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Multiple libraries and tagging - Or how we'll learn to manage too much info
I have around 11k+ audio files and it so happens that a few of them are Christmas/Holiday related (even people who hate Christmas like A Charlie Brown's Christmas). Now, these are a part of my total "Library" and I really don't use playlists but prefer to jump around my library manually or use shuffle.
However, it's July, and I'm not into the whole Christmas in July thing, so I would like to not hear these songs periodically from a complete shuffle, but why should I remove these tracks to avoid that or use playslists when it's practically replicating my complete "Library".
There should be some sort of option to ignore groups from automatic play in the Library or filter out music by category.
Going the genre route rather than ignore has some unwanted side effects, so before making a formal suggestion, I'd like to see some input for a feature (presuming I haven't missed an apparently undocumented one). I would like to show the issues that arise with genre sorting which leads me towards a ignore function via tagging:
1. I use FLAC files for anything I can get from a hard source(i.e. orig cd). They use OGG Vorbis comments by default instead of the ID3 tagging system. There's no clean way for multiple genre at least as of yet. This leads to #2.
2. Multiple genre would be necessary for several scenarios. Enter "Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas". We have a Soundtrack, with Jazz songs, and Christmas/Holiday songs.
3. I'm having some people over and want to play random music but no Christmas music or explicit music either. Now we have a scenario that simple genre sorting wouldn't accomplish in the first place. If I tagged my music already, this could be a simple process.
Maybe a new tagging system that wholly covers the issues that have come up over the years of digital music that has yet to exist mainstream is the issue. Current implementations vary and vary in quality. Supporting multiple media formats thwarts any attempt at a universal option to solve this, so it seem to be that a tagging system explicit to Songbird is the best conceivable option.
There's even an option to tag this post as tagging seems to be everywhere in this Web 2.0 world we're aiming for, so it seems a worthy thing to work towards. It's a decent solution to sorting info that we've been lacking for a long time.
The community and devs thoughts?
Doom0r
However, it's July, and I'm not into the whole Christmas in July thing, so I would like to not hear these songs periodically from a complete shuffle, but why should I remove these tracks to avoid that or use playslists when it's practically replicating my complete "Library".
There should be some sort of option to ignore groups from automatic play in the Library or filter out music by category.
Going the genre route rather than ignore has some unwanted side effects, so before making a formal suggestion, I'd like to see some input for a feature (presuming I haven't missed an apparently undocumented one). I would like to show the issues that arise with genre sorting which leads me towards a ignore function via tagging:
1. I use FLAC files for anything I can get from a hard source(i.e. orig cd). They use OGG Vorbis comments by default instead of the ID3 tagging system. There's no clean way for multiple genre at least as of yet. This leads to #2.
2. Multiple genre would be necessary for several scenarios. Enter "Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas". We have a Soundtrack, with Jazz songs, and Christmas/Holiday songs.
3. I'm having some people over and want to play random music but no Christmas music or explicit music either. Now we have a scenario that simple genre sorting wouldn't accomplish in the first place. If I tagged my music already, this could be a simple process.
Maybe a new tagging system that wholly covers the issues that have come up over the years of digital music that has yet to exist mainstream is the issue. Current implementations vary and vary in quality. Supporting multiple media formats thwarts any attempt at a universal option to solve this, so it seem to be that a tagging system explicit to Songbird is the best conceivable option.
There's even an option to tag this post as tagging seems to be everywhere in this Web 2.0 world we're aiming for, so it seems a worthy thing to work towards. It's a decent solution to sorting info that we've been lacking for a long time.
The community and devs thoughts?
Doom0r
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Inappropriate?You are right with everything you said. It is a huge problem of all Tech things out there. Too few standards. Endless things, that try to accomplish the same goal, while doing it all on their own, standing on different ground, without giving even the smallest thought to cross platform, cross application usage.
A commonly used expandable Tag system for media files in this special case would be really nice.
Even the big players more and more see, that it only holds benefits, rather then losses to their cause, to use a common ground. Even Microsoft tends to open up a little these days.
But I agree, that we perhaps don't want to wait, until all are opened up and we can use one special sort of tagging system for everything.
I just yesterday played around with the smart playlists currently in development for future bird iterations and came across the same restriction you ran into. To have just one genre per file just isn't sufficient enough. There are very few bands, which you can apply that simplicity to.
Besides that, I have to say, that I hate the strictness of applying a set genre to a band. Tagging my music would be more to my liking indeed.
Let's take a White Stripes song for example. Tags to be used could be "E-Guitar, Drums, Blues, Rock".
With the usage of smart playlists, you afterwards could simply factor special Tags out, that you don't want to show up, like your "christmas" Tag.
Yes, a Tagging system for music is in Order.
Every popular music site out there does it, why do music files lack this?
Anyone any Idea for a solution?
Tyler out!
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Inappropriate?Yes. Yes. Please. It has struck me as strange for a while now that I can't find a good player to do this. It seems so inevitable and right. -
Inappropriate?I would like to completely eradicate the current tag GUI as it is used in Songbird, and switch to a clean, simple yet extremely powerful tagging system that QuodLibet uses. Why limit the user to a claustrophobic small window with options that the developers only wish to implement? If users want that, they can switch to Winamp or MediaMonkey. Let the Songbird user decide which tags s/he wishes to see and use.
In QuodLibet you can set your own tags (things like performer:piano, performer:orchestra, conductor, composersort, part, whatever you like). And you can put any tag in your filter panes, and you're not just limited to three panes (two or six, whatever you want). [1]
Dear Songbird devs, please please please have a look at QuodLibet [2] (on Linux) to get a sense of what can be done with tags and still be more user-friendly than the current GUIs that are just too strict for Ogg/Flac/... users.
This is a potential USP for Songbird, something that will certainly attract users with a large collection of music albums.
[1] http://sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki/...
[2] http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet
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/Danai
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Inappropriate?I'm going to pitch in one other scenario.
I have a large collection of speeches and talks as well as a few audio books. I don't need them mixed with my music. I do want them same application though, because there are a few portable players that handle the difference well and I hope to get one of them at some point for both music and spoken word.
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