for sure make this my primary client. Having these features be able to turn off and on is a must of course.
I love the look and the functionality of Postbox other than that though,, I would love to be able to use it daily , and the conversations layout is impressive.
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Inappropriate?Well i don't know about other people, but i use gmail as my personal email provider.
The big advantage of gmail is that you can also use it in combination with desktop applications such as postbox AND have a backup of your email safely available online.
For that reason alone i would love to have my google calender and my google contacts available in Postbox as well, everything in one application, just like the gmail website.
For google contact synchronization i currently use Thunberbird + Zindus extension.
For calendar synchronization i use Thunderbird + lightning + Provider for Google Calendar extension.
I know the zindus extension for google contact synchronization is now also available for Postbox, but from a gmail point of view, calendar synchronization would make the whole picture complete.
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Inappropriate?Hi everyone,
We have some beta 14 test builds that include support for an experimental Lightning for Postbox add-on if you would like to help us test it out:
http://getsatisfaction.com/postbox/to...
We need help testing before we push out a final beta 14 release.
Thanks!
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I loaded the 14 and Lightning, and, well, it is a good start. (I don't mean to be disparaging - you guys have been improving postbox with, um lightning speed and it is appreciated). As far as I can tell, there is not any of the interoperability that Reminder has. Also - the calendar, while obviously on the same platform as Sunbird, which I use now, is missing important calendar subscription options.
So, while it is working, it is not yet to a point where it offers me any advantages that would compel its use. (Or, I could just not have figured out how to use them- I am certainly not beyond that)
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ok sorry didn't follow all the instructions. Got it loaded with my three google calendars and looks good so far. I haven't gotten an invitation yet to see if that aspect is working but I'm very encouraged. I will really be able to use Postbox full time.
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Inappropriate?If the inbox and a open message tab are open, the toolbar don't jump, it seems that the calendar toolbar are smaller then the default icon menu. This causes the 'jump'. There is no option the choose the default toolbar icons in Lightning.
After ticking and un-ticking 'use small icons' in the toolbar it doesn't 'jump' anymore.
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Inappropriate?I use the large toolbar, but in Lightning you cannot change the size of the toolbar.
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Inappropriate?I can't believe that so many people use the calendar in a email client.
I use outlook as calendar en sync it with google calendar.
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and what is outlook? no email client? don't understand what you're trying to say. i think the most people like to use their email client as PIM. and thus dates and todo's and so on are definitely a must have. btw: as far as i know there's no real alternative to outlook when it comes to PIM. so let's hope postbox will make it happen. :)
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Can you tell me why it intermittently allows me to change the properties/delete an event? I am using sync with google calendar private. Basically if i right click on an event my only options are to create a new one. Sometimes it brings up the 3 dots at the bottom of the box which i can then change the time/day by dragging or right-click delete.
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Can you tell me why it intermittently allows me to change the properties/delete an event? I am using sync with google calendar private. Basically if i right click on an event my only options are to create a new one. Sometimes it brings up the 3 dots at the bottom of the box which i can then change the time/day by dragging or right-click delete.
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I'm having the same problem I had with an old version of Lightning for Thunderbird: past events repeatedly trigger a Reminders popup, and clicking Dismiss All won't close this dialog.
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I also had the same issue that Daniel did. Once I made it through all of the Reminders (a painful procedure), I clicked the option to suppress reminders. This isn't ideal but I have reminders set via my smartphone for the same events. I'm also using Google Calendar Synchronization. Am using a PC running Windows XP.
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I also had the same issue that Daniel did. Once I made it through all of the Reminders (a painful procedure), I clicked the option to suppress reminders. This isn't ideal but I have reminders set via my smartphone for the same events. I'm also using Google Calendar Synchronization. Am using a PC running Windows XP.
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"Dismiss" works now with Google Calendar Provider 0.5.5 (just updated)
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"Dismiss" works now with Google Calendar Provider 0.5.5 (just updated)
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Inappropriate?almost there ,, now if only i had gContactSync plugin instead of Zindius to sync my google contacts i would be all set1 Comment Add a comment
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what does that add-on do that Zindus doesn't do? I'm not familiar with gContactSync.
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Inappropriate?Hi,
I think this would be a useful idea. BUT it needs to integrate someway with whatever calendar you are currently using be that iCal on Mac or whatever on PC.
I currently use iCal on my Mac which syncs via mobile me to my iPhone and use BusySync to create shared calendars between the Mac's here.
I tried lightening but couldn't see a way to get it to ready my current calendar and my goal is to create a shared calendar environment for my PCs/Macs and iPhones.
Shared calendars is the one thing I feel is missing from the tools I would like integration into Postbox would be cool.
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This would be done (as I do with iCal) via syncing your Calendar app to Google Calendar. Lightning syncs everything to Google. This will sync iCal to Google:
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This can be done (as I do with iCal) by syncing your Calendar app to Google Calendar. Lightning syncs everything to Google. This will sync iCal to Google:
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Inappropriate?Now that Lightning has a "release manager" of sorts, you should work with him to bring updated Lightning to Postbox.
I’m excited
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