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AideRSS support in FeedDemon
I would really, really, REALLY like it if AideRSS/PostRank support was integrated into the FeedDemon desktop news reader application. I know that it's been integrated into their web reader (Newsgator) for some time now, so they definitely aren't opposed to the concept.
Please work with them and encourage them to add this support into FeedDemon!
Please work with them and encourage them to add this support into FeedDemon!
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In good news, we know Nick, who develops FeedDemon (awesome guy), and we've discussed it, however, the features he adds are his call, and at this point I'm not aware of a specific ETA on PostRank functionality being added. Feel free to drop him a line as well, though.
That said, of course we'd love to get integrated into FeedDemon and the other NewsGator products that aren't PostRank-powered yet, and are happy to work with third party devs to make it happen. :)
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Inappropriate?In good news, we know Nick, who develops FeedDemon (awesome guy), and we've discussed it, however, the features he adds are his call, and at this point I'm not aware of a specific ETA on PostRank functionality being added. Feel free to drop him a line as well, though.
That said, of course we'd love to get integrated into FeedDemon and the other NewsGator products that aren't PostRank-powered yet, and are happy to work with third party devs to make it happen. :)
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Inappropriate?Adding PostRank support to FeedDemon could be very useful for some customers, but I'm not sure how this would work given that FeedDemon synchronizes with Google Reader.
The Google Reader "version" of a PostRank feed doesn't appear to keep the PostRank information, which means that FeedDemon wouldn't be able to show each item's ranking. Is there some way around this that doesn't require requesting each item's ranking individually?
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Inappropriate?I guess I had envisioned a slightly different integration approach. Rather than requesting each item's ranking individually so that FeedDemon can determine if the item ranks high enough to be displayed, I was just thinking that when you subscribe to a feed in FeedDemon that there would be an optional option to choose a PostRank filter level (i.e. good, better, or best) and FeedDemon would use some PostRank API to get the appropriate PostRank feed URL for the selected filtering level. FeedDemon would then subscribe to this PostRank URL instead of the original feed URL.
This approach allows PostRank to do all of the filtering and only the items that meet the filter requirements are included in the RSS XML, so only the appropriate items appear in FeedDemon and/or Google Reader.
I think Nick's approach is more flexible and would probably be a better approach if there's a way to make it work, but I wanted to suggest this alternate approach if the other one isn't possible.
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Inappropriate?But even if FeedDemon merely simplified adding/creating a PostRank feed, wouldn't you still want to see the ranking of each item?
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Inappropriate?One problem with using PostRank to filter the feeds is that you can't easily tweek the filter setting and get instant UI feedback - because you simply wouldn't have the items that were filtered out int he feed.
I would keep feed subscriptions the same and just call seperately for postranks. You pass in item urls we pass pack 1-10 scores.
See:
http://apidocs.postrank.com/PostRank-API
Seems more additive rather than invasive.
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Inappropriate?If it's possible to see the ranking, that would be fine. But it's not critical. When you choose a PostRank filter level you know any items that appear in the feed are above a certain cutoff point. For example, if I want to see only the "better" posts (let's say 6+ on a 1-10 scale), it's not critical to know if an item that appears in the feed is a 7 or an 8. I already know it's a "better" post and I don't have to waste time myself filtering out other posts that are below a 6.
I agree with Jim that this approach is more limiting and offers less instant UI feedback. I think his suggestion is more along the lines of Nick's original approach of querying each individual item for it's score. And as I said earlier, this approach is probably better, assuming there's a way to make it work.
The biggest hurdle that I see with Jim's suggestion is that if FeedDemon is filtering out individual posts based on a PostRank score, it would lead to some sort of mismatch between unread items in FeedDemon and Google Reader because FeedDemon would be ignoring the "hidden" items. Maybe FeedDemon should just automatically mark any hidden items as read?
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Inappropriate?Nick, Richard, I think integrating directly against the PostRank API is the best route to go. As Jim pointed out, having quick visual feedback is important, and overall it requires a minimal amount of integration.
Our Google Reader plugin is actually a very good example of this in action (http://gr.postrank.com). To power that, we don't synchronize the postrank and google reader subscriptions at all - we use the user's existing google reader subscriptions and bring in the postrank data on the fly.
Take a look at this screenshot of the plugin in my account:
http://skitch.com/igrigorik/ng69m/goo...
We expose two options: by default stories below a certain threshold are hidden from view. However, you can also enable a view where the stories below the threshold are lower in opacity -- it comes down to personal preference between the two. Personally, I like the lower opacity version because it still allows me to see the stories, but at the same time, I can quickly skip past them.
In terms of the actual nuts and bolts: all the PostRank data is pulled in real-time as the stories are loaded. We scan for new URL's and then send them directly against our PostRank API (collection of URL's in, a hash-map of urls and their ratings back).
I would _love_ to see this functionality in FeedDemon. I'm obviously biased, but the PR plugin is what keeps me within Google Reader. And in fact, with a native interface integration I think you could deliver a much better experience than what we have with the GR plugin.
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Inappropriate?IIya, I totally agree. Thanks for sharing how it works in Google Reader. Although I knew it existed, I've never actually used the PostRank extension for GR. I like how you can select the filter level with the dropdown above the feed items. I like how it shows the PR score. And I like how you can choose to either hide the filtered items or lower their opacity. It looks like it's integrated perfectly!
I think something very similar to the way it functions in Google Reader would be totally awesome in FeedDemon.
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Awesome. Now all that's left to do is to convince Nick of the same! :-)
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