The Big Idea: Making Songbird a better success

Would be cool, hope they do it

Good Idea!

They should definitely do it!!!!!

Cool idea

I am 100% behind this idea. Mozilla Songbird does have a nice ring to it

wicked idea, "Mozilla Songbird" sounds cool!!!

Wait till it hits 1.0
Then we'll see if it should go up.
I'm still having plenty of problems.

i think this would be a good idea also. although songbird has crashed everytime i have tried to play a mp3, i release it's still in development. i'm hanging out for cd ripping, album artwork downloading, id3 info downloading, vitalisations etc.. would also be nice if you could go download the lyrics. speaking of which, the current search for lyrics system (on my computer) was searching only the title of the song, not exactly specific enough to find what i was after!

This would be a great idea. Hopefully it will happen!

I think this is a fantastic idea

I think that's a pretty neat idea! Firefox has achieved the highest ratings amongst developers and experts, such that, when i sometimes check out for whatever sotware reviews, it's not unusual to read stuff like ,"the blah blah software is the Mozilla Firefox of it's kind". That is, Mozilla and Mozilla Firefox became like a synonym to something that is realiable and high quality. Having Songbird directly associated to that would definetely do something for it, marketing wise. Not to say that it honestly looks like a great partnership. The fox and the bird.

awsome idea,i agree but i think they should wait until 3.0

Is there news on this subject?

Shouldn't this say 'The company is working on this idea' ?
How is it already implemented ?

( i certainly like the idea though! must and will happen some day i know it. but not yet ready to do so. wait a couple of builds. though it might get ready faster with more help from the Mozilla name. )

+1 vote :)

This would actually be great, but songbird's use as a 'browser' seems weird (two browsers in one suite)

if it happened opening a tab would probably open a firefox 'tab' inside.

Songbird is whatever you want it to be. It doesn't ONLY have to be your web media player. You have to understand your users needs.
For some, who aren't heavy internet users, could have Songbird as their main source of getting to the web (and having it also be a media player is a bonus.)
Or some people might not even know it has a browser inside and just use its media player capabilities. I personally think the add-ons is what makes your Songbird what YOU want it to be.
Everyday, Songbird is evolving and growing.. Once companies heavily integrate their blogs and online music stores (such as Amazon) with Songbird... You could be spending a lot more time on Songbird, just exploring, the music web, the rest of the web, and forget that you are sitting right inside your Web Media Player. Seamless, transparent, integration... I can't wait to see what the future holds for Songbird!

I use songbird to have my webmailer and facebook opened in tabs.
Everything else I do in firefox. This way I can mess around with firefox without having to log in to my accounts several times a day.

Making Songbird available on the Mozilla website is a great idea. Is Songbird given on CDs in Free Software magazines ? If we can do it, it'll be a great promote for Songbird.

"Is Songbird given on CDs in Free Software magazines ?"
That is a good idea...
And why not a cd on mozilla store ? (with all addons inside...)

I think for really going public with a program (spreading a cd ....) songbird should still grow a little,
being to early can be devastating because winning back somebody you lost is very hard.
just remember Google Chrome (first hype ) or Vista.

Stability and Memory management still need to improve before Songbird begins to put more efforts to conquer the masses!

I don ́t want to bash songbird_ I love it and it is my only player but I think that some people will be scared away when they do not find on feature the love really up and running.
also running Songbird on an EEE pc is very demanding now but will be no problem when the remaining memory leaks are filled and Songbird is stable below 100MB of . .RAM.

So my suggestion let`s wait a little and make a big start!

Yea, i totally support qways opinion...

whenever i try newly discovered software, the chance of me keeping and using it is at about 80% when the software itself seems to be extremely well thought through and programmed, wheereas i tend to throw away new software rather quickly when it seems to be buggy and/or "beta"-like...from my user experience with sunbird id say its just right between those two states ;-)

I think is a great idea, that full integration
everything in common, mozilla songbird sounds good for the bird :P. can be more promoted but the problem with memory usage..........not good for users.
I use Songbird so time ago, I like add-ons, I'm so expected about future, features and add-ons. :D

if you lower the memory usage it sounds like a awesome idea.

I saw on new Mac many softwares like Google Earth, VLC, Firefox in a folder. The next version of OS X is far, but what about ask to Apple to install Songbird with the others softwares ? When a Mac user buy his new machine, he discover Songbird with. We can't say "Apple won't deliver a competitor of iTunes with their machines", 'cause Apple deliver Firefox with Safari.

dont think so, cause apple wants to earn money with itunes.

yep, but Songbird don't have his own platform for purchasing tracks or albums, so that's not dangerous for Apple...

but you should see the relation of adding firefox, which is as popular as f*ck (sorry ;)), such as VLC (google pays surely a lot to have earth added ;)) so it increases the positive meanings about mac, cause firefox are using so many people.. and of course people who are no pc-professionals... if i would know that firefox is on an apple i would have less fear to buy one because i know the software for browsing through the internet. and thats an important feature.
if you want songbird to be embedded in macOS, tell me how you would sell it to apple so i could have a better understanding for the practicability (dont know if this word exists).

That's true, sell it to Apple will be a bit difficult and/or expensive. But that's an idea like an other !

no dont be sad ;) you know i like this idea as well, but i dont see if its practicable or not. to spread songbird is always the right idea, but i think its better to let the users choose which software they use, instead of bringin this beautiful app with an operating system. and with it someday an old version of it, so that you have to download it anyways.

Good thing Songbird downloads all updates automatically. ;) but you're right, bringing it to the public is one thing, but releasing it together with an operating system is years ahead of us. That is not something you can just do. If you know how much software is actually around on our planet where many more people are already excited about than with songbird, they all want promotion like that, it's not that simple. Bringing it with a free software cd though, i think that should be reachable. But yea fix some more bugs first ;).

good news ...
MOZILLA IS USING GETSATISFACTION :D

Why not become a aplication of mozilla.com ?!
Lets begin the negociations...
Bring the t-shirts to mozilla store

Yeah, let's start the negociations.

Great !
I love Open-Source 'cause of that kind of idea !

Presumably a lot of people involved in the songbird community are also involved in Mozilla in general - rather than approaching them as 'songbird' and asking for co-operation, could we, as Mozilla users, suggest that Mozilla takes songbird under it's wing (no pun intended...) ?

Awesome plan and great idea. Mozilla has the name of a good company/community which delivers great software. This would be a great addition. Mozilla OS (full featured) here we come ... in 2100 or so :p

This would indeed help the attention Songbird is getting from developers and users!

Good idea, but I think they should wait until Songbird has fewer problems. Songbird still doesn't work properly on my computer. It hogs most of my cpu and memory, performance is sluggish, and last time I tried it I couldn't get it to play a single song fully before crashing. All this prevents me from switching from foobar2k.

I really love the idea of Songbird though and will switch to it as soon as it becomes usable on my computer.

@Grazfather
Yeah this is a slight problem. Having 2 browsers in the mozilla suite would be quite weird. Maybe the browser in Songbird could be changed to a more stripped-down version of FF. Most people would probably continue to use FF as their main browser anyway so the extra features wouldnt be missed. And this should help with the memory issues as well.

I think that ultimately, we'll definitely see this become Mozilla Songbird, but not for a little while longer. As it stands right now, Songbird is not a complete product. It lacks things like podcast support and CD ripping/burning that a lot of people are going to want to see before switching from iTunes/Winamp/WMP. The thing that makes Firefox and Thunderbird so great is that they are free, open source offerings that match or exceed the competition in features and performance. Songbird isn't there yet, but it looks like it soon will be, at least according to the roadmap. Once Mozilla is convinced that this is a no-compromises, full-featured music player, I'm sure we'll be welcomed in with open arms. And since Songbird was built on a Mozilla framework already, there'll be great opportunities for integration with Firefox, like the ability to drag tabs between FF and the Songbird browser. That said, I don't think they should become integrated too much - the Mozilla Foundation already spun off the Mozilla Suite (SeaMonkey) so that they could focus on streamlined, discrete applications. The biggest boon to Songbird will definitely be visibility and marketing potential. Who knows, maybe we'll even get the Colbert Bump!

This is a really great idea, I hope it get's pushed through.

Mozilla owns all of the trademarks etc for Firefox and the rest of their products. They earn income from partners like Google for eg. adding them as the default search engine.

Songbird is owned by Pioneers of the Inevitable and financed by at least some venture capital.

I can't see how Songbird can become a Mozilla product without Mozilla buying Songbird from it's current owners (the code is free - the trademark most probably isn't).

maybe form another subsidiary under mozilla like they did with mozilla messaging. then about the trademarks. they can be transfered. right.. but if we make a subsidiary, with the current people migrating to the new place, a full trademark transfer may not be required. but i think a trademark transfer may be inevitable..

I think we all need to bear in mind that POTI is a for-profit company and Songbird is their livelihood. Collaboration with Mozilla would be awesome, but POTI are unlikely to sign sb over to them completely becuase then they will all be out of a job... Unless Mozilla agrees to buy out the trademakrs and employ the whole team - which is quite unlikely. For the time being, let's just support POTI as best we can, huh?