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CD Rip / Burn Support
How do i rip a CD onto my ipod in songbird?
or can songbird not do it yet..
or can songbird not do it yet..
I’m hoping it will be implemented soon if so
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G'day FireS. Umm, I'm not sure what you mean..
Because they released a 1.4 preview that can rip CD's, and do lookups. The only reason you need to install itunes first to do CD ripping in the preview release of 1.4 is because the Gearworks library needs to be installed, and the installer currently doesn't include it (but it should within a week).
Also, the official 1.4 release apparently wont even come with MP3 support (because it needs licensing, you'll need to get that separately), and apparently the implementation that comes with many versions of windows only supports up to 56kbps. Some companies may re-brand songbird though and include MP3 by default.
It comes with ogg, flac and WMA support, and the system is modular, so you can use addons to add more later, INCLUDING MP3 ;)
However, CD ripping apparently wont be available on release for Linux (the library they are using supports linux, but there are rumours they want to focus on features first before they get to CD ripping support for linux, which is probably based on feedback from surveys). Also, CD burning isn't available yet I think (although, once again, Gearworks supports it, it just needs to be hooked into the program). Not sure whats happening there..
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Songbird doesn't implement CD ripping yet. There aren't any immediate plans to add ripping support. It will probably end up as an addon at some point. Sorry :(
Take a look at our roadmap to see what we're planning to get done in the next few months: http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Roadmap
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Inappropriate?G'day,
Actually, Songbird supports the use of codecs (it uses a slightly patched version of Gstreamer, so someone just needs to compile a copy of a gstreamer MP3 encoding codec for Songbird, maybe modify it a bit, and add it to the addons section). So a 3rd party MP3 encoder isn't out of the question. In fact, if Songbird REALLY starts to take off, we may even see Songbird codec packs.
I could be wrong, but I also believe that they were looking into using the codecs included with windows for encoding (because then you are already licenced to use them), but last I heard, they only allowed 56kbit max, which is useless. Not sure what's happening with that, but maybe the situation has gotten slightly better
Either way, I think there are 3 things to remember:
1) The Audio/Video HTML5 tags when utilised will be an instant boost to Ogg/Flac.
2) There are more and more portable media players supporting Ogg/Flac every day.
3) The future of MP3 players aren't actually MP3 players, but smartphones. And the great thing about smartphones is that a good smartphone should let you add new codecs. Unless you like carrying a mobile phone and Mp3 player around?
I certainly agree Mp3 support would be nice, but I think AAC/M4A would be enough to eliminate the need to do so. The licensing terms for AAC might be better too..
Anyway, despite all that, Mp3 support would be nice, but if its going to cost Songbird money, I'd rather leave it to the community to release extensions, or companies rebranding Songbird.12 Comments Add a comment
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G'day,
I thought so initially too.. However, are you actually aware of any portable media players that don't support WMA, Ogg or Flac?
Because for me, I rip all my CD's as FLAC (lossless) anyway, and then, I don't really care which format Songbird transcodes the music for my media player as, provided it can support it.
The iPods are the only ones I can think of, and AAC would be my preferred format for those.. And as mentioned, the AAC licencing may be better too, and doable by Songbird.. -
Wouldn't this pose a problem for getting an MP3 encoder on Windows, with their been no recent complied version of Gstreamer for Windows? I had a look at trying to compile Gstreamer but I didn't have much luck! Im surprised that no one has come up with a brief guide of compiling codecs in Gstreamer! If someone on the team could help make a small guide maybe the community would be able to put together a few codec add-ons :)
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2) There are more and more portable media players supporting Ogg/Flac every day.
Agreed! Android supports Ogg right out of the box. There already are million, but will be millions more smartphone out there supporting Ogg in the not to distant future.
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2) There are more and more portable media players supporting Ogg/Flac every day.
Agreed! Android supports Ogg right out of the box. There already are millions, but there will be millions more smartphones on the market supporting Ogg in the not to distant future. Another reason to buy an Android powered smartphone. -
@Andrew Luecke: Actually, I can. The device I use as a player—a Roland Edirol R-09HR—only supports WAV and MP3, and only well-formed MP3s at that (tiny hiccups in the file structure give it hives).
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Intriguing.. However, I guess the question then is, should POTI cough up thousands of dollars for a handful of people? Would WAV support be a good enough option?
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Looking at the gst-plugins folder there is already a "gstwavenc.dll" so that must be capable of encoding to Wav... It just needs an encoding profile
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WAV support would be usable, but ridiculously huge compared to MP3. I'm also thinking about getting an iPod Touch, but would still like MP3s rather than AAC. I'll probably have to stick with iTunes, Windows Media Player, and other third-party apps because of the patents.
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Actually, MP3's had patents on them before it was ubiquitous..
Either way, it doesn't prohibit Songbird from having a plugin, someone else can still make a plugin. Its legality would be under question, but certainly possible -
I'm sure they did; anyone who comes up with something useful (or even not) wants to patent it and get all the rights that come with that. But should the U.S. or WTO (or other organization) perhaps pass an amendment to patent law that invalidates patents on formats used by a large percentage (say, 95%) of the population?
I'm trying to come up with something that maybe I could turn into a motion for some as-yet-undetermined organization to consider. -
If somebody comes with a very good idea and everybody starts using it, that shouldn't be any reason to cancel his patent. The problems I see in current law are following:
1) Patents were made to protect inventors and thus speed up inventions. Now big companies use patents to slow down technical progress.
2) The patent law is old, with current speed of progress the patent law allows for people or companies to hold their patents for too long. Patents should expire much sooner.
3) You can patent anything and it's up to the other side to prove that your patent is invalid. I think the patent owner should prove that his patent is valid.
4) You can patent SW algorithms or business models. Such things should be impossible to patent.
This only applies to U.S. Most other countries have much better patent law, but there is a very strong push from global companies to change the law. There have been many attempts to introduce SW patents in EU. -
Inappropriate?I was thinking that too ethanjim.. Maybe a SDK type thing.. Specifically for codec support.
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Inappropriate?Yeah it would be good, Ive actually managed to compile Gstreamer + Ugly, Good & Bad Plugins (I have the Lame encoder gstreamer Dlls which i would love to use for mp3 encoding) just don't really know what to do from there though...
On the subject of CD ripping you may not have noticed that theres a Mac CD ripping pluggin on the nightly builds! -
Inappropriate?Missing something ... someone said ripping was supported in 1.4 release - i'm running 1.2 off a fresh download; did a check for updates and was told there's no update available. i want to import a cd into my library not rip. what is the real current version of sonbird, and does it support import of a cd??? tia ...2 Comments Add a comment
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Current version is 1.2, but they have a beta version of 1.4 (they skipped 1.3) with ripping support. Not sure I understand the difference between importing a CD vs. ripping. Do you mean you want to import as WAV files, instead of converting to OGG or FLAC?
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Current version is 1.2, but they have a beta version of 1.4 (they skipped 1.3) with ripping support. Not sure I understand the difference between importing a CD vs. ripping. Do you mean you want to import as WAV files, instead of converting to OGG or FLAC?
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Inappropriate?Ripping is importing PLUS converting into (usually) mp3 format. We NEED mp3 import/ripping.
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Inappropriate?OK, actually read the whole thread now <g>:
=> no way songbird ever goes anywhere without 2 things: 1) mp3 support, and 2) ipod support -- that's just simple market force
=> if they can work the legal end, then full and open ripping to mp3 is a no brainer. someone mentioned "thousands of dollars" ... not sure what that represents, but 4-5k for full mp3 rights should be a slam dunk.
=> if all these things happen, then sb gives itunes a real run for the money
=> no doubt - ripping is a necessary feature for sb, whether it comes as an "add on" or not
=> devs should work to make file format a transparent thing to the novice user
=> finally, it's almost a stretch to say that you support ripping -- if the industry standard file format is not supported, call it "ripping-mp3 not supported"
=> i'd be interested to know if the mac support for ripping mentioned above means support for mp3???
=> doesn't look good for ripping, songbird, and us win-doze guys... hate the thought of going back to itunes</g>
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Actually, that's an interesting question - how much would it cost to implement an mp3 rip (I don't actually want it, as I prefer FLAC, but...) - I imagine if there were a 'give to the mp3 codec' page, money could be raised for it....
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Inappropriate?I just downloaded songbird and i tried to import one of my cd's onto my library. It hasn't allowed me to do so, so i was wondering if there is any way that i would be able to put one of my cd's onto songbird.
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
I can't import cd's onto Songbird..
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aj,
if you're on a windows machine, you can download the songbird 1.4 beta and install the CD ripping add on. that sounds great until you find out:
1) you cannot rip cd's to mp3 files
2) it is very slow
Read this whole thread for details: bottom line, you can rip to WMA (proprietary win-doze), FLAC, or something I thought was a creature on Star Wars but apparently is a file format, called Ogg Vorbis. In short, we're stuck. -
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if you're on a windows machine, you can download the songbird 1.4 beta and install the CD ripping add on. that sounds great until you find out:
1) you cannot rip cd's to mp3 files
2) it is very slow
Read this whole thread for details: bottom line, you can rip to WMA (proprietary win-doze), FLAC, or something I thought was a creature on Star Wars but apparently is a file format, called Ogg Vorbis. In short, we're stuck. -
Actually, you may use extensions to allow other encoding formats.
Unfortunately, whilst there aren't any encoding plugins available yet, I'd expect some (including MP3) to start popping up after the final release of 1.4. -
Andrew, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that an extension (aka add on) will likely be developed, that, once installed, will allow the sb ripping to write to mp3?
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Andrew, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that an extension (aka add on) will likely be developed, that, once installed, will allow the sb ripping to write to mp3?
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G'day, Actually, transcoding formats can be easily extended using recompiled gstreamer plugins and the same plugins should also extend transcoding formats available to devices.
I don't see any reason why someone who needs it, wont recompile one of the existing MP3 encoders available for gstreamer, to work on Songbird (on Linux, doing so is probably effortless. Maybe a bit harder on windows though).
But, I guess it comes down to finding people who need MP3 support to do it, because I personally rip everything to FLAC these days. -
Inappropriate?Oh for god's sake, everyone in earth nowadays embeds LAME, at least every single free/oss project.
Stop crippling your product due to FUD and just include a compiled version of LAME with it.
If you're too "concerned" about the patent issue (at this point it's more like, do you totally lack the balls to take risks this small), just ask the user if they want MP3 support, have them agree to the LGPL LAME is released under, and automatically download a LAME build.
Why do such small matters turn out to be a big deal for "true" open source people?
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Really? Ubuntu, OpenSolaris,. Fedora, etc, the list goes on for companies who don't even support opening MP3's files by default... Programs such as Audacity and foobar don't ship with LAME either, and you need to go download it as an extra. The only free players I can find that do, are Nullsofts/AOL's Winamp (who probably have a special licensing agreement) and iTunes on Windows (and they recover the costs by selling iPods and music). Neither are open source though, simply free
Not sure where your "facts" are coming from, because I am having serious difficulty finding any open source program at all which ships with MP3 encoding. Yes they come with support to do so, but you still need to download LAME anyway (and none seem to make that process as streamlined as it should be).
You also forget that Songbird uses Gstreamer, so there is nothing special about its extensions, whereas, with players such as foobar, encoding plugins are probably handled in a custom way (it probably isn't rocket science for songbird, as users simply need to compile an gstreamer MP3 encoding plugin, and dump it in the directory, with little coding knowledge required).
It would probably be MORE work to code a half baked plugin that lets you choose where LAME is, then simply compile an existing lame encoder designed for Gstreamer. So at the end of the day, if users need to download something anyway, it might as well be a proper codec.
Also, there is no reason why POTI couldn't link to it in the wiki (and maybe even under addons with a warning), so that users who require it can easily find it!
If POTI does it though without licensing, they would be setting themselves for an epic payout to the patent holders (despite the fact that a large number of people might not even use it).
I think when more of POTI's plans about working with other companies and such is revealed, the need for official MP3 encoding will seem less significant anyway. I'd like to see MP3 encoding eventually included by default, but once I throw away my iPod anyway and switch to android, I honestly will no longer have any use for it. -
Inappropriate?Please always remember that by FAR the most users use Windows, and not Linux, so whatever Ubuntu, OpenSolaris,. Fedora, etc. do is virtually irrelevant if we are interested in providing a useful music player to as many people as possible.
Also, most users don't have an (expensive) (and rare) Android mobile phone.
e.g., I have a simple business non GUI mobile phone and can only afford an inexpensive (25 €) Creative ZEN V mp3 player.
Therefore, if there is a legal technical solution to including mp3 ripping, it should without a doubt be pursued with great vigor!
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