Wishlist, winamp 2.x features and others.
Hello,
For over 10 years I was a happy user of Winamp 2.x/Audacious/XMMS. This slim and fast players have/had some unique nice features that I'm missing alot since I switched from Windows to Mac (I'm a hobby musician/sound engineer). I tried to use iTunes/ToolPlayer/and dozen of other gimped-beta-no_even_playlist?! programs.. lets say i don't want waste my keyboard to comment this piece of .... software.
Recently, to be honest, 3 days ago I've discovered a Songbird - and I must say.. I'm impressed, truly breath taking program... but.. after 3 days of digging in it.. well read below :)
There are a couple of small (easy to implement I suppose) features that could increase usability:
1. Better shortcuts:
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My 1st idea is to create a additional tab inside Preferences window called 'Shortcuts' from user could easy customize shortcuts. Someone could say: 'What for ?"
Small example from a Mac world. To play next song from the queue I have to press CTRL + ->. This involves using 2 hands since Macbook Pro doesn't have right CTRL button.
I would be great to simplify this by using for example Winamp 2.x shortcuts:
n - next song
b - previous song
Next idea - shortcut for skip 5, 10 or 20 sec of a song - this was implemented in Winamp/XMMS (GStreamer) and worked just fine.
Another place that shortcut would be great is long-mouse-button-press on artist/song name to edit a text field. In combination with 'n' (or other 1 key shortcut) it would be a nice time saver :)
Summary:
Idea 1: New tab in Preference window with customable shortcuts
Alternative idea: Cleanup and refactorize (simplify) shorcut code to improve usability:
- less 2 keys shortcuts
- pre-defined templates from other programs: Winamp/Amarok/iTunes to help undecided people to change their players :)
2. Mouse scroll wheel in song progressbar:
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This feature is partly implemented already - but in volume bar. It would be great that user could 'scrub' or 'skip-next-5sec' on mousewheel up action - just like in volume bar.
This could be done by splitting volumebar/buttons section and song progressbar to 2 different "frames". I'm not a programmer but i think that GStreamer could handle this.
This is important for electronic music freaks (like me for example). Why ? Because el-music main melody line starts around 2:30min (first 60 sec its just basic beat build-up to help DJ in mixing 2 songs). Now I have to do to miles and miles with my mouse to skip first 1-2min. For this feature many DJ would sold their mothers :P - only sophisticated DJ/Music production software like Ableton Live/ Serato System/ NI DJ Traktor or maybe Mix Vibes have similar features :)
3. HTML Generated Playlist (like in Winamp 2.x):
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This feature was implemented in Winamp 2.x. How does it works ? Its simple. It takes ID3v2 Tags and put's this information into predefined HTML template with additional summary: how many songs, total play-length, average song length etc. Screenshot below:
http://nunzioweb.com/winamp/wa-total-...
Simple and very useful for people who use 3rd party software to search songs in their whole cd/mp3/dvd collection in HTML/txt files.
4. Deleting files from HDD:
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Songbird can easily find and select file in users filesystem. My idea is to move a bit further with file management and add under CSM 'Delete' option 'Delete from HDD' option. Think what a useful tool it could be in combination with Exorcist addon - powerful music library management tool.
For this purpose now I have to use Winamp 2.83 working on my Mac under Crossover (comercial Wine fork). How lame is that ? :)
5. Mass ReNamer:
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Another CSM option - 'Use ID tag information to rename a song file' - pretty much self explanatory ;). Something oposite to Metadata Tools addon (http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/...). How I would done it?
Another tab in preferences called 'ReNamer'. There could be a text field where user can create naming tempate, for example:
(IDTag_artistname) - (IDTag_trackname)
From now on user can select mp3 file, click right mouse button and choose 'Use ID tag information to rename a song file' or 'Rename song using ReNamer' to rename 101_madonna__frozen.mp3 to 'Madonna - Frozen.mp3'. This can be done one by one or by choosing more than 1 file.
A mixture of CTRL+T option in Windows Commander and Tag Renamer tool :)
6. Enqueue in Songbird option:
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Simple scenario:
1. Songbird is opened in the background, there are 20 song in a playlist.
2. Mark another 25 songs in nautilus/rox/explorer/finder
3. Open with Songbird - all 25 songs are added to Library
My idea is a copy/paste function from Winamp 2.x:
3. Open with 'Enqueue in Songbird' - this 25 new songs are added to ongoing playlist, not to library.
Songbird is a light in a Mac world tunnel. A world filled with cutting edge movie editors like Final Cut Pro or music sequencers like Logic / Pro Tools, a world filled with bloatware like iTunes with no (except Songbird ofc) small, fast and useful alternative for old farts like me, who grown up using xmms/winamp.
I'm a Software Test Engineer - my job is to hunt for bugs in software. I'm willing to help in in depth testing each of this feature, but not only. I want to contribute in this project because I believe that is already the best music player on Mac.
OK, enough of this Obama style speach :)
What do You think about this features ?
All comments (negative also) are welcomed :)
P.S.
Sorry for my horrible English.
--
TJ,
GNU/Linux Debian Freak,
Ableton Live Freak,
Songbird Addict :)
For over 10 years I was a happy user of Winamp 2.x/Audacious/XMMS. This slim and fast players have/had some unique nice features that I'm missing alot since I switched from Windows to Mac (I'm a hobby musician/sound engineer). I tried to use iTunes/ToolPlayer/and dozen of other gimped-beta-no_even_playlist?! programs.. lets say i don't want waste my keyboard to comment this piece of .... software.
Recently, to be honest, 3 days ago I've discovered a Songbird - and I must say.. I'm impressed, truly breath taking program... but.. after 3 days of digging in it.. well read below :)
There are a couple of small (easy to implement I suppose) features that could increase usability:
1. Better shortcuts:
-------------------------
My 1st idea is to create a additional tab inside Preferences window called 'Shortcuts' from user could easy customize shortcuts. Someone could say: 'What for ?"
Small example from a Mac world. To play next song from the queue I have to press CTRL + ->. This involves using 2 hands since Macbook Pro doesn't have right CTRL button.
I would be great to simplify this by using for example Winamp 2.x shortcuts:
n - next song
b - previous song
Next idea - shortcut for skip 5, 10 or 20 sec of a song - this was implemented in Winamp/XMMS (GStreamer) and worked just fine.
Another place that shortcut would be great is long-mouse-button-press on artist/song name to edit a text field. In combination with 'n' (or other 1 key shortcut) it would be a nice time saver :)
Summary:
Idea 1: New tab in Preference window with customable shortcuts
Alternative idea: Cleanup and refactorize (simplify) shorcut code to improve usability:
- less 2 keys shortcuts
- pre-defined templates from other programs: Winamp/Amarok/iTunes to help undecided people to change their players :)
2. Mouse scroll wheel in song progressbar:
---------------------------------------------------------
This feature is partly implemented already - but in volume bar. It would be great that user could 'scrub' or 'skip-next-5sec' on mousewheel up action - just like in volume bar.
This could be done by splitting volumebar/buttons section and song progressbar to 2 different "frames". I'm not a programmer but i think that GStreamer could handle this.
This is important for electronic music freaks (like me for example). Why ? Because el-music main melody line starts around 2:30min (first 60 sec its just basic beat build-up to help DJ in mixing 2 songs). Now I have to do to miles and miles with my mouse to skip first 1-2min. For this feature many DJ would sold their mothers :P - only sophisticated DJ/Music production software like Ableton Live/ Serato System/ NI DJ Traktor or maybe Mix Vibes have similar features :)
3. HTML Generated Playlist (like in Winamp 2.x):
-----------------------------------------------------------------
This feature was implemented in Winamp 2.x. How does it works ? Its simple. It takes ID3v2 Tags and put's this information into predefined HTML template with additional summary: how many songs, total play-length, average song length etc. Screenshot below:
http://nunzioweb.com/winamp/wa-total-...
Simple and very useful for people who use 3rd party software to search songs in their whole cd/mp3/dvd collection in HTML/txt files.
4. Deleting files from HDD:
------------------------------------
Songbird can easily find and select file in users filesystem. My idea is to move a bit further with file management and add under CSM 'Delete' option 'Delete from HDD' option. Think what a useful tool it could be in combination with Exorcist addon - powerful music library management tool.
For this purpose now I have to use Winamp 2.83 working on my Mac under Crossover (comercial Wine fork). How lame is that ? :)
5. Mass ReNamer:
-------------------------
Another CSM option - 'Use ID tag information to rename a song file' - pretty much self explanatory ;). Something oposite to Metadata Tools addon (http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/...). How I would done it?
Another tab in preferences called 'ReNamer'. There could be a text field where user can create naming tempate, for example:
(IDTag_artistname) - (IDTag_trackname)
From now on user can select mp3 file, click right mouse button and choose 'Use ID tag information to rename a song file' or 'Rename song using ReNamer' to rename 101_madonna__frozen.mp3 to 'Madonna - Frozen.mp3'. This can be done one by one or by choosing more than 1 file.
A mixture of CTRL+T option in Windows Commander and Tag Renamer tool :)
6. Enqueue in Songbird option:
-----------------------------------------
Simple scenario:
1. Songbird is opened in the background, there are 20 song in a playlist.
2. Mark another 25 songs in nautilus/rox/explorer/finder
3. Open with Songbird - all 25 songs are added to Library
My idea is a copy/paste function from Winamp 2.x:
3. Open with 'Enqueue in Songbird' - this 25 new songs are added to ongoing playlist, not to library.
Songbird is a light in a Mac world tunnel. A world filled with cutting edge movie editors like Final Cut Pro or music sequencers like Logic / Pro Tools, a world filled with bloatware like iTunes with no (except Songbird ofc) small, fast and useful alternative for old farts like me, who grown up using xmms/winamp.
I'm a Software Test Engineer - my job is to hunt for bugs in software. I'm willing to help in in depth testing each of this feature, but not only. I want to contribute in this project because I believe that is already the best music player on Mac.
OK, enough of this Obama style speach :)
What do You think about this features ?
All comments (negative also) are welcomed :)
P.S.
Sorry for my horrible English.
--
TJ,
GNU/Linux Debian Freak,
Ableton Live Freak,
Songbird Addict :)
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Inappropriate?as for #1, If you have an apple keyboard, try this:
http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/... -
Inappropriate?Hey,
Already got this - it is very useful but it doesn't solves the problem described in 1st section. There are a bunch of shortcuts but it is not my point :)
But thanks for the tip anyway :)
I’m thankful
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Inappropriate?Sorry, I didn't get a chance to read through the whole thing.
I particularly like 2 and 5, neither of which I think have been suggested before. 5 has been suggested, I'm sure if you search GS you'll find the discussion for it. The rest wouldn't be particularly useful to me, but I'm sure others would be interested in them.
After re-reading #1, it sounds pretty good to me. Ideally, I'd like the arrow keys (L/R) to control previous/next song. That's all I really need.
I’m thinking you've won the 'longest post' award.
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Inappropriate?I can see that 4th idea is already assigned (http://wiki.songbirdnest.com/Releases...)
Finger crossed for fast implementation :)
After a consideration.. 6th idea can be replaced by directory browser addon - dragging and dropping is almost as fast as RMB and Enqueue.. + implementing/integration with 2,5 different systems could be not so easy.
3rd idea should be very easy to implement - as easy as creating new method witch opens new browser tab and put there an output from one SQL query (does Songbird use SQLite ?)
Customized shortcuts - this is rather time consuming feature to implement but hard coded arrow keys (L/R) to control previous/next song should be much simpler to implement.. and to be honest.. I'm very surprised that it is not implemented yet :)
I’m tired.. 3:46 am.. and I'm in a front of a computer..
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Inappropriate?Yea. Why 'Ctrl + arrow' instead of just 'arrow'?
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Inappropriate?I read the whole thing and think, that all of your suggestions
are worthwhile!
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