Make an iPhone App so users can map hotspots for you
You guys drive around to map WiFi hotspots. Why not just make a free iPhone App for that. The iPhone already knows where it is and sees the MAC address of the WiFI hotspots. You can save ton of money and have a ton of data provided to you for free in an instant.
I can help you with the user interface ideas for free too.
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I can help you with the user interface ideas for free too.
lantinian@gmail.com
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Thanks for the interest guys! We appreciate it!
Right now I am working with the engineering team to come up with something. We just need to make sure we get reliable data.
I will keep you all posted when I have something to report.
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Inappropriate?YES! I had this same thought when the 3G's GPS was first announced! This is a HUGE untapped resource and I am amazed one does not yet exist.
instead of having a few hundred, at most, drivers that Skyhook is paying for (as well as their rigs) you would have access to a few HUNDRED THOUSAND potential volunteers. I know I would run the app around my common places of work and play. And if you make it somehow competitive or even game-like, I would probably let it run in my cradle on long road trips.
I live in a college town, so every school year access points move with their respective students as they find new housing, this has already scrambled my location awareness on my phone (3G) when I am indoors - more often than not placing me on the wrong side of town. I , and many others I imagine, would gladly contribute to making this technology more up to date on a regular basis.
PLEASE DO THIS!
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Inappropriate?I'm surprised they haven't capitalized on this opportunity also. I wonder if they think not enough people would do it to make the effort worthwhile?
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Inappropriate?it seems like the coding of the app would be reletivly simple compared to the system they've already created. I know I would map every building that I am regularly in because lcation services via gps are sketchy indoors- I have even been placed in the wrong state through cell tower triangulation. Perhaps they don't like see of the legaleese involved?
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Inappropriate?This would be fantastic for those of us outside the US where locations have not been mapped. If it worked on my iPod Touch as well all the better, an application could retrieve the MAC address, it could then be indicated on a map (which has a search feature to narrow down the location) and then hit the submit butoon to update the Skyhook database - rather than teh slower method currently required.
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Inappropriate?Please just don't limit it to the iphone.
I’m sure that the world is more than the iPhone
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Inappropriate?There is an app for the iPhone/touch that records the necessary information. This is called Wififofum. I bought this at the weekend and have been trying it out in Bangkok. GPS is a bit flaky (nothing inside buildings and a bit weak on the bus). Would Skyhook accept such 3rd party data?
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Inappropriate?Thanks for the interest guys! We appreciate it!
Right now I am working with the engineering team to come up with something. We just need to make sure we get reliable data.
I will keep you all posted when I have something to report.
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Just curious, what's the scenario in which you envision unreliable data? GPS's (all of them, AFAIK) provide some kind of quality of fix measure, so in theory couldn't you just establish a minimum fix quality and reject any data that doesn't meet it? I'm not familiar enough with the iPhone's location engine to know if they make enough info available, but any WinMo phone (for example) with a GPS does. -
One concern I could imagine is that you wouldn't want the source iPhone to be moving too quickly when it's taking its wifi samples. Position updates can take a few seconds, as can the wifi scans, and if the phone is moving along at sixty miles per hour as it's scanning, it's possible that the position and scan information could be pretty far out of sync. (It's also possible that I'm talking out of my butt, but I've done enough fooling around with this stuff to make me think it might be a concern.) -
They probably would also have to protect themselves from someone intentionally injecting large amounts of bogus data. I realize that someone can submit bogus data now through Skyhook's web site, but the amount of damage they can do is limited, and I'm sure Skyhook has a way of detecting whether a user submitted position is wildly inaccurate. -
Inappropriate?Great to hear...
I think the quality of data issue may have something to do with allowing non-GPS data as UPS suggested - if users were allowed to manually submit coordinates for a known MAC address through the app, I could see needing a quality control system. Users currently can manually submit coordinates via Skyhook's website, so it's logical that an app would allow for this. Also, it currently takes a motivated person who knows what they are looking for to submit MAC address. With an app, the 'demographic' shall we say, is much broader. I don't want a 12 year old messing with the database any more than Skyhook does. If it's pure GPS, then they cut out the largest user-segment of Skyhook's service; iPod Touch and 1st Gen iPhone users. I also imagine that launching anything with this much user potential generated content needs some server-side lead time.
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I disagree that its logical to have the app allow manual coordinate entry. In fact, I think it's far more likely (and logical) to have an app only submit data on an automated (and, by definition, quality controlled) basis. Manual data entry not only introduces the potential for gross errors (and necessitates a more involved QC program) , it is highly unlikely that any significant number of 1st gen iPhone users would take the time to research their current location to a degree that's accurate enough for Skyhook's purposes. Think about the scenario: a user would have to use some third party mapping program to manually determine their coordinates for a given location, then copy them to the Skyhook mapping app every time they wanted to submit. Even if you trust that they'll be diligent about it, how many people do you think will do that? Very few. I think they'll be far better served by only allowing automated data collection with the QC built in, and those who want to manually submit APs can go to the website as before.
Oh, and I agree with ups that if what is developed is iPhone specific, I'll be pretty disappointed. There's a whole world of phone users out there with GPS and wifi who don't want Apple's paws on their apps... -
These are the concerns we have. We need to have some level of control to ensure we are getting the best data we can. In time we will figure something out. We are open to ideas and it is great to see everyone this interested in us providing ways for you to improve our service. -
Inappropriate?Good points, all.
I personally did not care about this until it became a problem. Whatever MAC address for the area around my house Skyhook had on file had moved across town evidential. so any time I use "current location" to get directions I start off several miles away - at least until I get the GPS lock and refresh the. I have gone to the to the trouble of submitting my WAP to Skyhook and after a few weeks (for QC and dissemination I imagine) the database updated with my actual location.
I imagine this scenario is quite common - WAPs come and go constantly. I think it is absolutely logical to say that the most likely group of users of such an app are the ones without GPS. If I am a user that is totally reliant on Skyhook for location services (1st gen and touch users) I probably want to see the ability to help keep it running right, especially where I live or work - call me a Good Samaritan ;-)
I am probably totally wrong anyway - they might be trying to write algorithms triangulate via signal strength or something to allow for more precision on the lookup end of things- who knows.
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Who knows? You do, you have a good idea about how it works. The updates do take a while because of the amount of data we have. We have the largest database of Wi-Fi access points. We have broke the hundred million mark (100,000,000) This takes a while to process and update. -
Wifi is only part of the Skyhook package. Their "XPS" purports to use wifi, cell tower triangulation and GPS combined to give the fastest time to fix and highest availability possible for devices with any combination of the three radios. I'm not positive, but I bet 2nd gen iPhones still use Skyhook in that manner to assist - if they don't they're missing out.
Also, I'm pretty sure Skyhook does use signal strength information to triangulate a more accurate fix when multiple APs are seen. Regardless, in a device that only uses Skyhook's WPS (1st gen iPhones) there has to be substantial involvement by the user to manually map the data. I suppose an app that tied the devices wifi radio in to an application interface like the "submit your AP" page on their site would at least get you all you needed in one place (basically you point out your location on a map and the software takes a wifi snapshot and uploads). That would be slick for devices without GPS, and not much more likely to result in erroneous data than the web page is. -
Inappropriate?There is such an app in WiFiFoFum. I wrote directly to Skyhook (twice) as Thailand is crying out for someone to map these locations and had no reply. I have the data; I just want someone to use it.
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you should contact me via email, support at skyhookwireless.com -
Inappropriate?Note to Shane Martz, I just sent email to Support, marked for your attention. Thanks.
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Inappropriate?Is there any talks of this? or did this drop off the map? location service provides accuracy data! This shouldn't be very difficult. Speed can also be calculated. So set it up so the accuracy must be up to a certain point and that the speed of the unit has to be under a certain speed then submit the data. Even if you only submit the wifi your currently on I am okay with that. I want to submit my Universities wifi but they have so many MAC addresses I can't. So I want an app so I can walk around the campus with it on. (outside that is so I get GPS) Set up a point system kind of like folding @ home. This way you get people a little motivated to run the app. I think you can even make it a web interface! Calgary is so out of date its crazy. I am willing to be a short term driver if you want. So either hire someone in calgary or get the app out. Please. :)
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Inappropriate?I'd be happy to lend a hand as well... I've been geolocating for a while now and have built a few interesting iPhone web apps using the CodeIgniter PHP framework with a little bit jQuery..
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