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VISUALIZATIONS!
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Visualizations, please.
I read a related post in questions, regarding moving to Gstreamer. It would be simply wonderful if you guys could attract the already well developed visualizations community. No idea how this would be accomplished, but it looks like you are building it so they come.
Visualizations, please.
I read a related post in questions, regarding moving to Gstreamer. It would be simply wonderful if you guys could attract the already well developed visualizations community. No idea how this would be accomplished, but it looks like you are building it so they come.
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Hi there,
Well I am one of the few people that actual write visualization software.
I have been involved in scenes and dev work for milkdrop, g-force, R2, R4, etc and now our new one Morphyre (which is nearly finished).
We *could* port something for songbird.
Is there any sort of API/SDK for it for visualization creation?
Sadly also what comes into play (to work out the effort needed) is market penetration so what sort of figures of downloads have you had?
Also we have no intention of making it open source. Is that an issue here?
Let me know
John
www.musicvisuals.com
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MIlkdrop it's great! I think it would be nice to use milkdrop libraries for visualizations in songbird
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Please make it an add-on!! Not a core app feature!
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Inappropriate?Thanks for your suggestion.
The same suggestion was filed several month ago.
http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show...
and will be implemented in future releases.
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Inappropriate?Please make it an add-on!! Not a core app feature!
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Inappropriate?I've since switched media players to XMplayer.
There's a DSP wrapper available for XMplayer that allows me to use all of the well-established visualization add-ons (Like Milkdrop!).
Visualizations are KEY! It may seem secondary, but a good visualizer can really make or break a player.
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Inappropriate?Yeah, I have wanted to rock the songbird for a while, but I find myself shackled to winamp so that I can enjoy milkdrop. Songbird is there.. it just.. doesn't do what I want it to.. that being to put the most jaw-dropping visualizations imaginable on the desktop. Give me a workaround that gets that done, and I will be free from winamp for good!
I’m being patient
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hell yeah milkdrop!
but i agree this should be an add-on, not a core feature -
Oh yes. Milkdrop! Now that would be something to have in Songbird. O,O
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Inappropriate?If you guys do implement a visualization plugin/function I hope you use projectm, as it is awesome. http://projectm.sourceforge.net/
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Inappropriate?A spectrogram visualization like in foobar 2000 would be great. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrogram -
Inappropriate?Thats a great idea, and I think you can use projectm to have milkdrop visualizations. I never could make it work!!!! (i'm on ubuntu).
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Inappropriate?yes, but good ones, personalized, like winamp's, not like wmp
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Inappropriate?I managed to get visualisations working on Linux by following the instructions at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.ph... I don't think a lot of users would want to go to the bother of doing this, and it would be a LOT harder on windows.
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Inappropriate?Hey, libvisual-0.4-plugins. It's free software, so integrating visualizations shouldn't take much to do. For GNU/Linux anyway, for Windows maybe a little more difficult.
I’m undecided
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Inappropriate?I would also love to see visualizations, however, seeing all the different things my players do, some way of keeping it on one screen, all screens or something decent. iTunes makes one screen black, and other programs display to the default screen only (maybe option to use Direct X or not). Just something that annoys me! I also agree that it should be an add-on.
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Inappropriate?Hey, I have a excelent idea for one feature to bring to visualization :D
" songbird the Black Bird " (a "annabelle the sheep" clone)
Take a look
http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/t...
PS: One think ! the songbird mascot have a name ? Is just Songbird ?
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Inappropriate?For me, a good way to visualizations, is combining this screen with the plugin "now playing list." (like windows media player 11 do)
With this, we have opportunity to bring users from windows media player for songbird (for me, the visualizations from itunes is awful, and the winamp is poorly located).
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Inappropriate?Visualizations could do the following:
Create own and capsulized visual Objects, for acoustic "Objects" like a Voice or an Instrument. Must not fit in the beginning. But tries to get better in Song Process. It could additional move or pulse in the Beat of the song.
Acoustic Objects could be grouped together to one Visual Object in the visualization.
What do you think?
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Inappropriate?There is a wonderful idea about visualisations there : http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/User:Jou...
It involves Processing and GStreamer. Please check it out!
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Inappropriate?I like this idea, but only if we can use winamp's visualisations.
I don't know if that's easy to do or even feasable, though.
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Why settle for what winamp has? It should be better!
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that's the spirit! However, considering that there have been gazillions written for winamp, it would be fun to develop some cross compatibility.
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The winamp has the worst visualisation with compare with the itunes and the "windows media player" (for me, the windows media player is perfect to me)
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@Catch-22 Yes ! But making visualisations compatible with another system will allows us to start with a gazillon viz already available.
@Erik Ch. Is this a real comment ? Winamp has milkdrop, geiss (and everything else from geisswerks.com :)), while windows media player has ... some lines moving around, in a circle or in a straight line.
Has that changed since I last used it ? I really dislike wmp, it's the first thing I try to remove after a fresh windows install. -
testify brother!
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@Erik Ch Ok, wmp has got some cute viz.... I still prefer winamp's, but, whatever. I don't think visualizations should be the priority.
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About the custumization, winamp has a great visualization.
But, talking about "layout of visualization" the windows media player has the better choice (now playing with visualization) -
Inappropriate?MIlkdrop it's great! I think it would be nice to use milkdrop libraries for visualizations in songbird
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To be honest I only care about the visualisations from geisswerks.com :)
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Inappropriate?If anyone is on linux, projectM is a great way to have a visualiser, tutorials to install are online, looks great and visualises any sound you play.1 Comment Add a comment
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Actually, XBMC is using projectM. Looks fabulous but I don't the rhythm of the music in their visualisations ;D . The same applies for Goom, but that's only my opinion ^^ .
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Inappropriate?I'm using ProjetcM on Ubuntu. It works fine but it is not easy to install (in fact it's a pain in the a** for a lot of people), and it doesn't work with the newest presets made for Milkdrop2. Anyway, projecrM is okay but what we want here is visualizations being part of Songbird and not a separated application.
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Part off, yes! But not a core feature! We should make it an add-on!
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Inappropriate?This should be implemented, and available as add-ons, more user-created ones.
And an button on the info of the song that changes the song info to an bar vis (could be customizable in themes).
Like this:
Into this:
That would be done with an button. :)
I’m excited. =)
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Good point.
Itunes has it , it could be a good implementation -
Inappropriate?Could this be useful perhaps?
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Excelent visualization
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Hey, jaw (From Vovoid, main VSXu coder) here, saw all the referrers so figure I should comment.. I've talked with the project team about visuals before, and the way I think it should be done is what is already happening with VSXu and Amarok and VLC, which is: Songbird should provide the OpenGL surface (because OpenGL is multi-plattform and you don't want to add more complexity supporting different Graphics API's on different platforms) and then just call a function with sound data in the visual. What does this mean for the end user?
- Hassle-free iTunes-like interface.
Also another benefit from this is that Songbird can layer other plugins on top to draw lyrics / time / overlays or whatever, or just do that by itself. This should NOT be required of the visuals developers to support - then you end up with winamp where every visual behaves different, some support lyrics, some don't, they have different key-bindings (if any) etc.. That is totally out of the question for Songbird IMO. Especially in the light of the fact that it is multi-platform!
What does this mean for the implementer/progrfammer of a visual? It means a very very simple way to create a visual. ITunes is overly complex, several thousand lines of pointless code just to get started... -
Yeah go with jaw's stuff if you have already had discussions. I presume the issue is setting up the OpenGL stuff in songbird for the initial run from teh songbird devs?
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Rova, it was more like me bugging them and they said "in a year or two.. maybe.." IIRC they also mentioned their sound stack being b0rked between the OSes right now so that one has to be ridden out to get some kind of coherency... But with OpenGL you can also get ProjectM in the mix quite easily, and some other devs might find it easy to convert their stuff as well... also Morphyre is OGL right?
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So as usual the devs aren't bothered with visualizations then. Had that with foobar when it came out (and most other players for that matter)). I wonder why they don't just say that in this thread, it would save our time and effort.
This topic is in the "Ideas Under Consideration" section. Why not just remove it. It is not going to happen.
Yeah Morphyre is OpenGL we had to do that for cross platform stuff. Only got up for public release last week and I have a load of stuff to add to it. I wasn't really ready for a public release...........
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Inappropriate?Hi there,
Well I am one of the few people that actual write visualization software.
I have been involved in scenes and dev work for milkdrop, g-force, R2, R4, etc and now our new one Morphyre (which is nearly finished).
We *could* port something for songbird.
Is there any sort of API/SDK for it for visualization creation?
Sadly also what comes into play (to work out the effort needed) is market penetration so what sort of figures of downloads have you had?
Also we have no intention of making it open source. Is that an issue here?
Let me know
John
www.musicvisuals.com
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Oh my god, please.
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G'day, sounds great, but you would probably be best off asking the guys in irc.mozilla.org, #songbird.
Internally though, gstreamer is used, so I'd imagine it should be possible somehow. As video support isn't available yet though, you would probably have to create your own visualisation window (and when video support is added, you could then possibly integrate into the video window).
You would need to speak to the Songbird guys directly though, sorry :(
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Depending on how the libraries you use are connected to songbird you may or may not be forced to GPL the code it really depends on how it's implemented
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Inappropriate?What about WebGL? It should be implemented in one of the next release of Mozilla/Gecko. Would that make easier to implement visualizations in Songbird?
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WebGL use high-level graphics API to browser. But I think is early to know your true face.
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Inappropriate?I am for this, would be nice to see the video for mp4s
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Inappropriate?+1 for the recommendation for ProjectM inclusion. I'm OK with this being a plug-in. It would be extremely easy to implement and already works as a stand-alone app (if you are willing to compile the source....)
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Inappropriate?Songbird will support HTML5 sooner or later, probably in the next release or whenever they update gecko to the latest version (if they haven't already, I have not tested)
Why not use HTML5 Canvas to do a visualization. Something like this, but restricted to a pane and the controls cleaned up (and maybe the wave getting bigger as the volume does?)
http://modern-carpentry.com/workshop/... You need Firefox 3.5 or another HTML5 ready browser to see this.
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And WebGL is going to be implemented in Firefox 3.7, so it'll also allow to create 3D effects using standard and open technologies
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