How do we communicate critical private information using Get Satisfaction?

How do you safely communicate private information between users with Get Satisfaction? Sometimes, for example, we need to log in to a user's wiki, and therefore we need to exchange email addresses or passwords. Lacking the "private messaging" feature used by traditional forums (or the ability to display a registered user's email address only to other registered users), we are forced to publish details in threads where anyone can see them. I know of at least one instance where PBwiki staff had to contact GS staff and have them remove private information from a post by a hapless user, who was not given any other option to communicate that information. I just created a throwaway email address for a post yesterday, and I have already gotten my first piece of spam at that email (which didn't exist before, so obviously spiders are crawling your site looking for this kind of information).

There are also times when I would have preferred to inform someone of a mistake privately, and let them sort it out and save face, rather than post openly about it.

How does Get Satisfaction recommend that we handle this problem? Are there any plans for facilitating private communications between users?
 
sad I’m all for transparency, until it comes to my passwords
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    Hi Guy,
    First off, it's really confusing when you say "we" but you mean "them". As I was reading this it sounded like you wanted PBwiki customers, such as yourself, to see and share private information. We don't have plans for that anytime soon.

    We are, on the other hand, looking at ways for company employees to ask for certain pieces of private data (such as an email address). We'll let you know what we come up with.
     
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  • Guy Fawkes (BANNED!)
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    First off, when I say "we", I mean "the users of PBwiki". We do most of our own support (at least in the PBwiki area of GS). I'm not sure who you think "them" are...

    So, only employees will be empowered to securely communicate with users who need help? I thought part of the idea at GS was to encourage users to help each other with problems, especially in the absence of active company employee participation. I'm not an employee of PBwiki, but I do a fair amount of support on the PBwiki area of GS.

    I thank for your candor in dismissing my concerns. I can at least refer to this post when dealing with this problem over in the PBwiki area of GS.
     
    sad I’m shocked that GS makes such a distinction between mere "users" and company employees.
  • Inappropriate?
    ah, guy. we are trying. allow me to try and clarify:

    we have definitely discussed a private messaging system, both between customers and companies and also between customers and customers, but have not yet put it on the roadmap for product development because from our perspective right now, with our limited internal resources, making the public interactions on the site work better should be priority number one, two, and three. there are a lot of other private messaging functions out there right now; undoubtedly we'll get there eventually, but not anytime too soon.

    that said, we have seen in our system, with quite a bit of frequency, users leaving personal and/or private information that should really only be viewable to companies in their posts, because they have no way to communicate with the company otherwise. and, we see that a number of companies have a need to collect additional types of private information from their customers, very specific to their needs, and often they have to "round-trip" with the customer a couple of times to request that info via email. see, for example, this thread in rescuetime, where the company rep has to request more info via email that we could be collecting for them (privately) on the site:

    http://getsatisfaction.com/rescuetime...

    for rescuetime it's mostly bug reports, but we see this happen for other companies with usernames, account numbers, even credit card numbers. so we're planning to add a feature in the short term for companies to add custom fields to the topic entry form within their company area to collect additional types of data. that's what leslie was trying to say.

    also, guy, something i've been meaning to mention: if you want to discuss any of this (this or any of the other issues you've either called out or contributed to) in more detail than you feel like you can get through get satisfaction, you should give me a call: 415-867-1708. i'd be happy to walk you through where we are as a company, what our plans are for the future (as far as we know them), how we're structured the pbwiki relationship and what we're doing to continually improve it, or any other conversation you'd like to have. we are *very* interested in being open and transparent, but there's a limited amount we can convey within this environment, and sometimes it's just more enlightening to talk on the phone person-to-person.

    that offer also extends to anybody else reading this discussion topic. happy to talk! ask for lane if my wife picks up. :)
     
    happy I’m at 415-867-1708
  • Casey Greene
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    I vaguely remember hearing about this coming up on their roadmap, but I can't find it in their blog, so it must have been somewhere else. Edit - as mentioned above, not on the roadmap yet, I probably remember it being mentioned as a feedback item.

    I think it's a pretty complex problem - having someone's direct email address invites spam and harassment. Allowing private messaging also invites this to some extent, but opens the Notifications can of worms (my favorite) - do they email for PMs? Is emailing for PMs an on/off option? Is it a "yes, if from this user list" option? Are PMs listed on a separate Dashboard, or inboxes?

    And then of course, how do they assure users that if PMs are being used for transmitting private information, their information remains private and secure?

    I know there are a lot of ways to do this, I think most forums have had PMing in some form for years.

    I'm curious to see that if this is something GS is planning to do, what innovative way or ways they come up with.
  • Guy Fawkes (BANNED!)
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    Thanks for the phone number, Lane, but if I have to "eat your dog food", then you do, too. :) If this environment isn't suitable, well, that's ironic. (I'm looking at you, Alanis!)

    You have apparently thought out several use cases, and I wasn't insisting that you deploy PM. That's an example of how others do it. What I am asking is for an answer to "how do GS users, trying to help other GS users, securely communicate sensitive information". Surely you've at least discussed how the GS communities without active company participation will provide support to their fellow users? Contact forms, a place to put my email in my profile, I'm sure there are a lot of ways to do it. I was trying to start a discussion of how to accomplish this goal, not just get a regurgitation of the current roadmap. I'm still amenable to discussing the original topic, if anyone is interested.

    In the interim, I shall continue to use throwaway email addresses to allow users to contact me.

    I'd like to start thinking of GS as helping me support other users, and not as an impediment.
     
    silly I’m probably gonna call anyway
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    i'm totally serious about buying you lunch, for the record. Lane Becker (Official Rep), on April 11, 2008 22:09
  • Inappropriate?
    oh, the environment works fine for me! i just wanted to make sure that if it wasn't working for you for whatever reason, you had another option. and again, that goes for anybody else reading this. hell, if you're ever in SF, i'll take you out to lunch, my treat. come on down!

    that said, now that you've clarified where you're coming from, i think it's a really interesting question, and an excellent point. a per user opt-in "contact me" form is a really interesting idea, as is a craigslist-style "anonymize my email" passthru. we'll definitely discuss. thanks!
     
    silly I’m liking this idea
  • Tom Carroll
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    Really wish there was a way to communicate a bit of private data, such as an email or web meeting URL, to follow up in more detail.
     
    sad I’m sad
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    Tom: We do have plans for something like this. We may simply add a field on our topic-creation page that only company employees can see so customers can add sensitive information like account numbers. We might add that on the company-to-customer side as well, so that companies can do the same. I don't have a timeline for this, but it will undoubtedly be part of our new company tools, which we're building out this summer.
  • Tom Carroll
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    Cool. 2-way would be great. i.e., company rep tells the customer to go to this adobe connect URL so I can see your screen and walk you through the problem.
     
    indifferent I’m feeling better
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