how about a HIGHER quality? Broadcast Wave?
do you intend to make it capable of recording in broadcast wave? Although its used for scratch ideas, the idea of using MP3 as the format doesn't sit so well with me, since a lot of scratch ideas I write end up getting used in final versions....but i LOVE the way the program works....any thoughts on if this will be a part of it soon?
Thanks for having this open discussion about your product. This is certainly going to be a trend for the future of technology.
Thanks for having this open discussion about your product. This is certainly going to be a trend for the future of technology.
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Inappropriate?TapeDeck doesn't currently support BWF. We'll look into it and see if it makes sense for the product, but at the moment we have no plans for lossless recording formats.
We figured that the people who need megabit encodings (WAV, AIFF, etc) are using high-end recording tools and wouldn't be interested in TapeDeck, but it sounds like there's a niche of users like you who want the convenience of TapeDeck without compromising on fidelity.
It's certainly easier for us to introduce a "very high quality" that simply increases the AAC bitrate. Would 256 kbps be enough for you?
(PS: In case there's any confusion, TapeDeck uses only MP4-AAC; it does not support MP3.)
I’m intrigued by the idea
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Inappropriate?Well here's some perspective for you, and what I would believe to be quite a niche for your product.
I am a professional engineer, and I spend anywhere from 12-20+ hours a day recording music, some of it being my own, some of it being for hire, and some of it being other people's music. At the end of the day, I am still a creative person for myself, but in many situations, the hassle of getting a multitrack recording software is so unappealing that I still use an actual tape recorder for getting song ideas. But organizing tapes in my life is just too much, so I obviously do it on the computer. But by the time I've opened pro tools, setup a track, etc etc, I would have rather have had the tape recorder already done it.
The beautiful thing about this app is that its small and lightweight and I can just have it up all the time, it creates a new tape for me, and I can come back to it later, no hassle at all.
But as I said, if it were just recording uncompressed, I could later build on that demo in a pro app if I wanted to. I generally do those sorts of things with Peak at this point, but it doesn't offer the organizational tool that you offer, not to mention the pure childhood kitsch and fun. Not to mention the fast forward and rewind ACTUALLY WORK LIKE A REAL TAPE DECK! You could even have it correlate to an iTunes Playlist, and then you can burn CD's directly without having to integrate it into your program, saving you development time.
Here's my main point. Your product is amazing and I am in love with it, but I am an audiophile and I refuse to record precious song ideas in a compressed format for many reasons. I can guarantee you that MANY users in the market for something like this would agree with me. If i were to turn a songwriter onto this program and he catches an amazing late nite recording of a great song and its recorded in a compressed format, its not quite going to work as well if i want to pull it into a session as if it was just a wav. I understand that most of your potential market probably doesn't care, but why shut out people who would could use it in different ways? You could make it a feature that required an actual need to record in wav...for instance, in the prefs, having a check box or something of that nature. That way the default would be AAC and only if you actually needed to would you record to WAV. The low/med/high settings could correlate to different bit depth and sample rates, therefore making it a high end recorder as well. I can't imagine since you're using core audio that this would require a total rewrite of your codebase....but, I'm also a musician. I know absolutely nothing about code :)
In closing, I think there is an opportunity being missed by not allowing this simple feature to exist.
I would love to discuss this further with you, if you'd like to contact me outside of this forum (which I think is brilliant, btw), please email me at mokas@casanovastudios.com
I hope you decide to get in touch with me as I'd like to bounce a couple of ideas off of you. Congrats to your new product....hope to be able to use it soon!
I’m excited that i get to talk to the people who make this and they actually care what i have to say!
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I completely agree. I was planning to use TapeDeck for recording demos, until I found out that it doesn't have a lossless audio option. The highest fidelity option should be equal to whatever GarageBand's highest fidelity option is. -
I'm an audio production major at the Art Institute of Atlanta, as well as a recording engineer. I second what the first guy said. WAV support would really make this a tool that could be used by professional audio people. I'm already looking forward to using the lossy codecs to record class lectures on my macbook when I get it, but for song ideas, and even practice sessions, lossy won't cut it. you'd be suprised how many scratch recordings of guitar and vocal make it into the national release, because the first playthrough on that scratch disk had the most emotion. I don't have much to offer to inspire you to include WAV support, but if you're a beer drinker, I could promise you a box case of your brand!! -
Yes Please, do a lossless system
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Inappropriate?by the way you have the greatest company name ever. you inspire the ridiculous geek in me
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Inappropriate?Tommy,
Totally uncompressed formats are so passé! Wouldn't ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec) be a nice feature instead? ;)
We've been struggling with a good way to incorporate even higher quality recordings into TapeDeck, though sticking with MP4-compatible ones (like ALAC) is ideal because of the existing plumbing within the application.
Glad you enjoy the company name. I picked it when I was younger and more in touch with my groovy self...
I’m glad someone appreciates my smugness
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Uncompressed formats are actually specified by the AES and other concerned organizations as the best log term storage option for digitized audio. I'm a professional recording engineer, and the only thing keeping me from buying TapeDeck is that it doesn't support uncompressed recording. Compression--even lossless--isn't as appealing today as it was years ago when online (hard disk) storage was so expensive.
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I will buy TapeDeck the day it includes lossless audio. -
I will buy TapeDeck the day it includes lossless audio. -
Inappropriate?You know, I think I could deal with Apple Lossless.....I mean, its not like I LOVE buying tons of hard drives! If that would make it something you'd implement soon I could deal...:) Please do keep me posted though, I won't be able to use it for anything serious till then. I'll be glad to provide any feedback for your development purposes.
I’m ok with lossless!
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I could happily live with Apple Lossless. But I'd want the higher bitrate and bitwidth (24/96) 'cos what I'm doing is digitising my LPs. There are a number of other products out there which seem to do the high quality (Audio Recorder works and is free; Sound Studio also lets you insert track markers und so weiter). But that's just my interests - I don't know how many more folk would be interested. -
Inappropriate?I too am a professional engineer.
I would love to use tape deck to record live shows, no need to set up my protools rig and no need to keep my fingers crossed against crashes (ever tried mixing with crossed fingers ?)
But I too would need an uncompressed format so I can master in protools.
I’m looking forward to the punters oggling your beautiful GUI !
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Inappropriate?I too, love this idea. Infact, when I found it, my first thought was "Someone got there first" (I had been discussing a similar idea with a friend of mine who knows how to develop software).
I too would not be able to consider it seriously without Uncompressed audio, since I often use the demo as the starting point, and then use it in the final mix.
I’m excited about what this app might become
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Inappropriate?yep, i'd echo the above comments, i'm also an audio engineer who uses various high end tools such as Pro Tools & Wavelab. Tapedeck is a great simple recording program that can be used in conjunction with these other programs. It currently is suitable for voice recording, but high quality music recording needs a lossless format.
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Inappropriate?I'm about to buy tapedeck and it would really be useful to have an uncompressed format available, as pointed out by everyone above.
so, by supporting the developers, I hope they can include this feature that would make this a killer app. is that a deal, guys? :-)
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Inappropriate?For anyone that's still following this question, you'll be glad to hear that raw recordings are the main addition for 1.3. If you want a sneak peak at what we have so far, please see my post about the beta for instructions on signing up:
http://www.supermegaultragroovy.com/b...
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Inappropriate?Chris, this is great news about version 1.3 and lossless - which has been the only reason I haven't bought tapedeck already. Hearing this, I kinda want to download and start having some fun with it right away, though, so my question is, will 1.3 be a free update or should I hold off buying 1.2?
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Inappropriate?My company-wide policy is generally that only major versions are paid upgrades, with some "slop factor" thrown in to make exceptions for folks that purchased just before a major version ships.
Major versions are x.0 releases, minor are x.1, x.2, and maintenance are x.1.1, x.1.2, ...just to clear up any potential confusion.
So, in short, yes—if you buy TapeDeck 1.2 (and if you bought TapeDeck 1.0), you're getting 1.3 for free. -
Inappropriate?excellent - I'll get over to the download page right now, then, thank you.
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