Adult Group Support
As you may know Ning is is no longer supporting adult sites/networks on
their platform. My question is do you support adult sites and how much more supportive will you be? I have looked in to other social networks the main one being Neeetz.
their platform. My question is do you support adult sites and how much more supportive will you be? I have looked in to other social networks the main one being Neeetz.
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Inappropriate?Hi Digital Creator,
We do indeed allow Adult sites on SocialGO.However, we will not allow adult sites on our free service and all adults sites must remove all SocialGO branding and references by taking a white label option and by using your own url. And of course all adult sites must confirm to the law.
Hope this answers your question...
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Inappropriate?does anyone know where i can buy a domain name for an adult network? and how do i purchase the white label option? how do i go premium?
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Inappropriate?Hi dickbush,
You can purchase a domain name from a number of sites. Do a search on google and compare what each has to offer. There are some companies that are specifically devoted to adult sites such as http://www.vexxx.com. As far as purchasing the white label option, we will be providing a price plan shortly. In the meantime you can start setting up your network for free... -
Inappropriate?Hello ! I don't find where to buy the white label option...please help me ! ;-)
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Inappropriate?Hi,
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Inappropriate?Great ! Thanks for the answer !
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Inappropriate?Ok - this seems reasonable on the surface, but please could you answer a few queries.
\"There are some companies that are specifically devoted to adult sites such as http://www.vexxx.com.\"
vexxx.com is down currently. Also, I would anticipate most adult group creators would require anonymous domain registration. This is around $40-60 per year.
\"As far as purchasing the white label option, we will be providing a price plan shortly. In the meantime you can start setting up your network for free...\"
So let me get this right - the network and login will be 'socialgo free'? Does this mean that a former ning network will have to change at least three times - ie adultnet.ning.com - adultnet.socialgo.com - adultnet.com? It's a bit much to keep asking the members to accept changes in the domian name, never mind all the referring sites. Will the socialgo network address cease to work on White Label networks?
Can you give us an idea of how much per month this will be?
Put simply, I like the socialgo network, but I moved from ning on the understanding that socialgo accepted legal adult networks and that it was free. Now I find this isn't true - I'll have to pay a premium for a domain name, and have to take on per month hosting costs with social go. Hardly a seemless and free migration from ning and to be quite honest it's becoming to much of an effort and too expensive. -
Inappropriate?@nolongernewtothis...
Your questions are exactly on point and a package summary is now being prepared for release... hang in there shortly for the full details.
The price and package are designed to provide adult social networks with a safe harbour and place to flourish... but this requires an effort on YOUR part as well to help build this environment.
There ARE too many folks who might otherwise ruin it for the rest of you... by flogging the free services or mixing adult in with the non-adult. As such, the new and comprehensive package and plan will provide you or any network with a "one-stop" way to create and monetize your site so that the cost of the same would be offset or even result in a generous net profit. You will also have the security of knowing that your site is being built in a place that will not be subject to attack by those with conflicting interests.
There are plenty of places to host "free" adult content. But that is not the goal, because "free" allows for abuse in the wild world of the Internet. Instead, for Adult Sites, the goal is to provide a mainstream and powerful Social Networking platform that can allow serious and responsible adult site owners to have features, security, and power that are otherwise not available... and at a price point that is a tremendous value for what is delivered.
The built-in tools and features of the adult package will allow such sites to not only monetize their content and members, but likely to turn a tidy net profit each month as well.
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How will adult network creators be able to 'monetize' their content? Currently, the only billing option that I see built in to Socialgo is PayPal, which does NOT allow their members to collect payments for adult content. Will there be another billing option from an adult friendly payment provider? -
Yes...
take a peek over at our Magazine (Blog) at http://widgetlaboratory.com or search our our comments here at GetSatisfaction for more ideas... including our Project X.
SocialGO will be releasing their details on the adult sites any day now... maybe as early as tomorrow. -
This looks very promising! I'm anxiously awaiting the release of the Adult Package! -
Inappropriate?Well sorry, but I only moved because the startup page said it offered free hosting and allowed adult sites. Now the policy has changed (surprise surprise after a massive movement of adult sites to socialgo). I feel duped and it smacks of blatant profiteering so I for one will be moving elsewhere.
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Inappropriate?@NoLongerNewToThis:
We will be sorry to see you go... actually, not really.
You see, your post indicates quite clearly that you are part of the \"problem\" and not part of the \"solution\". And you know as well as anyone that you are not moving back to Ning, because they won't have you. Further, your argument falls apart when you claim that that someone is LYING, without any quote anywhere that shows you were promised FREE ADULT NETWORKS.
SocialGO has always maintained that that it will have a free solution for non-adult sites, and it will, but it has NEVER published any official pricing plan ANYWHERE nor has it indicated what the price would be for ADULT networks. The fact that you are mistaken on this point is clearly the reason that you are the type of client who is not worth the trouble of inviting to the party. You will likely kick and scream about how bad SocialGO is... but then end up right back here in a month to host your network. You just decided what you wanted to decide, heard what you wanted to hear, and now you're upset that you got it wrong.
Over the course of handling hundreds of thousands of members on thousands of sites at Ning, we have come to understand exactly what makes a success on Social Network sites. Two rules: First is the fact that you cannot please all the people all the time. Second, is that those people who want EVERYTHING for free are the ones who will cry and complain the loudest when they don't get what they want, even if they were never promised any such thing. Your posting today is the example that proves the rule.
SocialGO has a business model that is based on offering multiple tiers of service to non-adult networks, and one paid tier of service for adult networks. There ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET for adult social networks that will compare in features, price, or service to SocialGO. All other social network platforms are using Google Adsense for revenue, and now they have to capitulate to Google's \"sanitizing\" of adult content. If you do not believe that having a turn-key adult soclal network is worth a certain amount per month, that can be recouped by way of the built-in monetization and subscription tools, then you will not find any other solution short of hosting it yourself at an exponentially-higher cost.
WidgetLaboratory has thousands of SocialGO site owners as clients, and many of these are adult content networks. The majority of these clients have all confirmed that they would gladly pay a reasonable sum monthly for the security, certainty, and service that would come from having all their needs met. More importantly, they all unanimously agree that they would PREFER that SocialGO not attract an enormous quantity of FREE sites that both take up bandwidth and support staff effort. With less effort and resources spent on those who are not paying their own way, the higher-quality adult sites are thereby able to receive a greater share... instead of it being diluted to those who ride for free.
It is clear to anyone with their eyes open that this is the mistake the NING and all the other sites have made. They thought that they could give away the milk for free to anyone who came along. What they didn't count on was the fact that it only takes one bad apple out of a hundred to TAKE THEM DOWN with misuse or abuse of their bandwidth, storage, content, or customer service. Unfortunately for Ning, they did not plan for this in advance, and it has now cost all of their QUALITY CUSTOMERS greatly in lost time, effort, changes of TOS, or worse. You CANNOT MONETIZE ADULT SITES with Google Adsense. This is a fact.
Our job working with SocialGO is to advise them as to how to provide the BEST SERVICE AND PRODUCT possible, while helping them steer clear of people and issues that will cause them to crash the ship on the iceberg like Ning or others before them. WidgetLaboratory has advised them that payment of a reasonable monthly service fee (by a registered site owner) IS THE FILTER that will help to make it possible for all other adult sites to operate in a mainstream environment. IF you do not wish to pay a reasonable monthly fee for a reasonable adult network solution, then you are NOT the type of customer that should be using SocialGO.
You have my PERSONAL INVITATION to reconsider your position, take a breath, and WAIT until the adult network pricing plan is announced. Until then, have fun finding a better solution, and feel free to come back here and share it with us when you find it.
EG
WidgetLaboratory
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Bravo, Bravo and BRAVO. Exactly what I'm looking for: a smart & experienced social network team, fair/win-win business model and effective, always-on technological platform!! -
I could not agree with you more EG, Ning should have adopted this concept long ago when they started receiving so many DMCA take down requests on their 'free' adult networks. It's unfortunate that one bad apple spoils the entire cart! I think charging for the service might help avoid such calamities here. An owner with an investment at stake is more likely to make better decisions on allowed content! Brilliant work in the Lab, I love all your products and your astute knowledge of how this industry works! Keep up the good work! -
Inappropriate?N0 - I wouldn't have bothered to set anything up had the blurb not promised free adult networks, which it clearly did.
The juvenile response above from socialgo only reenforces my beliefs about the motives of this organisation and does nothing to promote confidence re discretion and privacy for users. After all, would you trust an organisation who rants like a 10 year old in the playground when confronted with a few home truths?! Really, posts like that don't exactly help the socialgo cause do they? -
I can attest to the fact that free was never offered in the context you *assume* was explicit; it was not (and I was watching to see if this was the case for months, just in case the policy changed, and prior to the adult-NC bonfire that was Ning). The tone of your letter required a clear, strong clarification from SoGo and you got it. Trust, privacy and clarity are inherent in any web service, so the recommendation is: sign up, create your network with the tools (free!), and when the time comes to review the fee schedule/pricing justify their tiered service or not. Many SaaS businesses are like that: Salesforce.com, for an example that comes to mind - even Twitter is going to eventually announce its tiered pricing (just wait and see). So yes, the reply does help the SoGo cause, to ensure that NC understand the possible & responsible from the incredible & unreasonable. Any and all rants aside, if & how you use SoGo is *your* choice - or not. -
Inappropriate?Quite apart from that, how can you reasonably expect people to pay for a site which patently doesn't deliver any quality of service?
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Inappropriate?@nolongernewtothis
Please post a link or screen capture where it shows that Adult Sites will be provided with a FREE solution.
My response is from WidgetLaboratory, NOT SocialGO. We have extensive experience dealing with posts such as yours and will not hesitate to correct false postings with the facts.
The only thing that is \"juvenile\" is for you to have posted a comment that is not based on FACT and then to whine that your erroneous belief has not been met.
If you are so sincerely \"concerned\" about the welfare of SocialGO, then why don't you share with us the URL to your sites on Ning and SocialGO so that we can judge for ourselves the quality of your network and how badly you have been effected by all the LYING that is going on around here?
Common sense dictates that you neither have a legitimate network, nor do you care. There is nothing that is binding you to stick around at SocialGO and continue to post here if you are not satisfied.... yet you seem to have more interest in trying to warn others away than you do in getting down to building a network or having specific issues or problems addressed.
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Inappropriate?Clearly, as previously stated you have changed your terms of service. Thousands of ning users on free accounts migrating to the same level of service on socialgo can't be wrong.
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Inappropriate?http://www.socialgo.com/free-premium.htm
Perhaps you should read your own blurb, and then add your new terms and conditions re adult sites.
It would breach trading standards in the uk BTW, by advertising a free service and them making no mention of disclaimers or special provisions until after the sign-up stage. -
Inappropriate?Ok, so, please show us where that says 'FREE ADULT' sites? And please feel free to quote any Terms of Service that indicates that Adult sites will be given free hosting?
There has yet to be any official release or posting regarding pricing for adult sites.
You're speaking to an attorney, so thanks for the legal advice.... too bad it is not factual.
THAT is why you are getting the response you are receiving...
WHEN you are ready to take a breath, have a discussion based on facts, and share your site URL's and how you have been effected... then we can start again. Otherwise, you're simply trying to spread disinformation. -
Inappropriate?'Attorney' is an American term. In the UK, where socialgo is based that would be a solicitor. I reiterate my advice regarding UK Trading Standard Law.
'Affected', not 'effected.'
I would advise you to check your previous posts in this forum with regard to pricing suggestions. I strongly suggest you redact your previous remark.
My site on ning is [link removed]
Your site which contains no information regarding fees for adult sites is here: http://www.socialgo.com/free-premium.htm
I also have a site on socialgo which intend to delete but have been unable to do so since the socialgo admin site has been down all evening.
I welcome you comments, which have been dugg and added to google and which will serve to better inform the social networking community. -
Inappropriate?Updated responses here. http://owners.socialgo.com/forum/topi...
Very concerned about socialgo policies now since they have stated their business plan revolves around deeming all adult related sites to be moneymaking subscription based porn operations. This is especially worrying for UK users since socialgo is hosted in the UK, and subject to UK law. I have instructed socialgo to remove my site immediately to protect the safety and identities of my network members and myself. -
Inappropriate?You are remarkable.
First, your link to GetSatisfaction shows that no employee of SocialGO ever made any price claims regarding adult networks;
Second, SocialGO has not made any claims or posted any information as to the details of the adult network package, such as where it is hosted, whether it will be distinct from the regular networks, or how much it will cost.
Third, you've posted all sorts of NIGHTMARE SCENARIOS designed to scare the hell out of anyone foolish enough to listen to you. None of which has any basis in reality;
YET, despite all these FACTS... you've spent over two HOURS and dozens of posts spouting out ALL THE REASONS why people should be afraid of SocialGO and FLEE!!!!
You sir, are the one who is doing YOURSELF a disservice due to your multiple mistatements. No one else is buying into your "Chicken Little" game...
Either quietly wait until the facts are in, or run along. Your behavior will not be tolerated without rebuttal.
Thank you also for explaining the difference between an attorney and a solicitor. I must have been sleeping that day they handed me a law degree and license to practice. Likewise, here in the states, we like to go with the dictionary use of "effected". You might have "realised" this fact by now since we've said a dozen times we are from WidgetLaboratory not SocialGO.
Very ironic indeed that someone who (presumably) has a social network about electrical stimulation to the genitals is worried about bringing down the wrath of the law upon others because SocialGO intends to have an adult-only product line available... ?
I will make sure to recommend to the team at SocialGO that your SocialGO sites be immediately deleted, per your written request. -
Inappropriate?The above post has been posted twice and previously responded to.
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Inappropriate?I ask one simple question and look what happens. I got more of an answer that I expected. I will say this... I won't have a problem paying a reasonable monthly price to have my network here on Social Go. I only wish that Ning would have came up with that solution. I don't care if Social Go is based in London. Ning is based in the U.S. and not willing to work with it's own people all because Google said foul. Freedom of speech... yeah right. Now, all this other arguing back and forth isn't needed. If 'nolongernewtothis' feels like this ain't the place to hold his network then please move on. And I too would like to have the URL of the site that is far better than this one. Believe me, I have searched, emailed, and talk to other social networks and they all have said they WILL NOT WELCOME ADULT SITES. Futher more all of their TOS state that they do not allow pornography or adult content. Mr. Evil Genius... thanks for all your help.
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?I just feel SocialGo changed their mind about allowing adult networks for free on their platform when they knew ning did the same thing.
If it was on your mind not to allow adult content for free, then you should have stated that from the very first time and not wait until now to say it, when many of us have migrated our ning sites to here.
http://getsatisfaction.com/socialgo/t...
Alex never said in that first question that it was not to free. He said it was allowed, and we all assumed it was for free. Suspectly, ning still allowed adult content for free by that time. Was socialgo just throwing stones to ning by promising a better service for free even for the adult network creators? I suspect so... Just when ning decided not to support adult sites anymore, did socialgo the same thing, but with a difference: they do allow it, paying for it... no longer for free...
I am not asking for a free service, as I can understand your concern about the abuse and everything. But if you would have said that from the very beginning, I would have save a lot of time...
Perhaps when I can, I would pay an 'allegedly' reasonable price... now I can only delete my network... once again, we were deceived and something that widgetlaboratory claimed to ning is exactly what socialgo is now doing...
I’m disapointed
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Inappropriate?Lonngann,
your points are well said, and respectfully worded. Thank you for your tone ;-)
Though it may be of little consolation, you have acknowledged that Alex nor SocialGO ever said that adult sites would be "free", rather it was assumed.
This is likely the crux of the issue.
Ning's actions were completely independent, of course. SocialGO is their competitor, and WidgetLaboratory is the intermediary that is helping SocialGO to succeed where Ning has failed. To wit: Creating a UNIQUE and never-before attempted social network option for adult content creators that will not be encumbered or harmed by the influence of 3rd parties such as Google.
With our extensive experience in helping adult site creators, WidgetLaboratory has advised SocialGO that building a network for adult sites requires a registered and responsible site owner, paying a monthly bill. This is the most logical and practical way to ensure that the network does not get abused in all the ways that Ning discovered for themselves, albeit too late.
There are literally thousands and thousands of wonderful niche networks out there who have been turned out into the streets by Ning's need to please Google... they had no choice. SocialGO, was able to offer a "lifeline" if you will, to these sites, and even better, a unique chance to do it correctly the second-time. With the extra tools, features, and security of knowing that a special "adult only" network is being created... these sites can get on with making money or satisfying the needs of their member base.
Relative to the cost of going it alone. As of today, there simply are NO other options available to have adult content social network sites for free. We have an idea on how to change that, and to likewise demonstrate a completely new business model (actually "old school" business model) for social networking. That is... people PAY to receive a reasonable product, and this product helps them to MAKE more money than it costs. Ironically, before Web 2.0 and Palo Alto "buy my startup fever" took over... people were using this business model for thousands of years!
At the end of the day, please consider whether you would even have any options at all if SocialGO was not offering an adult network package. If your answer is "no"... then perhaps you might reconsider whether it even matters that you and some others made an incorrect assumption. This is still so "early" in the whole process that it seems rather harsh to draw major conclusions... Ning only kicked you guys off last week, and SocialGO hasn't even finished BETA.
Wait until the formal pricing announcement has been made. I assure you that when one measures out the total value of the package and features, and compares them with the exponentially greater cost of trying to do this on your own, and further considers that there are NO other free options... the result will be that you will feel that this is a good deal and a fair proposition.
Thanks for your consideration,
EG
WidgetLaboratory
I’m glad that this customer is open-minded ;-)
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I have just replied to another pissed off member. No-one seriously expects adult networks to be free. and the last thing I want is dozens of competitor adverts all over my page. I already pay over £200 a year in hosting fees for my main site which I accept and necessary. That is over 50,000 pages, of course,and not all adult themed. I am happy to pay a reasonable charge for Socialgo. I await the announcement with interest. -
Inappropriate?ignore the whingers. Everyone who has ever seriously been running adult networks realises that they cannot be run for free. The disc space and bandwith volumes are ten times any other theme of network because of the size of pics and videos. I shall remain with SocialGO and, as long as the cost is not prohibitive, pay the premium required ON THE CONDITION that the service becomes better than it has been this last week. If charging a premium deters hundreds of amateurs clogging up the works, thus giving me a better upload facility, I am all for it.
I was glad to leave Ning, upon reflection, because their server was so clogged with crap that I got really fed up with that line in my status bar - \"waiting for Ning\". I don't want this replaced by \"waiting for socialgo\". -
Inappropriate?The ending argument and point for nolongernewtothis is that even thought socialgo allows you to create an adult base network they dont want nothing to do with it. thats why they require you to take all socialgo branding off of your adult base network. Socialgo is not based on whether google or any other wrecked compay have to say about them. They want to provide good service to there users but if it involves something like an adult base network then they step back and try to provide there services to the best of there abilities but with out there name being involved.
Like this they give you good quality networks but not involving socialgo.
Socialgo features are no where near nings features.
I my self think they are 10x better and there is time and space for improvement.
But if you go to any other white lable social network creator you wont like some of there features.
In other works they all have something that the other doesnt have.
And like you said no other network creator sites dont want adult base networks then deal with the resources you have.
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?If you are not an employee of SocialGo, then shouldn't you leave the responses to someone that is?
You are being non-productive.
I'm not quite understanding the reasons behind your obvious hostility towards him. Please let a real SocialGo Developer answer that. Thanks.
There are plenty of Ning people here that were under the same impression as \"nolongernewtothis\" and we would like an answer from SocialGo, not Other Network Owners.
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LM, thank you for your opinion and comment. However, perhaps you might understand better if you understood two things:
1) That this person posted in more than four different locations over a four hour period, at least two dozen disparaging remarks about SocialGO that were all completely false and beyond any normal sphere of opinion by a customer. In other words, they were designed to spread false information;
2) That as we've stated, WidgetLaboratory is under contract with SocialGO to advise them, build products, and help with managing customer expectations and marketing. That is precisely the role we fill when we manage TROLLS who act in the manner as this very "ungentlemanly" individual.
WidgetLaboratory speaks with complete FIRST PERSON authority, even without being employees of SocialGO. We are directly involved with creating the very adult package that is to be released shortly.
I hope this helps to clarify your understanding, and furthermore to reinforce the fact that we are in fact being "quite" productive when we seek to keep this forum and others free from TROLLS who would otherwise prevent you and other Ning site owners from ever learning the FACTS, rather than falsehoods.
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Inappropriate?Unlike some others, I am trying to run my sites and networks in an acceptable, professional manner. No, SocialGO does not have a fraction of the facilities of Ning. However, I am hoping that their new option will be a superior product.
Lee
I’m amused
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Just wondering has anyone tried setting up a site at Multiply.com?
I had 3 networks on Ning. I've since set up a site here on Socialgo, but
also set one up on Multiply, and am a premium user.. and they allow ADULT CONTENT..
Multiply functions very well...and have not had any of the problems
that i find on socialgo beta... I have a adult group at Multiply.
I like socialgo, but find too many problems with the way the site functions.
picture uploading, video uploading, Logging in problems, missing site content. Maybe when socialgo gets out of beta, it will improve..
The premium service at multiply is less then $20.00 a year. and you can also have the FREE Service too. Another words you dont have to use the Premium service and still maintain a adult site there.
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Inappropriate?whats the answer
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Regarding terms of service on Multiply.com
read the section elgibility..
Please be aware that Multiply may create certain clearly-labeled areas of the Service that contain adult or mature content. You must be eighteen (18) years of age or older to access and view such areas. Multiply reserves the right to cancel the account of any user under the age of eighteen (18) that attempts to access the adult-restricted areas.">
i've had content on Multiply since 2003 and never had any problems.. and i know other adult related sites on multiply that also been there for a few years. -
Nah, Multiply does NOT allow adult content. Here's the relevant quote from their site (below the area that you quoted)
SNIP ....
The following is a partial list of the kind of Content that is illegal or prohibited on the Web site. Multiply reserves the right to investigate and take appropriate legal action in its sole discretion against anyone who violates this provision including, without limitation, removing the offending communication from the Multiply site and terminating the membership of such violators and reporting you to law enforcement authorities. It includes Content that:
* is patently offensive to the online community, such as Content that promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;
* displays pornographic or sexually explicit material of any kind;
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Well there is over 8,370 ADULT GROUPS on multiply.com right now.
with a 18 year old limit. on those groups. and those groups are Private groups. like mine is...below is a list from multiply search on the ADULT SITES on Multiply right NOW.
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well i would never develop on a platform that says one thing then does another. Also I couldn't find anything that would be considered porn. Adult yes, but some safe sex sites are considered adult. -
Multiply does seem to have a double standard... here's more details from them on how it works (seems like a quicksand policy?)
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yeah existing adult sites are ok. sengorel, i would not want 10,000 ning adult sites to come flooding there and then multiply deletes you. I would keep it to yourself ; [ -
Inappropriate?i want to know about this also
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Inappropriate?@alcapone
Answer to what please?
If you mean the original question, then the answer is that YES, there will be an official announcement shortly of the complete Adult Content package for SocialGO.
The details of this package will be forthcoming, but be assured that it will provide a very reasonable package of features and support that are specially designed for adult site owners, and will indeed require a reasonable monthly payment.... but shall also include monetization tools and support as will allow responsible site owners to generate a net monthly profit from their sites, free from concern over removal or interference by 3rd parties such as Google.
There shall likely be a distinct package for non-adult SocialGO sites (as previous suggested), and this will likely include certain options for free service during a particular time period, to enable anyone to gain experience with the platform tools and features. -
Inappropriate?ok i got it eg... i need to get my own domain how do i do that? can i get it from sg
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Inappropriate?Domain names can be purchased at daddygo - got it.
Somewhere someone mentioned this: "How will adult network creators be able to 'monetize' their content? Currently, the only billing option that I see built in to Socialgo is PayPal, which does NOT allow their members to collect payments for adult content. Will there be another billing option from an adult friendly payment provider?" - Any updates regarding this? Will there be another billing option?
I’m excited to start a group at SoGo
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Inappropriate?Hi DickBush (love the way "that" sounds...!)
Couple hints of things to come...
1) Ability to aggregate content and sell specific photo and video access and not others;
2) Communication products for adult sites that allow for dating/meeting/trading for a micro-payment;
3) Barter Exchange and Virtual Currency;
and more...
Don't sweat PayPal... they are not the intended method to be used for member billing on Adult Sites... there are other options, of course.
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Inappropriate?Hehe. You should see how "it" looks! *evil grin*
Thanks for getting back to me so soon!
1) Sounds really good! Makes for whole new possibilities and plans.
2) Micro-payment?
3) Again.. What?
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Inappropriate?In general, these features and accessories will make it possible to conduct small, easy, and fast transactions between yourself and between site members. Could be everything from dating to selling photos or videos of oneself. There can also be marketplaces that sell or trade services or physical goods (toys, etc.), all from within your adult social network. With barter and virtual currency, you can have members trade or acquire virtual currency for the value of their own special good or service, and then use that value to purchase other goods or services, without having to do it directly one to one (your site becomes a trusted third-party intermediary).
PayPal is not the only fish in the sea... and even they have no objection to the use of their payment system for software purchases, etc. We see no reason why anyone should be concerned with the "method" we create.. only that it works well for their own needs and allows them to monetize their site.
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Inappropriate?Thanks for all the reassurance EG, I'm beginning to feel a little better about it, and am anxious to see the plan. I'll stay posted!
Jaq
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?Ok.. After reading through the comments I do see that SocialGo will be charging for the Adult Networks. I have to admit that I do think it was somewhat misleading that they didn't make that clear and post that from the get go, but I understand the reasoning and the fact that they will be one of the only places that will host an adult network. Because of that, I don't mind paying a fee, but I do hope it is reasonable.
As a social network creator, the plan was to build a place users can be open and free and to post their own content, whether it be adult or not. A place users can network, make friends, share content. When I see some of the highlighted features and the phrase from EG, "monetize their content and members, but likely to turn a tidy net profit each month as well.", I do get slightly turned off.
My goal is to create a social network, not a porn site. I'm not looking to make money. I am looking for a place where my users can gather, share their thoughts and comments, chat, have fun and share content that may or may not be of an adult nature.
I hope SocialGo will keep network creators like myself in mind and really have a reasonable package, I was planning to pay for the premium service anyway, I'm just hoping that the adult white label doesn't turn into a cost like $100+ a month.
I’m concerned
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Inappropriate?Hi Shy,
thank you for your thoughts and insights...
It is certainly a challenge to meet the needs and wants of so many diverse interest groups when it comes to adult content... and to do it in a way that can be both practical for the network creator as well as profitable for the platform host (SocialGO). WidgetLaboratory has had the benefit and experience of working with thousands of 18+ network creators, and we are bringing this experience to SocialGO to develop the new platform offerings.
There will be nothing to prevent you or anyone else who has non-graphical content from utilizing the non-adult offerings of SocialGO to build and run your network. The distinction of where and when one must utilize the 18+ side of things has been outlined previously on GetSatisfaction by Tom and Oscar. Primarily this has to do with the graphic and visual content, and the nature of the response such content might be intended to evoke in the membership. There will not be "punishment" for going over the line, simply the need for a site owner to be converted over to the 18+ side should their site get to that stage at some point.
The cost of the 18+ side will actually be LESS on a per-megabyte basis than that of the regular service, and will be bundled with certain 18+ only features that will make it truly EASY for network creators such as yourself to have a safe, secure home to create or host your own niche content. However, since 18+ sites always utilize greater storage and bandwidth (due to the quantity of video and photos), the overall package cost of the 18+ bundle will be greater than the basic premium service.
We are in fact trying to pave new paths here for network creators such as yourself. In order to do this, SocialGo is being brave and bold enough to not take Ads from Google and shove them in your face, not follow the failed "freemium" model Web 2.0, and not treat 18+ site owners like they are committing some "moral crime" just for being adults or discussing mature content or topics.
In order to achieve this goal, the business model that must be pursued is one that is reasonably profitable from the start for the platform, so that it can be sustained and even improve in features and performance. We can assure you that, when compared with any other offerings on the internet, the package of features and ease of use will still beat everything else hands-down.
You need not charge your members anything to recoup the costs of running an 18+ site, but MOST network creators such as yourself are highly concerned with how they can run their sites at a net profit ... rather than paying out of their own pockets each month. We make no bones about being "all about the money" at WidgetLaboratory. However, just because we show you how to make money, and provide you the tools, does not mean that you personally have to give-up your own altruistic nature. You can always give away the milk for free... ;-)
Thanks for your interest, and we look forward to helping you get where you want to be with social networking!
EG
WidgetLaboratory
I’m optimistic that you will enjoy the 18+ SocialGO offerings
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Thanks EG! I do look foward to SocialGo's services. Plus those of WidgetLaboratory, which has been a great help in making my networks more enjoyable for my members in the past. I'm now a bit more optimistic :)
As someone who plans on paying this cost without charging members a price, this is really important to me! I was hoping Ning would roll out more of a bundle package when I was looking to pay for services, hearing that SocialGo may do this has me very happy. -
Inappropriate?The arguments are good on both sides but I would still like to know where do we stand as adult sites? I have built mine but I would like to know what am I looking at price wise. At least a ball park. Much like everyone else here my site is FREE I don't make money. I am sharing movies and flurts. So before I am well into it I'd like to know will this be a monthly or yearly? I understand the package is not together yet but give us an idea so we can know if we should keep building or stop. I'm a believer that \"free is not free\" so I was looking for something but again let us know a ballpark figure. Thanks.
Also Evil Genius its been a while how you been?
ay I hope all that stuff I bought on Widget Laboratory
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Hi Lawless...good to see you again too!
We know this has been hard on all Adult Site owners, but remember that the 18+ social networking situation is a lot like politics. Your frustration comes from the incumbent president Bush (Ning) and not the incoming president-elect Obama (SocialGO). Even though you are READY FOR CHANGE ... the new administration needs a little bit of "ramp-up" time to ensure that you get what you really NEED and WANT after what the outgoing administration did to help create the mess that you feel you are in.
For our part, WidgetLaboratory has some MAJOR tricks up its sleeve on the 18+ concept... something that no one has ever tried before. All hands are on deck and we will be releasing some promotional and demo teasers shortly to show you what we have cooking... -
Inappropriate?We will be releasing the price plan really soon guys... keep an eye on the SocialGO Blog which is where it will first be published... www.socialgo.com/blog
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I don't see anything in the blog yet... I thought we would have some info about an adult package by the first of the year. What gives? Any updates? -
Inappropriate?EG...
You put that in a way that I think we can all understand (Bush/Obama). When I asked this question 13 days ago I didn't think this topic would get so much response. I already had gotten my answer right away from Oscar but, you added more light to the answer and then more on top of that. Thanks for all you do.
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Inappropriate?This is whats considered Internet etiquette bad practices. I work in the adult industry. What I see is the same stuff that other sites have tried to pull because there is no real regualtions on policy proceedures. A site can tell you one thing and then do what they want because they put that little clause in about changing pricing and policies as they see fit. So, once a person busts their butts to bring in the traffic, that the Site is getting a higher rank in search engines for, and becomes a domain that 'looks' profitable, they tend to begin charging and changing their policies as "they see fit".
I can see chanrging for additional bandwidth usage, charging for a domain name, charging for upgraded features ( just as wordpress or any other blog does ) Thats Professional practices. Unfortunately, at this time there are no restrctions to Webmaster Internet abuse. I'm trying to change that. Being coaxed into creating a 'free' account , especially at a time when Ning was making their changes, makes for a better opportunity for those Site owners to seize the opportunity as they see fit. Sneaky.
If you offer the availibility to create a non-adult and adult network 'free', then a site should be responsible enough to provide details on charges to the adult sites created , for future reference and make aware the choices.
I'm not going to o all the work for you, when i have to pay for it. I have PSO's that wouldnt pay me to advetise their listings, if I was making some money off theri calls too.
So, I'm leaving my network alone, removing my content. This is a ridiculous practice. Once the adult sites bring in more traffic for socialgo, then what? the same as Ning? Ask for a payment only to tell you 30 days prior to removal that your network is being removed because advertisers who dont even advertise on the adult sites, don't like it?
I already figured it out that once they have all the traffic that you bring, they try to make it so that you dont have enough time to recreate and bring your followers with you. Sounds almost like a scam.
I'm through with it, and as soon as I can get my social network going with the other men and ladies in the industry, because we know what practical and fair business practices are, we shall see who susseeds and whom is left making 'changes' in order to keep their internet surfers happy.
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Inappropriate?@Alexis,
Your logic is missing some key factual details:
1) SocialGO hasn't left Beta and hasn't published any pricing or ever promised "free" to adult sites;
2) Ning's business model was based on using subdomains and building traffic for Adsense revenue... SocialGO's is not (so your entire traffic logic is misplaced because more traffic is a COST to them with no BENEFIT)
3) Practices Schmactices..... who are you arguing to exactly? There was never any completion of the testing, yet you are already "fed up" with their changes in business practices for things that haven't even been conceived of or finalized yet due to the unexpected influx of new adult customers;
4) Neither NING nor any other Web 2.0 company wants to take the adult customers, but SocialGO has decided to be different and build a completely new concept and opportunity for adult site owners, while recognizing that this cannot operate as it has before as a FREEMIUM model. There has to be a reasonable cost paid, which can then be distributed to the site members at a potential net profit to the site owner.
YOU have complete FREEDOM to do whatever you wish. No one is holding your hand to the flame or forcing you to start a network at SocialGO. NING kicked all adult sites off their platform, and SocialGO offered an alternative solution to those who are open minded and have (had) no other choice ... that is NOT the same as SocialGO "coaxing" you into creating a free account with some ulterior motive.
The adult industry itself is changing, and you will find that there are NOT any free alternatives for anyone in the adult social networking arena. Everyone has realized that the advertising model is a FAIL. Feel free to drop us all a link when you (and the men and ladies in the industry) find that someone IS offering a free social networking platform for graphical adult content sites... we'd all love to know the details.
We hope you reconsider the facts, but if not... thanks for dropping by. Good luck to you.
I’m exhausted from all the whining and complaining from those who do not want to read or think before they post...
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Inappropriate?I have reason to believe that evil genius is making this situation bigger. NOT HELPING AT ALL. Just let it go and move on
I’m happy but not at evil genius
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Inappropriate?@GossipFreak....
Your unsolicited negative opinions regarding WidgetLaboratory are historically well-known, and you have been expressing them since the Ning days back in 2007. After you were proven to have been as wrong as wrong can be about Ning, S4N, and WidgetLaboratory, you have brought your dog and pony show over to SocialGO.
You have no standing or information to speak on any of the subjects referenced above, but you do anyway.
WidgetLaboratory is directly involved in creating and instituting the adult products, pricing, and policies for SocialGO. We therefore speak with authority and knowledge, and are in a position to cause modifications or changes should there be any good feedback or information regarding the same.
You have no such authority, and your comment above serves no useful purpose.
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Inappropriate?Evil Genius,
You obviously dont get the point. Your purpose here is to help and move on. Not argue with other users.
FYI i have nothing to do with S4N or WidgetLaboratory. There is no way i have a well known history with widgetlaboratory for just ONE comment i made about your pricing. That comment was neither negative or positive.
Having the right to comment any post on here gives me more than just the authority to comment on whatever i have to say.
My comment was to you and the post you are putting on here.
And yet again your still not helping solve the problem on this Topic.
Oh! and like i said before. LET IT GO AND MOVE ON!!!
I’m still happy no matter what evil genius says!
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Inappropriate?Hello guys,
I'm very happy to have found a new place to continue my adult network, let that be said. But I am very anxious to get on with my network, and make it even bigger than it was at Ning.
Obviously, without the promised new features this is not possible. SocialGo does not yet have the user-friendliness that Ning had (drag-and-drop, etc.) when creating and maintaining my network. Can anyone tell me when this will be introduced? We've all been waiting for quite a while now. Ning has now officially closed all adult-oriented networks!
Also, I'm rather curious to find out what the whole adult plan entails. I want to know about the future of my network! I don't mean to sound impatient, but what's the hold up? I realize you guys have a lot of work to do, but I'm ready alright! The drag-and-drop feature, for example, could have been implemented already, could it not? I mean, if Ning has the technology, surely you guys at WL have it, too?!
Please keep me updated! Thanks!
- Dick
I’m curious
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Hi Dickbush,
the D&D layout manager was already underway and "almost there" when the influx of Ning refugees occurred.
Now that the server issues seem to be fully under control, the SocialGO team is back to their focus on plugging this into the system.
While we wish we had direct control over implementing the feature, it has to be "plugged-in" from the SocialGO side.
We've had extensive talks on this topic and believe that you will get a direct summary of the entire network status any day now from SocialGO. When that occurs, along with the full pricing details that they've chosen, then the LAB will be authorized to discuss further details.
We're sorry that it sounds so mysterious, given how outspoken we typically are about our own creations... but this is based primarily on the fact that such a large and unknown number of sites, with such a huge amount of data and bandwidth, were integrated in such a short time. It literally took "all hands on deck" at SocialGO for the better part of the last couple weeks. Each time they had it under control, the use grew exponentially and they continued to pour on more hardware and optimizations until they finally "turned the corner" on Wednesday to Thursday.
Hang in there and you should see some dramatic improvements, as well as more detailed information from the top coming your way shortly...
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Inappropriate?Thanks Evil Genius for putting it all in perspective. I will be waiting like a teenager with his first Hustler for the pricing schedule. Now if you will all excuse me, this scintiilating reading has given me a need to put on an Amsterdam Glow.
Thanks again
Drugs Bunny
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