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CD Rip / Burn Support
How do i rip a CD onto my ipod in songbird?
or can songbird not do it yet..
or can songbird not do it yet..
I’m hoping it will be implemented soon if so
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G'day FireS. Umm, I'm not sure what you mean..
Because they released a 1.4 preview that can rip CD's, and do lookups. The only reason you need to install itunes first to do CD ripping in the preview release of 1.4 is because the Gearworks library needs to be installed, and the installer currently doesn't include it (but it should within a week).
Also, the official 1.4 release apparently wont even come with MP3 support (because it needs licensing, you'll need to get that separately), and apparently the implementation that comes with many versions of windows only supports up to 56kbps. Some companies may re-brand songbird though and include MP3 by default.
It comes with ogg, flac and WMA support, and the system is modular, so you can use addons to add more later, INCLUDING MP3 ;)
However, CD ripping apparently wont be available on release for Linux (the library they are using supports linux, but there are rumours they want to focus on features first before they get to CD ripping support for linux, which is probably based on feedback from surveys). Also, CD burning isn't available yet I think (although, once again, Gearworks supports it, it just needs to be hooked into the program). Not sure whats happening there..
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Songbird doesn't implement CD ripping yet. There aren't any immediate plans to add ripping support. It will probably end up as an addon at some point. Sorry :(
Take a look at our roadmap to see what we're planning to get done in the next few months: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Roadmap
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Inappropriate?In my view, CD Ripping is a "nice to have", but CD Burning is a "must have".
Reason:
I use smart playlists a LOT. When I'm going on a trip, or putting together a compilation for someone too computer illiterate to deal with mp3s (which is really very frequently), I use smart searches to build a quick custom playlist and burn that to CD for use in the car.
I hardly ever RIP from CDs, though I must admit that when I do, its really handy to be able to do it from my application that manages my music and not to hop between 3 or 4.
I'm really happy to see this idea getting attention. Thank you! I've been promoting Songbird to a lot of my friends and there are a lot more people keeping an eye on this feature that would seem evident from the replies on this thread.
Cheers for the hard work guys!
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Inappropriate?Please, we need change this topic's Subject to
"CD Rip"
and put the discuss to "CD Burning" to another topic.
I created this topic to our friends that only CD burning .
http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/t...
See you all on there.
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Inappropriate?G'day,
Just an update. It looks like CD-ripping for OSX has just landed in 1.5/Trunk builds of Songbird, and so should be available on release of 1.5 (unless serious issues are discovered).
Also, Linux CD ripping support is targeted for Led Zeppelin (1.5). The relevant bug report is 17839. Obviously there are no promises, but the bug has been assigned to someone, and it appears they are actively working on it, so it looks like that there is a good chance that it will be available in the next 4 months ;)
So from 1.4.0, Windows will have full CD Ripping support (to FLAC/OGG/WMA), and from 1.5.0, it appears that there is a VERY good chance that Linux and OSX will have full support too.
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Inappropriate?"So from 1.4.0, Windows will have full CD Ripping support (to FLAC/OGG/WMA)."
So why no ripping into the mp3 format? Its by far the most popular format, and I thought the patent had expired.
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No, the patent is still valid. But maybe Songbird would accept external encoders (such lame), so MP3 support can be added easily.
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Inappropriate?mp3 support is essential because (1) all mp3 players play mp3, and (2) almost all mp3 players do not play FLAC/OGG (and I avoid WMA because it's proprietary Microsoft!?).
From wikipedia:
patent holders declined to enforce license fees on free and open source decoders
More:
Many organizations have claimed ownership of patents related to MP3 decoding or encoding. These claims have led to a number of legal threats and actions from a variety of sources, resulting in uncertainty about which patents must be licensed in order to create MP3 products without committing patent infringement in countries that allow software patents.
The various MP3-related patents expire on dates ranging from 2007 to 2017 in the U.S.[37] The initial near-complete MPEG-1 standard (parts 1,2,3) was publicly available in December 6, 1991 as ISO CD 11172.[38][39] In the United States, patents cannot claim inventions that were already publicly disclosed by the inventor more than a year prior to the filing date, but for patents filed prior to June 8, 1995, submarine patents made it possible to extend the effective lifetime of a patent through application extensions. Patents filed for anything disclosed in ISO CD 11172 more than a year after its publication are questionable; if only the known MP3 patents filed by December 1992 are considered MP3 decoding may be patent free in the US by December of 2012.[40]
Thomson Consumer Electronics claims to control MP3 licensing of the Layer 3 patents in many countries, including the United States, Japan, Canada and EU countries.[41] Thomson has been actively enforcing these patents.[citation needed]
MP3 license revenues generated about €100 million for the Fraunhofer Society in 2005.[42]
In September 1998, the Fraunhofer Institute sent a letter to several developers of MP3 software stating that a license was required to "distribute and/or sell decoders and/or encoders". The letter claimed that unlicensed products "infringe the patent rights of Fraunhofer and Thomson. To make, sell and/or distribute products using the [MPEG Layer-3] standard and thus our patents, you need to obtain a license under these patents from us."[43]
However, there exist both free and/or proprietary alternatives, with free formats such as Vorbis, AAC, and others. Microsoft's usage of its own proprietary Windows Media format allows it to avoid licensing issues associated with these patents by avoiding usage of the MP3 format entirely. Until the key patents expire, unlicensed encoders and players could be infringing in countries where the patents are valid.
In spite of the patent restrictions, the perpetuation of the MP3 format continues. The reasons for this appear to be the network effects caused by:
* familiarity with the format,
* the large quantity of music now available in the MP3 format,
* the wide variety of existing software and hardware that takes advantage of the file format,
* the lack of DRM restrictions, which makes MP3 files easy to edit, copy and play in different portable digital players (Samsung, Apple, Creative, etc.),
* the majority of home users not knowing or not caring about the patents' controversy and often not considering such legal issues when choosing their music format for personal use.
Additionally, patent holders declined to enforce license fees on free and open source decoders, which allows many free MP3 decoders to develop.[44] Thus, while patent fees have been an issue for companies that attempt to use MP3, they have not meaningfully impacted users, which allows the format to grow in popularity.
Red more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Lice...
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Well, that's true and I agree with you. On the other side it is impossible to ship a free (opensource) SW with MP3 encoding support in US. The company has to find out a workaround for this issue. I believe the workaround will be an addon distributed from other country then US and with the disclaimer about illegality of using it in there.
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Inappropriate?G'day,
Actually, Songbird supports the use of codecs (it uses a slightly patched version of Gstreamer, so someone just needs to compile a copy of a gstreamer MP3 encoding codec for Songbird, maybe modify it a bit, and add it to the addons section). So a 3rd party MP3 encoder isn't out of the question. In fact, if Songbird REALLY starts to take off, we may even see Songbird codec packs.
I could be wrong, but I also believe that they were looking into using the codecs included with windows for encoding (because then you are already licenced to use them), but last I heard, they only allowed 56kbit max, which is useless. Not sure what's happening with that, but maybe the situation has gotten slightly better
Either way, I think there are 3 things to remember:
1) The Audio/Video HTML5 tags when utilised will be an instant boost to Ogg/Flac.
2) There are more and more portable media players supporting Ogg/Flac every day.
3) The future of MP3 players aren't actually MP3 players, but smartphones. And the great thing about smartphones is that a good smartphone should let you add new codecs. Unless you like carrying a mobile phone and Mp3 player around?
I certainly agree Mp3 support would be nice, but I think AAC/M4A would be enough to eliminate the need to do so. The licensing terms for AAC might be better too..
Anyway, despite all that, Mp3 support would be nice, but if its going to cost Songbird money, I'd rather leave it to the community to release extensions, or companies rebranding Songbird.12 Comments Add a comment
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But ACTUALLY mp3 is vital !
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G'day,
I thought so initially too.. However, are you actually aware of any portable media players that don't support WMA, Ogg or Flac?
Because for me, I rip all my CD's as FLAC (lossless) anyway, and then, I don't really care which format Songbird transcodes the music for my media player as, provided it can support it.
The iPods are the only ones I can think of, and AAC would be my preferred format for those.. And as mentioned, the AAC licencing may be better too, and doable by Songbird.. -
Wouldn't this pose a problem for getting an MP3 encoder on Windows, with their been no recent complied version of Gstreamer for Windows? I had a look at trying to compile Gstreamer but I didn't have much luck! Im surprised that no one has come up with a brief guide of compiling codecs in Gstreamer! If someone on the team could help make a small guide maybe the community would be able to put together a few codec add-ons :)
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2) There are more and more portable media players supporting Ogg/Flac every day.
Agreed! Android supports Ogg right out of the box. There already are million, but will be millions more smartphone out there supporting Ogg in the not to distant future.
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2) There are more and more portable media players supporting Ogg/Flac every day.
Agreed! Android supports Ogg right out of the box. There already are millions, but there will be millions more smartphones on the market supporting Ogg in the not to distant future. Another reason to buy an Android powered smartphone. -
@Andrew Luecke: Actually, I can. The device I use as a player—a Roland Edirol R-09HR—only supports WAV and MP3, and only well-formed MP3s at that (tiny hiccups in the file structure give it hives).
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Intriguing.. However, I guess the question then is, should POTI cough up thousands of dollars for a handful of people? Would WAV support be a good enough option?
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Looking at the gst-plugins folder there is already a "gstwavenc.dll" so that must be capable of encoding to Wav... It just needs an encoding profile
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WAV support would be usable, but ridiculously huge compared to MP3. I'm also thinking about getting an iPod Touch, but would still like MP3s rather than AAC. I'll probably have to stick with iTunes, Windows Media Player, and other third-party apps because of the patents.
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Actually, MP3's had patents on them before it was ubiquitous..
Either way, it doesn't prohibit Songbird from having a plugin, someone else can still make a plugin. Its legality would be under question, but certainly possible -
I'm sure they did; anyone who comes up with something useful (or even not) wants to patent it and get all the rights that come with that. But should the U.S. or WTO (or other organization) perhaps pass an amendment to patent law that invalidates patents on formats used by a large percentage (say, 95%) of the population?
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If somebody comes with a very good idea and everybody starts using it, that shouldn't be any reason to cancel his patent. The problems I see in current law are following:
1) Patents were made to protect inventors and thus speed up inventions. Now big companies use patents to slow down technical progress.
2) The patent law is old, with current speed of progress the patent law allows for people or companies to hold their patents for too long. Patents should expire much sooner.
3) You can patent anything and it's up to the other side to prove that your patent is invalid. I think the patent owner should prove that his patent is valid.
4) You can patent SW algorithms or business models. Such things should be impossible to patent.
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Inappropriate?I was thinking that too ethanjim.. Maybe a SDK type thing.. Specifically for codec support.
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Inappropriate?Yeah it would be good, Ive actually managed to compile Gstreamer + Ugly, Good & Bad Plugins (I have the Lame encoder gstreamer Dlls which i would love to use for mp3 encoding) just don't really know what to do from there though...
On the subject of CD ripping you may not have noticed that theres a Mac CD ripping pluggin on the nightly builds! -
Inappropriate?Missing something ... someone said ripping was supported in 1.4 release - i'm running 1.2 off a fresh download; did a check for updates and was told there's no update available. i want to import a cd into my library not rip. what is the real current version of sonbird, and does it support import of a cd??? tia ...2 Comments Add a comment
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Current version is 1.2, but they have a beta version of 1.4 (they skipped 1.3) with ripping support. Not sure I understand the difference between importing a CD vs. ripping. Do you mean you want to import as WAV files, instead of converting to OGG or FLAC?
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Current version is 1.2, but they have a beta version of 1.4 (they skipped 1.3) with ripping support. Not sure I understand the difference between importing a CD vs. ripping. Do you mean you want to import as WAV files, instead of converting to OGG or FLAC?
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Inappropriate?Ripping is importing PLUS converting into (usually) mp3 format. We NEED mp3 import/ripping.
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