party mode voting for premium and day pass
for premium and day pass: add a party mode where you vote for songs when you click them instead of starting to play them right ahead. Ideally, the host locks spotify in party mode (password protected). people at the party then log on with their own spotify user within the party interface and put in their personal votes (maybe limited to 5 or 10 tracks per user in the queue at any time to create some variety). The hosts user could perhaps get double the number of tracks so people at the party not registered with spotify could use his account to put in their requests. Party mode would then take number of votes into consideration and also try to balance the songs somewhat between the different users. This would make it more attractive to PAY for spotify when it's used at parties, so far I've only seen the free version at parties and you're not making much money off that one. With party mode voting included you could sell day passes at at least double the price and premium would be more attractive as well.
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Inappropriate?Wow, what an awfully boring party that would be.
Nice idea, but have I misunderstood something here? You want people to
sign in to their Spotify accounts and vote for songs at a party?
I’m indifferent
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I don't suggest people log in to their Spotify accounts per se, the idea is that they use their username and password to identify themself in the party mode interface to vote at songs at the party.
It may not fit into your crazy parties where people apparently are so busy being awesome they can't take a minute to pick out some songs, but I believe this would be a welcome feature for many other, not quite as awesome but still reasonably fun parties. It's basically a jukebox with a vast library for the small price of a day pass. -
And if logging in is too hard, then perhaps the party mode can be reduced to simply not allowing direct write access to any playlists and the auto song selection / voting system described in the initial post, assuming there is a way to have voting without identifying all participants. -
Mbj123,
I do not have 'crazy parties where people are so busy being awesome they can't take a minute to pick out some songs'.
Firstly, what would even give you that impression? Interupting a party to add songs to a playlist is boring no matter how crazy a party is, or how long it takes.
Secondly, why is there any need for a request system like that? Why can't people ask the host of the party to play a certain song? Sorry, but in my book, that is not difficult enough to warrant the need to clutter up Spotify with pointless party features that only you will use.
Ibbles.
Thank you for putting a sensible response that is actually of some value and use. -
Inappropriate?@ibbles Yeah that's one way of doing it. Easier to use for the participants for sure. Using spotify indentities gives people an incentive to sign up though. I guess it's user friendliness vs. "marketing"/pushing people to sign up
@Connor i think you misunderstood the idea somewhat and I may have misunderstood your response. I tried to be brief so people would read it and I suppose that made it a bit harder to get. I can get wordy here in the comments though.
You say it's boring to interupt a party to add songs to a playlist, and that instead of this voting stuff just ask the host to put on a song you request. With the voting system, if you don't want to interrupt the party to add your requests in, others will add theirs and you have nothing to worry about! Also, instead of the host being hassled to change the music and possibly cutting another song short that someone else wants to hear, people add their requests and the party mode will play them in due time.
Here is an example: The guests are about to arrive, the host locks Spotify in partymode and chooses a backup playlist. If no songs are requested, partymode picks a random song from the backup playlist. The host votes for 3 songs and they are queued. In comes the first guest. While the first song by the host is playing, he logs in with his spotify username (or not - see ibbles's idea) and votes for 5 songs. Party mode now tries to mix up the play order based on what user put the request in and when the request was made. simple! when it has played all requests it goes back to the backuplist.
That's just one way to do it though. It's also possible to have just one user who votes for songs and the same song can't be voted for again until 5min or so has passed. The drawback with this is less varied music and a higher probability of people crowding the pc (boring party).
Main advantages: no song interruption, more varied music (every guest gets to hear something they like at one point or another), less hassle to change playlists etc. As long as those key points are kept in mind when party mode is created the solution will be ok.
I know it works well, a buddy of mine made a similar program from scratch with a pretty large mp3 collection. He had 2 terminals up at the party where people could vote = great success. He had another voting scheme more similar to the last one i described, I can detail it later if anyone is interested. -
Inappropriate?Mbj123,
I appreciate your long and detailed response to my point. I apologize for the way I seemed to come across - I like to get my point heard and occasionally my comments can seem slightly offensive.
Continuing on your idea, I thought maybe if you don't have enough computers to meet the large demand of people at the party, you could have an SMS request system.
Basically, you could set Spotify to 'Party Mode' as you suggested, and Spotify would have a dedicated phone number to text for requests.
You could type the host's username, followed by the artist and track name, and it would add that song to the queue.
Just an idea.
By the way, yes I am interested in the other voting scheme.
I’m indifferent
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Alternative ways of voting is a good idea. In addition to SMS, the Spotify client could host a webpage where people with smartphones/netbooks/similar can queue songs a little easier than with SMS. Since a search on Spotify usually returns more than one song, it can take several SMS back and forth to get the wanted song. A web page, on the other hand, can give immediate feedback. -
Good idea. Although a system would probably have to be made so that songs that differ significantly from the music's main genre isn't played. I.E. you wouldn't want Mozart to play in between a load of Tinchy Stryder songs!
Funny that, I'm listening to Tinchy Stryder right now on Spotify. -
This is a though one. I'm just thinking of the frustration I would experience when the music player says that I aren't allowed to listen to my music because "it isn't good enough" for this party. How do one design an algorithm that can make such decisions reliably, and how can it be tweaked by the host, whom I assume should be able to control/enforce policies on what types of music will be played on the party without having to list artists/genres explicitly. While it is possible to compare songs for similarities, I believe a more accepting manner should be used here since there are many persons with possibly very divergent music tastes present.
In addition, why would one not want some Mozart mixed in with the Tinchy Stryder songs, if requested by the party participants? -
I depends what type of party it is. For example, if it was simply a 'friend get-together' (if that's the right word) it would be tolerable to have diverse music played. However, if the party was more of the 'dancing-raving' type (again, if that is the right word) it would kill the atmosphere somewhat if Mozart started playing.
Obviously, like you said, the similar music algorithm should be optional. -
A fool-proof way to avoid atmosphere killing songs is to have a pre-arrenged playlist with songs that guests can vote on directly, and a separate interface/output stream (headphones) where to host can evaluate and approve songs that guests have voted for but are not on the current list of approved songs. This adds a bit of administrative work for the host thou, which was one of the things the entire discussion is about eliminating. However, the work required is less intrusive since the host can check the songs awaiting approval when it suits him/her instead of having to answer questions like "Play this song for me pleeeease :-)" immediately and it gives the host the possibility to hear the song before it is being played though the speaker. -
Inappropriate?Good ideas so far! SMS voting could be another source of income for spotify and throwing away the keyboard will keep people away from the computer. Besides they might give more thought to their votes when they cost money. Personally I would use the computer, but more alternatives are always good (especially those that make extra money for spotify). A genre limitation algorithm might be hard to implement (without using last.fm-ish tags), but an option to only have users vote on songs from a specified playlist as ibbles suggested is an easy fix. For instance if you host an 80s party a large playlist with songs from the 80s should cause people to pick appropriate songs. As Connor said it should be optional though. I suspect it would mainly be used openly.
To the voting scheme my buddy used: The interface had 3 main areas, all were visible at all time. one area was for selecting artist (sorted alphabetically), one area had a list of songs by the selected artist and the last area had the name of the current song and the list of songs who were queued to play. The top two songs on the list of the queued songs were "locked in" so to speak. Voting for songs only changed the order of the songs further down in the list of queued songs. When the current song finished, the first song in the queued list started playing and the third song got "locked in" on the second "safe spot". Not the best explanation but I hope it suffices. There were no user names and unlimited votes. It was on a web site so you could vote from any computer with internet and a browser. When one song was voted for it could not be voted for again in 5min or so. The queued list were sorted by the number of votes for each song (most votes on top naturally) It would not play songs from the same artist twice in a row. Songs that were in the queued list for 2 hours without being played were removed. It worked ok, but if many people wants to control the music the computers might get a bit too much focus.. voting limit/user authentication/sms voting etc. can reduce this. It was never a big problem though. -
Is this system he created open source? I would love to get a copy and have a go. -
Yeah, me too. -
It looks like he's closed the webpage where it ran (it's been a while since last we were in touch). The first version was released in 2002 and he's been developing and testing it for several years. Would be a good idea of spotify to hire him as a consultant. Anyway it was called dukeboccs and used to be up at http://www.dukeboccs.net/ and the homepage of his company is www.apario.no. I doubt it's open source though, but don't really know.
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