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I would hate if if I used it for some time, got used to it, helped it as a beta tester, and then learned that I have to pay to keep using it...

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Sherman (Official Rep) July 28, 2009 14:56

Hello everyone,

Today we released Postbox Beta 14 and announced product and pricing options for a fully featured, advertisement-free, premium version of Postbox. You can find the details of the announcement on our blog at http://postbox-inc.com/?/blog/entry/p...

We know that many of you may be disappointed (maybe even a little angry, mad, sad) that we didn't lead with a free version. Please know that an awful lot of consideration went into our roadmap, and although factors such as the economy have certainly influenced our thinking, our most important deciding factor was direct feedback from Postbox users. As we moved through the beta, it became very clear to us that the highest demand was for a full version of Postbox vs. a version with less functionality or advertisements.

So what's our plan moving forward? We're currently marching towards our 1.0 release, and there's more that we would like to do to improve usability, performance, and reliability. There's also a lot of demand for localized versions of Postbox, so we're working on getting the right frameworks in place for these efforts.

Finally, we'll continue to explore options for a free version of Postbox.

In the meantime, we do have Postbox on sale for $29. We think this is a great value, particularly for an application that many people use several hours a day. If you enjoy Postbox and believe that it improves your overall computing experience, then we hope you will consider purchasing the product.

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Jason Philo January 27, 2009 08:59

No way. This is a paid for product! I can't imagine anyone in their right mind spending time and energy on this product to make it free.

But that's just my opinion. Not that I would complain if it was... :)

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- Jakub Suder January 27, 2009 09:01
  
  Well, I read it's based on Thunderbird, and Thunderbird is free...
  
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No way. This is a paid for product! I can't imagine anyone in their right mind spending time and energy on this product to make it free. But that's just my opinion. Not that I would complain if it was… :)

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Jason Philo January 27, 2009 09:09

Like I said, it's just my opinion, and I wouldn't complain if it was free.

I hadn't read that it was based on Thunderbird, but I'm not surprised because it definitely reminded me of it. Can you find the link about it?

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Like I said, it's just my opinion, and I wouldn't complain if it was free. I hadn't read that it was based on Thunderbird, but I'm not surprised because it definitely reminded me of it. Can you find the link about it?

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Jason Philo January 27, 2009 09:15

Check this out too...

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showth...

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Check this out too… http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=94402

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EsquireMac January 27, 2009 15:26

It will be free. The founders said so at TC50. Check the video at this link. at 14:50 he says it's free: http://www.techcrunch50.com/2008/conf...

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It will be free. The founders said so at TC50. Check the video at this link. at 14:50 he says it's free: http://www.techcrunch50.com/2008/conference/presenter.php?presenter=75

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mbond January 27, 2009 16:17

Don't really care if its free or not as long as it works!

Good mail clients are hard to come by, and Apple's is so full of bugs its crazy. Plus, its cross platform, which is a huge boost when you have to switch computers for a couple days on a trip or something.

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Don't really care if its free or not as long as it works! Good mail clients are hard to come by, and Apple's is so full of bugs its crazy. Plus, its cross platform, which is a huge boost when you have to switch computers for a couple days on a trip or something.

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arvind February 07, 2009 05:22

i would totally pay for this, but probably not until v2, unless v1 is going to be fabulously good;

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i would totally pay for this, but probably not until v2, unless v1 is going to be fabulously good;

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Ryan Collins February 12, 2009 22:47

If it had better integration with google. It would be my first program that I actually paid for!

This is the best email client for windows.

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If it had better integration with google. It would be my first program that I actually paid for! This is the best email client for windows.

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Sherman (Official Rep) March 02, 2009 21:45

Thanks for the question and for everyone's thoughtful feedback. This question has also been raised in other topics, so I'll be redirecting them here.

We want to enable as many people as possible to enjoy the benefits of Postbox, while planning for ways to increase development capacity so that we can do more.

We're currently evaluating a number of different options, and while some are rather simple, others are much, much more complex and have a large number of external variables to work through and consider.

We understand that Postbox testers are anxious to learn more, so we'll be sure to post updates here and on our website as soon as we have more information to share. In the meantime, thanks very much for your patience.

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Thanks for the question and for everyone's thoughtful feedback. This question has also been raised in other topics, so I'll be redirecting them here. We want to enable as many people as possible to enjoy the benefits of Postbox, while planning for ways to increase development capacity so that we can do more. We're currently evaluating a number of different options, and while some are rather simple, others are much, much more complex and have a large number of external variables to work through and consider. We understand that Postbox testers are anxious to learn more, so we'll be sure to post updates here and on our website as soon as we have more information to share. In the meantime, thanks very much for your patience.

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Ryan Collins March 02, 2009 22:09

Thanks for the reply at long last! :)

That still leaves as none the wiser though.

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- Jakub Suder March 02, 2009 22:15
  
  Exactly. Before we knew that "It will be free. The founders said so at TC50.", and now we basically don't know anything :)
  
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Thanks for the reply at long last! :) That still leaves as none the wiser though.

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Steve M March 03, 2009 16:57

From free to wait and see. Not too good by me....

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From free to wait and see. Not too good by me....

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mbond March 03, 2009 17:01

Like i've said before, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them wanting compensation for their work. People have gotten too used to "free as in beer" (or nearly so) software.

If a piece of software is good, the developers need to be compensated for it. As long as they meet my needs (outlined in another thread(s)), and they release the pieces of the source code that they are obligated too (prior to their official launch), i have absolutely no issue with giving them my money.

They are extremely responsive, and have done a good job with most of the application so far. If they continue to do a good job and support their userbase, throw a couple bucks there way.

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- remin March 23, 2009 16:42
  
  There is nothing wrong with asking money for software. The problem is that we all do beta testing and the company will use this beta testing to make the software ready to ask money for a licence and I don't know if I will buy it. Same stuff with promoting. I'm promoting Postbox to a lot of people but if the company will ask money for it, I was promoting the balance sheet of the company.
  
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- mbond May 13, 2009 13:40
  
  Most companies will offer discounts to their beta testers for a limited time, at least that has been my experience with beta testing (and i've been in a LOT of beta programs ;-P).
  
  Problem is, by the time the software is released it isn't always useful anymore because someone else came through with something better first or it has changed so much through tester feedback that it doesn't make sense to switch from something else that is already developed.
  
  Its going to be interesting to see how Postbox handles some of the complaints before releasing a 1.0 ... I'm starting to think that 2.0 will be the release that addresses most of the bigger issues (calendar, apple script, automator, spotlight, RSS improvements, etc ...).
  
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Like i've said before, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them wanting compensation for their work. People have gotten too used to "free as in beer" (or nearly so) software. If a piece of software is good, the developers need to be compensated for it. As long as they meet my needs (outlined in another thread(s)), and they release the pieces of the source code that they are obligated too (prior to their official launch), i have absolutely no issue with giving them my money. They are extremely responsive, and have done a good job with most of the application so far. If they continue to do a good job and support their userbase, throw a couple bucks there way.

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gpzbc March 13, 2009 13:16

I think their response is quite acceptable. After all, we are beta testers.

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remin March 15, 2009 11:02

I would like to know it now.
I will not move to postbox (still use both softwares together)

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I would like to know it now. I will not move to postbox (still use both softwares together)

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knapp March 20, 2009 20:14

Yeah, I too considerd moving to postbox until I found out, that it's not sure that postbox will be free in the future. There's nothing wrong with developers wanting a reward for there work, but with Thunderbird 3 on the way and strong players in the cloud, such as GMail, there's just no reason for me to switch to a product I'd have to pay for. But I'm not a busniessman.

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- aimlink May 23, 2009 12:39
  
  This is certainly true if PostBox doesn't offer you anything special that you really like and makes your emailing easier.
  
  Right now, it does for me, though I'd sure love if the doc count was accurate. I'd prefer no doc icon counter than one that shows an erroneous count.
  
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- josin July 31, 2009 08:10
  
  You're definitely right ...
  
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Yeah, I too considerd moving to postbox until I found out, that it's not sure that postbox will be free in the future. There's nothing wrong with developers wanting a reward for there work, but with Thunderbird 3 on the way and strong players in the cloud, such as GMail, there's just no reason for me to switch to a product I'd have to pay for. But I'm not a busniessman.

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Tony Webster May 25, 2009 05:54

Postbox may be awesome, but it has some serious competition with Thunderbird 3 and Apple Mail. I still chose it, though -- the features are amazing. Postbox's team is composed of several former Mozilla developers, and it's obvious that Postbox is based on Mozilla projects. Because of Mozilla projects have open source licensing under the Mozilla Public License, any derivatives must also be licensed under the MPL. This pretty much stops any chance of Postfix charging unless they completely rewrote the application from the beginning. All of that said, Postfix has some serious potential that most would be willing to pay for.

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- remin May 25, 2009 08:49
  
  Postbox's usability is terrific. The problem is that the difference with Thunderbird is not so great and another question is "will Postbox stay ahead of TB". I don't know if I want to pay for the software. I noted the same with Eudora. The paid version was interesting but after a while other clients made Eudora obsolete and the money gone.
  
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Postbox may be awesome, but it has some serious competition with Thunderbird 3 and Apple Mail. I still chose it, though -- the features are amazing. Postbox's team is composed of several former Mozilla developers, and it's obvious that Postbox is based on Mozilla projects. Because of Mozilla projects have open source licensing under the Mozilla Public License, any derivatives must also be licensed under the MPL. This pretty much stops any chance of Postfix charging unless they completely rewrote the application from the beginning. All of that said, Postfix has some serious potential that most would be willing to pay for.

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Jakub Suder May 25, 2009 09:18

Question to the authors: has anything changed in that matter? Have you made a decision about whether Postbox will be free? I would really like to start using and testing it...

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Suleiman Leadbitter June 16, 2009 12:32

I'm using my accounts through IMAP so if they choose to charge even though I love buying cool apps I just don't think it's worth it and will move over to either Thunderbird, Apple Mail or just use Gmail online through the Gmail Notifier.

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I'm using my accounts through IMAP so if they choose to charge even though I love buying cool apps I just don't think it's worth it and will move over to either Thunderbird, Apple Mail or just use Gmail online through the Gmail Notifier.

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Sherman (Official Rep) June 16, 2009 16:13

Thanks for your patience everyone, here is some additional information on pricing:

1) We will be licensing a fully featured version of Postbox. We're currently evaluating a number of different options, and you can participate in the discussion by taking the survey that is now linked from the start page within Postbox.

How much will Postbox cost? We'll be announcing pricing once our survey completes, but our goal is to offer reasonable prices for Postbox in addition to upgrades, family packs, student discounts, and volume discounts.

2) We will continue to explore options and user demand for a free, community version of Postbox. This version would most likely be advertisement-supported, or contain a subset of functionality from the full version, or a little of each.

We would very much like to release a community version, but there is no guarantee that we will. A second version of Postbox would introduce significant development overhead, and we would need to weigh the cost/benefits of such a release relative to new features that are already in high demand (many of which have been articulated here in Get Satisfaction). But we'll keep exploring this option as we would like as many people to benefit from Postbox as possible.

Again, we encourage you to help us determine the right product and pricing mix by participating in our survey.

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- mbond June 16, 2009 16:35
  
  I figured this would be the case and I would gladly pay for Postbox if it becomes polished.
  
  http://getsatisfaction.com/postbox/to...
  
  that is still my list of things that I would consider essential for a 1.0 release that costs money. I've added comments below that the original post that i feel are essential as well.
  
  I haven't been using/testing postbox because of some of the short comings on that list (most notably the lack of apple script support that my current projects require me to have).
  
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- Chul June 16, 2009 17:00
  
  Don't you dare go RTM and start charging without implementing a unified inbox! Thanks.
  
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- vincent July 28, 2009 10:38
  
  I dont think that postbox has the deal-breaking feature i would pay for. Lets say thunderbird is at 7/10 and postbox at 8/10. its a close call definitely not worth the 40 $. If it wasn't for TB i would pay, but without TB there wouldnt be PB too
  
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- MMeester July 28, 2009 10:46
  
  that's what I'm thinking, too. PB doesn't have a 40$ advantage over TB3 betas for me ATM.
  
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- ivotron July 28, 2009 14:00
  
  The new Thunderbird-3.0b3 has a unified inbox, thread-level operations and improved GMail integration. With all these new enhancements (and more to come in the next months) $40 seems high.
  
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- josin July 31, 2009 08:15
  
  There are a lot of good ideas and features in PB but if it will be for $40, I'll wait for TB3 and moving out ...
  
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Thanks for your patience everyone, here is some additional information on pricing: 1) We will be licensing a fully featured version of Postbox. We're currently evaluating a number of different options, and you can participate in the discussion by taking the survey that is now linked from the start page within Postbox. How much will Postbox cost? We'll be announcing pricing once our survey completes, but our goal is to offer reasonable prices for Postbox in addition to upgrades, family packs, student discounts, and volume discounts. 2) We will continue to explore options and user demand for a free, community version of Postbox. This version would most likely be advertisement-supported, or contain a subset of functionality from the full version, or a little of each. We would very much like to release a community version, but there is no guarantee that we will. A second version of Postbox would introduce significant development overhead, and we would need to weigh the cost/benefits of such a release relative to new features that are already in high demand (many of which have been articulated here in Get Satisfaction). But we'll keep exploring this option as we would like as many people to benefit from Postbox as possible. Again, we encourage you to help us determine the right product and pricing mix by participating in our survey.

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remin June 16, 2009 16:36

If postbox will be licenced I hope you will give a lifetime license.
I don't buy anymore software which I have to upgrade for every new principal release or after a year like babylon, calendarscope, filelocator and much more of these.

I have bought a lot of this software and spend so much money that I could buy a major software suite as office.

There is more and more software now with a lifetime license.
The last I bought is super-antispyware.

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If postbox will be licenced I hope you will give a lifetime license. I don't buy anymore software which I have to upgrade for every new principal release or after a year like babylon, calendarscope, filelocator and much more of these. I have bought a lot of this software and spend so much money that I could buy a major software suite as office. There is more and more software now with a lifetime license. The last I bought is super-antispyware.

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Lorenzo June 16, 2009 18:39

Postbox is not that mature to justify a purchase..
Too bad.. It seems time to switch back to Apple Mail or Thunderbird..

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- Sherman (Official Rep) June 16, 2009 19:30
  
  The initiative to finalize pricing should not be confused with the current state of the Postbox beta. We would like to get pricing information out as soon as we can, but we'll ship 1.0 once we think the release is ready. Thanks!
  
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Postbox is not that mature to justify a purchase.. Too bad.. It seems time to switch back to Apple Mail or Thunderbird..

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gpzbc June 16, 2009 18:55

I'm not opposed to purchasing Postbox, but I wouldn't buy it today if I had to decide. There are still some features and quirks that need to be addressed before I purchase it.
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I'm not opposed to purchasing Postbox, but I wouldn't buy it today if I had to decide. There are still some features and quirks that need to be addressed before I purchase it. Thanks!

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Eldar Gezalov June 16, 2009 19:01

Same as Lorenzo, Back to Apple Mail

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remin June 16, 2009 19:45

I would consider to buy postbox for under $30 if lifetime license not for $29.95 and $25 for lifetime license.

And how do we know if Postbox will remain ahead of other email clients?

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- mbond June 16, 2009 19:53
  
  it won't, not for ever.
  
  Doesn't matter. if you think its worth the money when they release it, buy it. don't think about what will come down the line later. If you think like that with technology you won't ever buy anything :-P.
  
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- remin June 17, 2009 07:04
  
  Oh yes, it does matter. So many times did I buy software and found out that the creators didn't change much more afterward. New software came out with better interface and more useful features and I changed software.
  
  The confidence that the software creators stay ahead of their competitors is i.m.o.one of the most important reason to buy or not buy a software.
  
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- Sherman (Official Rep) June 18, 2009 14:50
  
  Let me add an additional point of view into the mix... Email is really limiting, and different companies, both small and large, are approaching this challenge from different angles.
  
  Over time, I think we'll see greater differentiation develop as each company seeks to satisfy a particular niche, and so it is going to be increasingly difficult to know exactly what being "ahead" of other offerings will mean.
  
  We'll most certainly continue to innovate, but will we go in the direction that resonates with you personally? That answer will be different for everybody.
  
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- mbond June 18, 2009 15:00
  
  And honestly, with Google Wave coming, i may be moving away from "traditional" email completely ... or at least as much as possible. That is much more akin to what I've been looking for in a communication tool than email. email sucks, it will continue to suck, and all the new breed of clients are doing is adding hacks to an old system.
  
  Postbox just seems to be doing it better than most everyone else at this point (at least their ideas are in the right place).
  
  They will likely continue to do that as well, their priorities are off what mine would be though in their development. Its been a LONG time since there has been an update, i'm curious what R13 will bring us ... must be fairly substantial. ;-).
  
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  Thank you Sherman,
  The direction you have taken till yet is the one let me choose Postbox as email client so we have a few things in common. For me it is important to know that there is a continue passion to make Postbox better in whatever direction it goes.
  
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Well, with "the cloud" becoming more important every day and thunderbird 3 on the way, I doubt that this is a very smart decision . I don't believe that there is any need for another Outlook, I also doubt, that Postpox can compete with Microsofts product...

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With the economy the way it is adding yet another "ad" based/for fee/buy me email client like Eudora (which was great at one time), which I loved the functionality if I did not have to close the program to get rid of the extra compose box every time. To come out and say after the initial statement that it was going to be free, that you are considering a fee. Bad form.

There are plenty of venture capitalists out there to fund dev. Just ask facebook and others.

You lost me with this move. It is still too buggy to be considered a sell able product even.

MicroSoft and Google are making free clients that meet and some times exceed the need.

I'll go back to open source....................................was nice beta testing.......

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ivotron June 24, 2009 05:36

TB3 will be then

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  At the rate that Thunderbird 3 is being developed, you may never see it.
  
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  I believe that Postbox is much more user friendly then TB 3.
  The search (and the direct display of the messages in the search list) is one of the best I've seen in whatever email client (like the old eudora client).
  I find my messages now much quicker and I'm working more efficient.
  However there are things I miss from Thunderbird, moving and copying mail and quick going to a folder (for which I used an extension).
  
  Postbox opens much quicker then TB.
  TB has too much features on the wrong place. New releases with new features are coming out slowly. Too much people are deciding about new features and these features are almost always on the wrong place.
  10 years ago we had a software company and I developed the interface of the (only) software packet we created. I thought many and many weeks about it and virtually tested my design many many times as if I was the customer. We had a huge success. Over 30.000 people subscribed to the service and national media television spoke about us. Not the features was the success but the interface people said.
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  I've discovered Fluid recently and I think I've finally found something that works for me. Fluid is a tool for Mac which lets you create pseudo desktop applications (actually, special Safari instances) out of web applications. So I just made a Fluid instance for GMail and I have a GMail icon in my dock which opens a custom "gmail browser", and shows a badge if I get new emails. That's really all I need...
  
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  I'm using TB3 already and frankly there's only one thing missing for me when compared to PB (thread-wide conversation tagging). I certainly can live without it.
  
  For search, i use google desktop.
  
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Tom V July 03, 2009 06:02

Good sw like PB needs to be supported! I've basically given up on TB (been using TB3).. their rate of development is slower than a slug, and PB's indexing and interface is already light-years ahead. Anything under $30 would be a bargain.

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Matthieu Blanco July 15, 2009 18:42

Hi,

I'm using Gmail and GoogleApps since more 2 years and I realy don't like email-client like outlook, thunderbird or other. Hold, no "discution" view, etc.

Yesterday I realy falling in love of Postbox. Smart, ready for the new generation of email usage, great fonctions and new features, clean interface...just wow ! And complety compatible with IMAP and Gmail/hotmail/etc adress !

Incredible. And I have a question, when (approximatly) the final version will be released and how much it will be cost ?

The idea to based an email-client on mozilla thunderbird and to focus on the interface/features it's the best what you can do.

"Je vous souhaite une très bonne continuation !"
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Hi, I'm using Gmail and GoogleApps since more 2 years and I realy don't like email-client like outlook, thunderbird or other. Hold, no "discution" view, etc. Yesterday I realy falling in love of Postbox. Smart, ready for the new generation of email usage, great fonctions and new features, clean interface...just wow ! And complety compatible with IMAP and Gmail/hotmail/etc adress ! Incredible. And I have a question, when (approximatly) the final version will be released and how much it will be cost ? The idea to based an email-client on mozilla thunderbird and to focus on the interface/features it's the best what you can do. "Je vous souhaite une très bonne continuation !" Matthieu. This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled <a href="/postbox/topics/price?utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_topic" target="_blank">Price</a>.

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Frank Drebin July 15, 2009 18:43

It would be nice to have some official information about pricing because once you decide to receive your new mail with Postbox, you're kind of stuck with it. I find it strange that nothing is said about this on the website.

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jailerjoe July 15, 2009 18:44

I know this has probably already been asked but what will PostBox cost when you exit beta? I don't want to "invest" a bunch of time and effort into using PostBox to find out later it's going to cost more than I'm willing to pay. I very much like what I see in Postbox but Mail has worked fine for me for going on 9 years so I'm in no big hurry to to replace it. Will definitely come down to price.

Please let us know asap.

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  Same here! I can't decide use Postbox or not because I don't know how much it will cost. Postbox is probably very very good and I thinking about buying it when it will release, but it will be much more easy to decide If you just tell us (maybe not 100% exactly) how much it will cost? Thank you
  
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Can you tell me will Postbox be free or not when it will out of beta? Thanks.

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Via Cassian July 16, 2009 16:05

I rely heavily on some free utility programs and services, but for most of my applications I like a paid version better than a free one. Typically, the cost of a program is still a good deal for me when I get no advertising, a better designed and functioning interface, less bugs, more features, better support, less conflicts with my other programs, and future product development.

Several of my favorite software companies produce a free version of their applications and then one or two levels of paid versions.

For my use, I hope the several problems with Poxtbox get fixed and that along with a free version there is a paid version with most features and a pro version of Postbox to choose from — tomorrow.

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I've used so many mail clients, some I paid for (Eudora, Mailsmith, Mulberry, AppleMail, Thunderbird) that if something really useful comes along I'm willing to pay. Postbox looks very good to me and makes me more productive. What I want most if for a great product to come along and last! As a very happy Eudora user it was sad to watch it fade away. Mailsmith simply won't do modern email, and AppleMail is too quirky for me, I just can't get it to work across different kinds of accounts in a consistent way. I have lots of accounts from different services and only Thunderbird could handle them all reasonably well. Now Postbox promises the good things of Thunderbird with a much better interface and features.

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tmax July 27, 2009 06:02

Will pay as long as less $ than outlook(!)
and only when bugs like --'s above sig and sig above forwards.etc are fixed.
Stupid mozilla people and convention. it's not about that sometimes!!

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remin July 28, 2009 09:53

No postbox will not stay free.
Today I paid for Postbox. Bought the version with unlimited upgrades (family pack).

I really hope that Postbox will stay ahead of other email clients. ;)

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  Thanks remin. Curious to see how your order process went feel free to ping me at support@postbox-inc.com if you had any issues. -Scott
  
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radalin July 28, 2009 12:18

So did I! I have bought one with lifetime upgrades :)

Hope that it never drops hotmail support (unless ms decides to take payment for it too and yes i still use it:) and stays ahead of other email clients (at least the free ones :)

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Sherman (Official Rep) July 28, 2009 14:56

Hello everyone,

Today we released Postbox Beta 14 and announced product and pricing options for a fully featured, advertisement-free, premium version of Postbox. You can find the details of the announcement on our blog at http://postbox-inc.com/?/blog/entry/p...

We know that many of you may be disappointed (maybe even a little angry, mad, sad) that we didn't lead with a free version. Please know that an awful lot of consideration went into our roadmap, and although factors such as the economy have certainly influenced our thinking, our most important deciding factor was direct feedback from Postbox users. As we moved through the beta, it became very clear to us that the highest demand was for a full version of Postbox vs. a version with less functionality or advertisements.

So what's our plan moving forward? We're currently marching towards our 1.0 release, and there's more that we would like to do to improve usability, performance, and reliability. There's also a lot of demand for localized versions of Postbox, so we're working on getting the right frameworks in place for these efforts.

Finally, we'll continue to explore options for a free version of Postbox.

In the meantime, we do have Postbox on sale for $29. We think this is a great value, particularly for an application that many people use several hours a day. If you enjoy Postbox and believe that it improves your overall computing experience, then we hope you will consider purchasing the product.

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- mbond July 28, 2009 17:20
  
  $29 for postbox isn't a great value, unfortunately.
  
  It adds little value that Mail.app and Thunderbird 3.0 don't already have for free. And in the case of Mail.app on MacOS X people would be losing a considerable amount of functionality due to the, purposeful, omission of Apple Script support.
  
  Sorry guys. I loved the potential that Postbox had/has ... but "Postbox notifies you and allows you to update the conversation." that's great for a beta product, but a full on 1.0 shouldn't bother you about it and just do it, seamlessly.
  
  There is a thread floating around here somewhere with what I feel a 1.0 release of postbox should include. I stand by that original post. If you can manage all that, before the other companies catch up with a conversation view and tagging ... then it would be worth $30
  
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  I disagree - I think the postbox client is a nice change from what is out there already and the pricing is reasonable with the family pack. More importantly it is the only IMAP client I have used extensively that seems to consistently work.
  
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- Lorenzo July 28, 2009 17:37
  
  Yep, that's the problem, how can I trust a Company like this?
  
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Thierry July 28, 2009 18:19

Get a grip, would you work for free? Even if the software is based on a open source engine, all the added features are based on what people wanted, these features that are present are the work of several dedicated people who wants to have a sort of compensation for it.
For example; Microsoft let people use béta software for more then a year and to sell it afterwords when the job is done, plain and simple.
If I would design something that people could use, I would ask money for it.
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Nauglamir July 28, 2009 19:02

Beta pay? Sorry, but I ́m not willing to pay for things I help to test, finding problems or made suggestions. A lot of questions from the beta users are not answered or solutions found.
Maybe I will pay in the future for a really good piece of software but at the moment postbox is not that it was signalised...
So I will wait a little more time and look what the community is processing with TB3...

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- remin July 28, 2009 19:22
  
  TB1 was a good software, TB2 worse and TB3 an awful software.
  They are adding more and more stuff without considering the interface.
  Comparing with Outlook TB is a wonderful piece of software but Postbox is much better.
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  I have been in lots of betas as voluntarily like this (lots of games and other software) and later paid for them or chose not to pay them. I was generally aware that they will be paid products but always hoped that they wouldn't.
  There is really nothing wrong for they wanting to be paid and imho I especially want to pay to a product which I can make suggestions which I know they will be looked and evaluated.
  
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Beta pay? Sorry, but I´m not willing to pay for things I help to test, finding problems or made suggestions. A lot of questions from the beta users are not answered or solutions found. Maybe I will pay in the future for a really good piece of software but at the moment postbox is not that it was signalised... So I will wait a little more time and look what the community is processing with TB3...

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I don't have a problem with the price tag for Postbox. It is a great piece of software and that certainly deserves a price paid for it.

For me personally, I have to juggle my budget with what I am getting. Since I am a student, I am afraid I will have to abandon Postbox and the extra features that it provides for a email client that is free.

I don't think any less of Postbox for doing what they have done, that is just the reality of it all.

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  @gpzbc our plan is to offer student discounts at 50% off retail, so about $19. But we do not yet have the frameworks in place to process those orders, but will. In the meantime, simply continue using the beta. Thanks!
  
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  Wow! That is really good to know. Thanks for the heads-up.
  
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  Oh, cool. Student myself, it starts to sound interesting again. Anyway, I'll continue to follow PB's development , for it's an interesting program.
  
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I don't have a problem with the price tag for Postbox. It is a great piece of software and that certainly deserves a price paid for it. For me personally, I have to juggle my budget with what I am getting. Since I am a student, I am afraid I will have to abandon Postbox and the extra features that it provides for a email client that is free. I don't think any less of Postbox for doing what they have done, that is just the reality of it all.

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firebrain July 28, 2009 22:39

Well I think to pay for software like this really ok. What bothers me is the price, I suggest to price it let's say for $9.99, I think more people would be willing to pay for Postbox and you still may make a lot of cash :-)

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Well I think to pay for software like this really ok. What bothers me is the price, I suggest to price it let's say for $9.99, I think more people would be willing to pay for Postbox and you still may make a lot of cash :-)

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vincent July 28, 2009 23:07

Don't get me wrong but after fighting all those bugs, and helping you with the details of postbox, now we'll have to pay for it? Its based on a free platform for gods sake.

I'd really pay 40 bucks for postbox if i wasnt using it since early betas.

This will make people jump back to thunderbird.

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Don't get me wrong but after fighting all those bugs, and helping you with the details of postbox, now we'll have to pay for it? Its based on a free platform for gods sake. I'd really pay 40 bucks for postbox if i wasnt using it since early betas. This will make people jump back to thunderbird. This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled <a href="/postbox/topics/so_now_well_have_to_pay_for_it?utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_topic" target="_blank">So, now we'll have to PAY for it?</a>.

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Luke Antins July 28, 2009 23:28

I've been using PostBox since the beta started.
I was having issues with Mail.app crashing on a regular basis, often leaving it it in a state where I couldn't re-open the app!
Mail.app seems to dislike a large amount of emails across multiple IMAP accounts.

PostBox on the other hand handles my mail very well! (lots of mailing lists)

I've just purchased license along with the lifetime upgrades option, the total come to approx. £35.00 GBP... I think that's a very fair price, especially with the lifetime upgrades.

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I've been using PostBox since the beta started. I was having issues with Mail.app crashing on a regular basis, often leaving it it in a state where I couldn't re-open the app! Mail.app seems to dislike a large amount of emails across multiple IMAP accounts. PostBox on the other hand handles my mail very well! (lots of mailing lists) I've just purchased license along with the lifetime upgrades option, the total come to approx. £35.00 GBP... I think that's a very fair price, especially with the lifetime upgrades.

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arvind July 29, 2009 13:03

I can't believe there are people here who are actually complaining about having to pay for PB..

Regardless, I'm still not sure postbox is ready yet: there are still a bunch of basic features and bugs still to be ironed out. As it stands, PB feels like a nicer version of Thunderbird with a few fun features, but nothing much more. For instance, the address book still sucks.. some basic innovation has yet to happen.

So, do I want to invest in Postbox at this stage? Probably not. Do I want to invest in the PROMISE of Postbox? Perhaps, but then I don't know what future I'm trying to support by the purchase. Perhaps the developers can release a roadmap, so I can evaluate whether this is a product that holds hope? Then I might even buy the lifetime upgrades pack...

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  I owned for many years a software company (we created/modified interfaces of websites and software for medium/big companies). I remember me that roadmaps (investors asked us always roadmaps) is not the easiest thing to create considering that everything can be different over a year (crisis, new ideas, change in habits of people) but I'm sure the postbox owners will have created already a shorttime roadmap. Maybe people will switch more easier to postbox when they know what the future will bring.
  
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  Yes, there are certainly a number of reliability, performance and usability issues we would like to address for 1.0 and beyond (1.1, 1.2, etc.).
  
  But there's much, much more to Postbox under the covers than meets the eye. At the heart of Postbox is our content engine (a smart layer of information about your messages) which powers many of the search capabilities within Postbox. Most of our 1.0 development efforts have been spent building out this enabling platform, and you're starting to see some of the benefits of this expressed through features such as search tabs. But there's much more to come!
  
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  @Sherman, it would be nice to have some clarity around what all that awesome stuff might be the under-the-covers aspects enable, and whether that's a 1.0 to 1.1 upgrade or it comes in version 2. as it stands, I'm not clear whether 1.1 is a version I will have to pay for as an upgrade: the pricing policy does not make that clear.
  
  While i don't doubt that PostBox might be a very promising platform, the only evidence I have for it is what it does right now. And while I will probably end up buying a 1.0 license, I'm not at all sure that Postbox will develop the way I want it to. What I'd like to see is a vision: you don't even have to live up to it. I just want to see what it is I'm investing in...
  
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  @arvind updates, (e.g. 1.1, 1.2, etc.) are included with a Postbox 1.0 purchase. We will charge for upgrades (e.g. 2.0, 3.0, etc.), but if you buy the lifetime, you'll get access to all of them. I'll be sure to update the FAQ to address any uncertainty there.
  
  We do not make our roadmaps public beyond what is evident in GS posts or within the betas themselves. This is a pretty standard practice in the industry, and we hope you understand. But know that we have a lot of exciting things planned for the future, and we can't wait to bring them to light.
  
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  Well I'm not complaining about the price. I also think paying for an app is necessary and I'm willing to, but not for nearly 40$ (ok now 30) for an email client.
  
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I can't believe there are people here who are actually complaining about having to pay for PB.. Regardless, I'm still not sure postbox is ready yet: there are still a bunch of basic features and bugs still to be ironed out. As it stands, PB feels like a nicer version of Thunderbird with a few fun features, but nothing much more. For instance, the address book still sucks.. some basic innovation has yet to happen. So, do I want to invest in Postbox at this stage? Probably not. Do I want to invest in the PROMISE of Postbox? Perhaps, but then I don't know what future I'm trying to support by the purchase. Perhaps the developers can release a roadmap, so I can evaluate whether this is a product that holds hope? Then I might even buy the lifetime upgrades pack...

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mbond July 29, 2009 14:06

Some people missed my point.

I have no issue with paying for quality software that fills a need that other software does not.

Problem is, postbox doesn't fill that need for me.

1) Tags don't sync automatically across imap servers. you have to enter the tags on each computer you use.

2) No apple script support on Mac, so you can't use it properly with other system tools (iCal, etc ...)

3) Conversation view is lacking, and not smart enough to the point of frustration. Needs tools to be able to merge and separate threads more easily.

4) Searching leaves a lot to be desired ... attaching saved searches to an account, even though they can search across accounts, is a usability nightmare to the point that they were useless for me. They need their own panel.

I can go on and on.

The ideas behind postbox are great. But they are putting ideas in, then adding more features or refining features that are less important for a working email client.

Here is my previous list, from a long time ago, of things that i consider essential before a 1.0 can be released. These are things that would "polish" so that it feels like a "real" email client as well as bring it up to par with what people expect in a real email client.

http://getsatisfaction.com/postbox/to...

I had really high hopes for post box. I would GLADLY pay $50 for post box, as well as another $50 at every major x.0 release. A good, high quality, email client is hard to come by. Thunderbird and Mail.App and Outlook are not good or high quality. But they are "polished" ... if Postbox got all the bugs worked out and everything gets refined they COULD have that. Right now, they just aren't there.

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Some people missed my point. I have no issue with paying for quality software that fills a need that other software does not. Problem is, postbox doesn't fill that need for me. 1) Tags don't sync automatically across imap servers. you have to enter the tags on each computer you use. 2) No apple script support on Mac, so you can't use it properly with other system tools (iCal, etc ...) 3) Conversation view is lacking, and not smart enough to the point of frustration. Needs tools to be able to merge and separate threads more easily. 4) Searching leaves a lot to be desired ... attaching saved searches to an account, even though they can search across accounts, is a usability nightmare to the point that they were useless for me. They need their own panel. I can go on and on. The ideas behind postbox are great. But they are putting ideas in, then adding more features or refining features that are less important for a working email client. Here is my previous list, from a long time ago, of things that i consider essential before a 1.0 can be released. These are things that would "polish" so that it feels like a "real" email client as well as bring it up to par with what people expect in a real email client. <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/postbox/topics/wish_list_changes_to_polish_postbox">http://getsatisfaction.com/postbox/topics/wish_list_changes_to_polish_postbox</a> I had really high hopes for post box. I would GLADLY pay $50 for post box, as well as another $50 at every major x.0 release. A good, high quality, email client is hard to come by. Thunderbird and Mail.App and Outlook are not good or high quality. But they are "polished" ... if Postbox got all the bugs worked out and everything gets refined they COULD have that. Right now, they just aren't there.

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Alan Jay July 29, 2009 14:20

I also can't understand why people are complaining. When I first came across PostBox I couldn't believe it was Free - what is the business model?

I hope moving forward that there will be a free trial option because try before you buy is so important.

I've purchased a copy (family pack) because I have moved my family over to Postbox because it is simple and intuitive to use. the IMAP works and allows my wife and I to have full access to our email in the office or on the road with our iPhone's.

The search works as you expect it to and for the first time I can search my mail sucesfully and find what I ma looking for. On my PC I used to have to use Google Desktop to fine email conversations.

Overall for a, not yet, 1.0 product Postbox is excellent if we want Postbox to grow we need to pay up - at the moment for less that $70 you can have lifetime updates for you and your family which is excellent (OK I might have preferred all that for $50 but times are tough and I'll chip in an extra $20 for development :) ).

All I can say to people griping is "grow up" if you want good software and you want it to develop be happy to pay a little to the good folk writing it so they can develop it further and make it an excellent product.

Good luck guys!

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I also can't understand why people are complaining. When I first came across PostBox I couldn't believe it was Free - what is the business model? I hope moving forward that there will be a free trial option because try before you buy is so important. I've purchased a copy (family pack) because I have moved my family over to Postbox because it is simple and intuitive to use. the IMAP works and allows my wife and I to have full access to our email in the office or on the road with our iPhone's. The search works as you expect it to and for the first time I can search my mail sucesfully and find what I ma looking for. On my PC I used to have to use Google Desktop to fine email conversations. Overall for a, not yet, 1.0 product Postbox is excellent if we want Postbox to grow we need to pay up - at the moment for less that $70 you can have lifetime updates for you and your family which is excellent (OK I might have preferred all that for $50 but times are tough and I'll chip in an extra $20 for development :) ). All I can say to people griping is "grow up" if you want good software and you want it to develop be happy to pay a little to the good folk writing it so they can develop it further and make it an excellent product. Good luck guys!

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Thorsten Wiediger July 29, 2009 15:54

I like PB and am I'm fine to pay, generally, for a good piece of software. Considering the advantage over against Thunderbird 3 I would pay 10-15 USD for it.

But 30 USD are definitely too much for me for a very similar email client compared to TB or Apple Mail. That's why I deleted PB and installed Thunderbird 3. I'm fine with that choice.

I hope that, in the future, the developers of PB would consider their prices and make some adjustments. I think there are many PB beta users who would pay for it but not for a 1.0 version and not 30 USD. Why not start at a lower level and increase your prices with the increasing maturity of PB?

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I like PB and am I'm fine to pay, generally, for a good piece of software. Considering the advantage over against Thunderbird 3 I would pay 10-15 USD for it. But 30 USD are definitely too much for me for a very similar email client compared to TB or Apple Mail. That's why I deleted PB and installed Thunderbird 3. I'm fine with that choice. I hope that, in the future, the developers of PB would consider their prices and make some adjustments. I think there are many PB beta users who would pay for it but not for a 1.0 version and not 30 USD. Why not start at a lower level and increase your prices with the increasing maturity of PB?

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Robbie July 29, 2009 16:28

Postbox has the development pace that Thunderbird lost ages ago, the interface has been thought about and the interaction directly with the Postbox guys here is very useful.

In my opinion, you're paying these guys for the integrated experience that Mozilla leaves completely to add-on creators.

I've got Postbox 1.0b14 running on Windows handling my mail, contacts & calendars and it does so with ease and with a style that Thunderbird simply doesn't have.

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  Overall I agree with your comments - though I'm not sure the integration with contacts and calendars yet works to the level I would like especially on the Mac. But overall as a work in progress it is great and it has been developing fast which is fantastic lets hope the development cycle continues to move forward at the same excellent speed.
  
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Dick Barsky July 29, 2009 17:36

I have to say, I've never actually paid for an email client I use at home. Either I was able to get a license from work (Eudora, Outlook) or I've used free clients (Eudora, Mail, Thunderbird). I recently switched to Postbox from Thunderbird for two reasons; 1) Postbox's search is exceptionally fast, 2) the UI is much more visually pleasing.

I'd be willing to use an ad supported version of Postbox, but I'd have to think long and hard about paying $30 - $40 for a single license. I know you guys need to make money, but I don't believe home users will pay for something they can get free from others. Businesses will, as long as that license fee brings with it support.

I hope the Postbox team introduces a free version along side the paid. Otherwise, I'll either stay at the latest beta version, or move back to Thunderbird.

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I have to say, I've never actually paid for an email client I use at home. Either I was able to get a license from work (Eudora, Outlook) or I've used free clients (Eudora, Mail, Thunderbird). I recently switched to Postbox from Thunderbird for two reasons; 1) Postbox's search is exceptionally fast, 2) the UI is much more visually pleasing. I'd be willing to use an ad supported version of Postbox, but I'd have to think long and hard about paying $30 - $40 for a single license. I know you guys need to make money, but I don't believe home users will pay for something they can get free from others. Businesses will, as long as that license fee brings with it support. I hope the Postbox team introduces a free version along side the paid. Otherwise, I'll either stay at the latest beta version, or move back to Thunderbird.

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Joey July 29, 2009 20:47

Fellas..

There is other ways for you to profit off of your email client, using us as a trial & error beta run ain't cool... so keep it free, get sponsors to sponsor your app or figure out a way not to have people pay for the app that way your distributional reach is larger, wider and better!

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  I used the trial and tested. I reported errors.
  I wonder how many were invited here to test the betas. I know that I wasn't invited. It's not a closed beta testing system.
  I personally benefit from its use and would have done no testing without this immediate benefit unless there was a prior agreement to have a free license once out of beta.
  I detect some intellectual dishonesty in this repeated claim of users testing and being unreasonably asked to pay. I have no problem whatsoever paying.
  
  Finally, to be frank, I'm hoping that they will listen to those willing to pay under the circumstances.
  
  It's not all that will find value in the efforts made to enhance PB to what it is now in relation to ThunderBird. IMO, those who don't find it worth it can move on as is done with all other products which aren't free.
  
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Fellas.. There is other ways for you to profit off of your email client, using us as a trial & error beta run ain't cool... so keep it free, get sponsors to sponsor your app or figure out a way not to have people pay for the app that way your distributional reach is larger, wider and better!

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vincent July 30, 2009 08:50

HEY!! I created a POLL so that we can see how much we would PAY!!! please participate!!

http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/182...

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  What do you want to achieve with this Poll?
  Where is the > 30 category?
  
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HEY!! I created a POLL so that we can see how much we would PAY!!! please participate!! http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/1822351/

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vincent July 30, 2009 09:40

I want to show that (if i am correct) most of us wouldnt pay more than 10 $.

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I want to show that (if i am correct) most of us wouldnt pay more than 10 $. sorry, editing it right now

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Robbie July 30, 2009 10:11

Vincent, your poll is pointless. It's easy to say "wouldn't pay more than" but you don't know what any of these guys costs are.

I would imagine that the current 'discount' sale means anyone who's buying will pick up a copy "at cost". I would guess that going forward postbox are looking for a 33% margin as they know that people like yourself are going to ditch and the user numbers will drop so they need to make good margin on whatever sales they get.

Paid product can never compete on a level playing field with free product. So if free is what you want you should just go use a free client (thunderbird)

All the moaning on here actually boils down to is that people want the better experience (postbox) but are too cheap to pay for it!

PS: How many of you don't get paid in order to earn a living?

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  Yes, I expect to be paid in order to earn a living.
  
  However, if you make a product that needs to be priced 50$ and the public wont pay more than 10 you have failed.
  
  What the poll is trying to show is whether postbox planning was correct. Selling postbox for 40 $ (without lifetime licence) if most wont pay more than 10 isnt viable.
  
  Its the creators' right to charge whatever they think is right according to their efforts and costs.And it is the buyers' right to choose the value of this product according to their needs and the competition.
  
  All the poll is trying to show is whether the price was right according to the buyers.
  
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  I agree with the Robbie that the poll is pointless. It's not about how much you would pay, Even it was 10$ you wouldn't pay. Windows costs more than 200$, is it worth it? Who decides the price of it? Not you, nor me, MS price it just like the people in Postbox does.
  
  Does someone who had already paid to the Postbox will join to the poll? So the poll is misleading, it's votes of people who can't or won't pay the current price to Postbox and thinks that it's overpriced. Someone who already paid it will not even care for it. So your poll won't reveal anything as only the non-payers will join it.
  
  I'm not even sure why I still want to follow this post or intend to write replies.
  
  Postbox helped me a lot by unifying my two imap accounts, my hotmail accout, my gmail account, my facebook account, my twitter account. In the mean time I hope it will unify my google reader account and my wordpress blog. I didn't find any mail apps including Apple Mail which can't even manage the subscriptions for imap accounts and crashes because it can't handle my junk folder which I don't even want to get!
  
  I paid Postbox and bought a lifetime license. I don't know if it will stay innovative till the end. I helps me a lot now. With it's search which actually works and by unifying my emails. So I paid for it.
  
  It meaningless to say that:
  "We are beta testers, I don't pay for software which I beta test": It's ridiculous, I have been in lots of betas and later paid for the products, meaning of open beta is not that the product will be free. It's way for you to test the product and see if it's worth to go on with it, shape it the way you want by indicating which features are important for you and other things.
  "what 30$, it's too much!", It's still pointless as you probably pay 5$ for an Iphone app or 13$ monthly for your wow account.
  "there are other ways to profit": Check this post and you will notice that company had already said it was looking for a business model. Unless you really have a great idea, which does not come to you with a second of thought, it's pointless to say because company was thinking about it for nearly 5 months.
  
  You are just whining because you know that Postbox helps you and you don't want to migrate back to Thunderbird (or whatever) because you know how lame it will be after Postbox.
  
  I don't intend to offend anyone. As I leave in Turkey, the current price of the Postbox with lifetime license is nearly a full week's lunch money for me (yes $ is pretty overpriced in Turkey, so 1$ is nearly 2 Turkish Lira). So I really understand how "cheap" it is. So please don't say to me that it's too much to pay 50$ for a product which will save you hundreds of moments without frustration.
  
  Still, I don't want to offend anyone. I just wanted to make a comment from someone who had already bought Postbox and really happy with the decision he made.
  
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Vincent, your poll is pointless. It's easy to say "wouldn't pay more than" but you don't know what any of these guys costs are. I would imagine that the current 'discount' sale means anyone who's buying will pick up a copy "at cost". I would guess that going forward postbox are looking for a 33% margin as they know that people like yourself are going to ditch and the user numbers will drop so they need to make good margin on whatever sales they get. Paid product can never compete on a level playing field with free product. So if free is what you want you should just go use a free client (thunderbird) All the moaning on here actually boils down to is that people want the better experience (postbox) but are too cheap to pay for it! PS: How many of you don't get paid in order to earn a living?

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vincent July 30, 2009 13:19

I created a poll. Lets show the developers how much we would pay!!!

http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/182...

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Chad July 30, 2009 15:45

Yeah, as much as I ~~love~~ like Postbox, I can't really say it's earned the price tag being put on it. There's no way I'd buy it and not include the lifetime upgrades option, so for me the cost is between USD$50 and USD$60.

There's not enough additional functionality to justify a price that high. I love the gui, and the search function is unmatched, IME. But It's not worth $50 for it, when I can use Thunderbird (which is obviously adequate, given that I was using it for years before), or when faced with the fact that I can use the beta14 version indefinitely.

To Postbox Employees: you've really been let down by your sales department here. Why should I pay for the baseline version (1.0) when I can continue using the beta version for free? You haven't told me anything about what will be in the baseline version, so you're essentially asking me to plop down cash for promises of something better to come.

I'm putting out a challenge. Want me to buy Postbox (I'd love to want to...)? Sell it to me. You've got two competitors:

Thunderbird 3 : It might not be out there yet, but I can see what it promises in the beta versions which are available for me to use. I can use the betas for free, and I know that when TB3.0 exits beta, it will be free for me to use.

Your own Beta14 product: Let's face it. It's what I'm currently using, and it meets my current needs just fine. I still have the installer file, and it's backed up in multiple places. What's going to be in PostBox.1.0 that's not already in PostBox.b14? So far, I've heard nothing about what's coming, other than bug fixes -- and none of the bugs I've encountered have been severe enough for me to stop using PostBox.

I want to be convinced. But you've got to do the heavy lifting. Why should I buy Postbox 1.0 instead of using the free alternatives listed above? Ideally, you'd convince me here, on an open forum. If not, that's okay. I'm choosing to share my email address with PostBox so they can contact me directly, should they choose to do so.

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- MMeester July 30, 2009 16:03
  
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  You won't be able to do this. Postbox betas expire after some time.
  
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  There's not enough additional functionality to justify a price that high. I love "the gui, and the search function is unmatched, IME. But It's not worth $50 for it, when I can use Thunderbird"
  
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Yeah, as much as I <s>love</s> like Postbox, I can't really say it's earned the price tag being put on it. There's no way I'd buy it and not include the lifetime upgrades option, so for me the cost is between USD$50 and USD$60. There's not enough additional functionality to justify a price that high. I love the gui, and the search function is unmatched, IME. But It's not worth $50 for it, when I can use Thunderbird (which is obviously adequate, given that I was using it for years before), or when faced with the fact that I can use the beta14 version indefinitely. To Postbox Employees: you've really been let down by your sales department here. Why should I pay for the baseline version (1.0) when I can continue using the beta version for free? You haven't told me anything about what will be in the baseline version, so you're essentially asking me to plop down cash for promises of something better to come. I'm putting out a challenge. Want me to buy Postbox (I'd love to want to...)? Sell it to me. You've got two competitors: Thunderbird 3 : It might not be out there yet, but I can see what it promises in the beta versions which are available for me to use. I can use the betas for free, and I know that when TB3.0 exits beta, it will be free for me to use. Your own Beta14 product: Let's face it. It's what I'm currently using, and it meets my current needs just fine. I still have the installer file, and it's backed up in multiple places. What's going to be in PostBox.1.0 that's not already in PostBox.b14? So far, I've heard nothing about what's coming, other than bug fixes -- and none of the bugs I've encountered have been severe enough for me to stop using PostBox. I want to be convinced. But you've got to do the heavy lifting. Why should I buy Postbox 1.0 instead of using the free alternatives listed above? Ideally, you'd convince me here, on an open forum. If not, that's okay. I'm choosing to share my email address with PostBox so they can contact me directly, should they choose to do so. This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled <a href="/postbox/topics/want_me_to_buy_postbox_1_0_convince_me?utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_topic" target="_blank">Want me to buy Postbox 1.0? Convince me!</a>.

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vincent July 30, 2009 16:31

I see that the general view is that although PB's additions and features are pretty neat, useful and cool, the added value doesn't justify the 60 $ for a lifetime license. And lets not forget that there are still quite a lot of bugs.
(has anyone found out how to add secondary emails from the contacts panel btw, and wthy the hell does the "load more" button exist? I just want to see all my attachments!)

At the moment most of us can use at least 3 other alternatives (free or bundled with almost de facto program suites) already on our computers,

So, wouldn't it be better if 500 bought PB for 10$ rather than 100 for 30$?

At TC50 the founders said: "The business model: We believe that connecting email content to online services is key difertiator, once we direct content to other seri cces, thre’s opportunity there.

OpenDNS makes money displaying ads when you get 404s. You could display ads when we get spam. Or have a line with ads like gmails web clips.
Or show relevant ads beside the emails gmail-style.

the possibilities are endless.

And let's not forget that if you cannot create a product within the price range most customers are willing to pay its not the customers fault.
At TC50 the founders said: "The business model: We believe that connecting email content to online services is key difertiator, once we direct content to other seri cces, thre’s opportunity there.

Looks like sth went wrong

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  "You could display ads when we get spam. "
  Great idea, it would make you notice every single spam mail. That sounds like extra value to me!
  Seriously, please get a grip.
  Additionally, I don't get why you're so concerned about PBs pricing. It's their decision and their responsibility if it doesn't work out. That's how business works. No need to argue, IMO. Take it or leave it. It's that easy.
  
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I see that the general view is that although PB's additions and features are pretty neat, useful and cool, the added value doesn't justify the 60 $ for a lifetime license. And lets not forget that there are still quite a lot of bugs. (has anyone found out how to add secondary emails from the contacts panel btw, and wthy the hell does the "load more" button exist? I just want to see all my attachments!) At the moment most of us can use at least 3 other alternatives (free or bundled with almost de facto program suites) already on our computers, So, wouldn't it be better if 500 bought PB for 10$ rather than 100 for 30$? At TC50 the founders said: "The business model: We believe that connecting email content to online services is key difertiator, once we direct content to other seri cces, thre’s opportunity there. OpenDNS makes money displaying ads when you get 404s. You could display ads when we get spam. Or have a line with ads like gmails web clips. Or show relevant ads beside the emails gmail-style. the possibilities are endless. And let's not forget that if you cannot create a product within the price range most customers are willing to pay its not the customers fault. At TC50 the founders said: "The business model: We believe that connecting email content to online services is key difertiator, once we direct content to other seri cces, thre’s opportunity there. Looks like sth went wrong

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Thierry July 30, 2009 17:50

I have no problem in paying 50$ for PB, but than I expect a full featured version, add-ons included. So I wont have the hassle about installations.
PB is definitely worth the price.

Sherman & Scott, you guys are doing a very fine job, just continue with this and I'll pay with a big smile :)

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I have no problem in paying 50$ for PB, but than I expect a full featured version, add-ons included. So I wont have the hassle about installations. PB is definitely worth the price. Sherman & Scott, you guys are doing a very fine job, just continue with this and I'll pay with a big smile :)

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firebrain July 30, 2009 20:51

after reading through all these posts I'm starting to think that this discussion has become a little pointless itself.
Postbox inc. has set the price. Although I'm still undecided (because of the pricing) I'll buy it because nevertheless it's so much better than Mail.app/TB/Entourage.

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- Dick Barsky July 30, 2009 21:28
  
  I have to say, I agree with firebrain. My original commentary regarding the pricing had more to do with what I believe most people will do when it comes to paying for a standalone email client than the fact that Postbox is charging for their client (though, for personal use I'd be happy and jump at the chance to pay if the license were say $19.99 or less).
  
  And, I'll leave with this: unless Thunderbird 3 offers the fundamentals of what I need in a personal use email client (tagging, fast fast search, smart folders for tags like PB) then I will seriously consider paying for a family pack and lifetime upgrades. Pay once and never worry about paying again for upgrades.
  
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John July 30, 2009 22:38

While I'm kinda dissapointed in this not being free, I guess it makes sense. There is overhead and salaries to be paid. And while other internet companies offer free stuff (Google, Mozilla, AOL, etc.), these companies have revenue streams from other sources. I don't think the same can be said of those at Postbox.

However, that being said, $29? And that's the discount price??? Nah, make it more like $19 which is discounted from $29, THEN I'd be more apt to pay for it. Oh, and upgrades have to be free forever, once I pay for version 1.0

Hey, Getright and Easy CD-DA do it, why can't Postbox!?!?!

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Michael July 31, 2009 03:24

I am using the beta version (which is now for sale). And it still has several annoying bugs (for instance, the "Click to Download Message" that appears in the header doesn't work quite a number of times (and I can't get the message!!!), as well as others.

US$29.00? No way. If I do one day pay that much for an e-mail client, then I'd rather pay US$35.00 for The Bat! (www.ritlabs.com), one of the best e-mail clients I have ever seen.

Thunderbird 3.something is on it's way. And don't forget Eudora and it's Penelope.

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  Every piece of software has bugs. For my purposes Bat! is not enough - it works only in Windows and it also doesn't contain usenet news client. And me and other who already paid and registered Postbox thinks that price is not too high. For long time user of combination of mail and usenet client I think Postbox is now best. I do hope that eventually free Thunderbird will rise again but at this time for my point of view Postbox is most suitable for me.
  
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Marko July 31, 2009 11:35

I just paid for my Postbox + familypack + lifetime upgrades. I am a long time user of Mozilla-based email/usenet-application and know potential of Thunderbird. I used latest development release of Thunderbird before I found Postbox.
With Postbox I got same feeling than years ago when I discover Opera - then there was free (with ads) version and registered version with no ads. There was and is completely free versions available but I decided to support Opera and still Opera is my main browser. (But I still want separate mail/usenet program and not using Opera for that ;-)
One reason to dare to spent my money to Postbox is actually the fact that it is based on Thunderbird - I can trust basic architecture of Postbox and I also remember Scott's activity in Thunderbird.
I am sure that someday Thundebird will give a good competition to Postbox but at this time I like Postbox far more.

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  I have the feeling that the Mozilla organization isn't giving any significant support to Thunderbird development.
  Just because it doesn't fit in Google's business model to bring back users on desktop application without ads, and Google is it's main source of revenue.
  If Scoot did so much at Mozilla and decided to spin off, I guess there is a reason...
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I just paid for my Postbox + familypack + lifetime upgrades. I am a long time user of Mozilla-based email/usenet-application and know potential of Thunderbird. I used latest development release of Thunderbird before I found Postbox. With Postbox I got same feeling than years ago when I discover Opera - then there was free (with ads) version and registered version with no ads. There was and is completely free versions available but I decided to support Opera and still Opera is my main browser. (But I still want separate mail/usenet program and not using Opera for that ;-) One reason to dare to spent my money to Postbox is actually the fact that it is based on Thunderbird - I can trust basic architecture of Postbox and I also remember Scott's activity in Thunderbird. I am sure that someday Thundebird will give a good competition to Postbox but at this time I like Postbox far more.

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Via Cassian August 01, 2009 18:47

Like everyone I use E-mail constantly.

PostBox speeds up my work with my multiple AOL screen names. PostBox is easy to use. It has already increased my work efficiency enough to make my purchase today of a license and the lifetime upgrade option a good business deal for me.

Thanks.

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Like everyone I use E-mail constantly. PostBox speeds up my work with my multiple AOL screen names. PostBox is easy to use. It has already increased my work efficiency enough to make my purchase today of a license and the lifetime upgrade option a good business deal for me. Thanks.

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Joey August 03, 2009 00:38

Fellas... its simple mathematics!

Keep a high volume of users, turn around and sell that to sponsors and advertisers which guarantees you consistent monthly revenue! It also won't hurt to have a web based email where you can place ads as google does to lure in advertisers.

Keep it free and you're growth potential will see an increase - charge for the app and you'll have fewer users, more importantly Postbox' life cycle is insignificant and insufficient in comparison to other mail clients in the market and average volume - therefore the idea of charging will backfire as a low % of users will actually pay for it. I am one of that %

ex: Let's say Postbox has been downloaded 1,000,000 and out of that million there is a 50% user activity; take 0.1% to a max of 1% of that volume would pay.

5,000 x $30 = $150,000
50,000 x $30 = $1,500,000

My honest opinion is; that's a poor business call from your CFO :(

None the less - best of luck fellas :)

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Fellas... its simple mathematics! Keep a high volume of users, turn around and sell that to sponsors and advertisers which guarantees you consistent monthly revenue! It also won't hurt to have a web based email where you can place ads as google does to lure in advertisers. Keep it free and you're growth potential will see an increase - charge for the app and you'll have fewer users, more importantly Postbox' life cycle is insignificant and insufficient in comparison to other mail clients in the market and average volume - therefore the idea of charging will backfire as a low % of users will actually pay for it. I am one of that % ex: Let's say Postbox has been downloaded 1,000,000 and out of that million there is a 50% user activity; take 0.1% to a max of 1% of that volume would pay. 5,000 x $30 = $150,000 50,000 x $30 = $1,500,000 My honest opinion is; that's a poor business call from your CFO :( None the less - best of luck fellas :)

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Sherman August 03, 2009 01:31

I won't presume to second-guess your CFO, or to make pronouncements about business models. But I do believe there is a market for a good product with top-rate support and ongoing development (this is part of the issue here, isn't it? how do you ensure ongoing development?).

I said it when the price was announced and I'll say it again: I would have regarded $50 a fair price. I've bought email clients for more than that and for less than that. As they stopped meeting my needs, I moved on. At no point have I felt that my previous purchases, which I now no longer use, was a wasted investment. It was the cost of keeping me productive.

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Pat Betts August 06, 2009 23:03

I just don't want to have my mail stuck in software that MIGHT someday ask me to payup just to launch it... Just switched to Thunderbird... sorry guys...

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My problem with Thunderbird is that it doesn't have the features of Postbox. And it was quite shaky when I tried it.

I'll be watching Postbox and see if it meets the quality bar that Thunderbird failed here.

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Thierry August 07, 2009 11:31

You can't satisfy everybody and each has to look to their own needs and budgets.
I think that Postbox did a fantastic job so far and bought myself a lifetime license and I am convinced that Postbox will only get better in the future.

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Thorsten Wiediger August 07, 2009 11:52

I have to admit that I didn't want to buy PB since the price seemed to high. After checking out the beta version of TB3 (my only real alternative) and struggling with missing features that PB provides, I finally bought a lifetime licence of PB.

I'm still missing some features in this good piece of software. But being able to work my my different IMAP accounts, bringing order in there and finding stuff easily was worth the price.

And I want to invest money in this company because I appreciate the personal service through this forum and their invested time and effort to improve PB.

Keep up, guys!

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Matt August 08, 2009 14:30

Not sure this has been answered yet, but if someone (myself) was interested in buying a student copy and the life-time upgrade...how would you go about that, and is it possible?

Being as I live in a 3rd world country where the currency isn't that strong, do you have pricing options for other places? Particularly expats living & studying in China?

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McMac August 13, 2009 12:53

For me, currently Postbox is a nice app with some very interesting gimmicks and I see it going in the right direction.

However, if Postbox does not solve the issues I currently have with Thunderbird (on Mac):

* Only read-access to the Mac address book
* No integration with the system calendar
* Proper spotlight integration
* Preferably fix how emails are stored (-> backup via Time Machine, monolithic email storage is a thing of the past unless some database is used)

Once these basic things are fixed (or even clearly stated in the road map) I am not going to get too excited about some of the fancy and really nice features it currently offers.

This would create a "full Outlook replacement" for the Mac but better.

(integrating with system calender and address book also means that I can sync the stuff with iPhone, so no, Sunbird or Lightning are not really an option)

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For me, currently Postbox is a nice app with some very interesting gimmicks and I see it going in the right direction. However, if Postbox does not solve the issues I currently have with Thunderbird (on Mac): * Only read-access to the Mac address book * No integration with the system calendar * Proper spotlight integration * Preferably fix how emails are stored (-> backup via Time Machine, monolithic email storage is a thing of the past unless some database is used) Once these basic things are fixed (or even clearly stated in the road map) I am not going to get too excited about some of the fancy and really nice features it currently offers. This would create a "full Outlook replacement" for the Mac but better. (integrating with system calender and address book also means that I can sync the stuff with iPhone, so no, Sunbird or Lightning are not really an option)

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Ola Bergman September 27, 2009 13:58

So when did my FREE postbox become a trial version??

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So when did my FREE postbox become a trial version?? This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled <a href="/postbox/topics/trial/changes?utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_topic" target="_blank">Trial!</a>.

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Evan Middleton September 28, 2009 03:46

I have no problem with paying for an application that works well for me. However, $40 seems to be a much higher price point than I think is appropriate.

I like Postbox, and the added search functionality is fantastic. But the differences between it and TB are not enough to justify 30-40 dollars for a single license with no upgrades, and adding another 25 dollars on top of that for upgrades that may or may not even come seems fairly exorbitant.

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I have no problem with paying for an application that works well for me. However, $40 seems to be a much higher price point than I think is appropriate. I like Postbox, and the added search functionality is fantastic. But the differences between it and TB are not enough to justify 30-40 dollars for a single license with no upgrades, and adding another 25 dollars on top of that for upgrades that may or may not even come seems fairly exorbitant.

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roberto September 28, 2009 15:11

What???? Postbox is NO MORE FREE? Even if large parts of the code are still under GPL license? I'm sorry but I'll soon switch again to thunderbird.

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What???? Postbox is NO MORE FREE? Even if large parts of the code are still under GPL license? I'm sorry but I'll soon switch again to thunderbird. This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled <a href="/postbox/topics/thats_veery_bad/changes?utm_medium=email&utm_source=new_topic" target="_blank">That's veery bad!</a>.

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kiermel September 29, 2009 14:55

I've uninstalled Postbox and I'm back to Thunderbird. The price is overdone.

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I've uninstalled Postbox and I'm back to Thunderbird. The price is overdone.

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Vygandas September 29, 2009 16:10

Me too. I've succesfully transfered all settings and mailvoxes with a help of some hacking of the config files. New thunderbird3 beta4 works just fine.

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Me too. I've succesfully transfered all settings and mailvoxes with a help of some hacking of the config files. New thunderbird3 beta4 works just fine.

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gerfer October 05, 2009 12:40

Guys of Postbox team: You may earn much more money if u put a little price, like $10, Because NOW, postbox doesn't cost $50, $40 or $30. Else postbox can't be rival for TB3. Now i'm migrating to TB3 too. Thanx. Gerry

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Guys of Postbox team: You may earn much more money if u put a little price, like $10, Because NOW, postbox doesn't cost $50, $40 or $30. Else postbox can't be rival for TB3. Now i'm migrating to TB3 too. Thanx. Gerry

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Piergiorgio Barsanti October 20, 2009 04:14

Dear Sir, when I install Post Box from ZD it say very clear that this programs was free. Why wen I upgrade the program is no't free any more?

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  Download IS free - and sad to say but that is common phrase when you're searching free software. And ZDnet says also: "License: Free to try"
  No one is forcing you to use Postbox - I am satisfied user and use it in my PC and also my Mac (earlier in OS X Tiger and now after upgrade OS X Snow Leopard)
  
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  Download IS free - and sad to say but that is common phrase when you're searching free software. And ZDnet says also: "License: Free to try"
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lukoie October 20, 2009 13:16

I'm uninstalling postbox, and switching to something else, maybe back to TheBat. It's not such expensive as Postbox, and it is at least fair - i was hoping that if i use some FREE beta 0.x, it will remain FREE, if i dont upgrade to 1.x!

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I'm uninstalling postbox, and switching to something else, maybe back to TheBat. It's not such expensive as Postbox, and it is at least fair - i was hoping that if i use some FREE beta 0.x, it will remain FREE, if i dont upgrade to 1.x!

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pisani.gius April 08, 2011 17:31

"Please know that an awful lot of consideration went into our roadmap [...] our most important deciding factor was direct feedback from Postbox users. [...] it became very clear to us that the highest demand was for a full version of Postbox vs. a version with less functionality or advertisements."

Lies, why are you hide behind a ghost feedback from users? If it was true, you could release two versions, one of them with advertisement.
It would have to be interesting to see the real behaviour of users by their choice between paid version and with-advertsing-version.

At least you should be grateful to Mozilla and to us sent bugs report to you when the client was free.

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"Please know that an awful lot of consideration went into our roadmap [...] our most important deciding factor was direct feedback from Postbox users. [...] it became very clear to us that the highest demand was for a full version of Postbox vs. a version with less functionality or advertisements." Lies, why are you hide behind a ghost feedback from users? If it was true, you could release two versions, one of them with advertisement. It would have to be interesting to see the real behaviour of users by their choice between paid version and with-advertsing-version. At least you should be grateful to Mozilla and to us sent bugs report to you when the client was free.

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