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How many people will we be allowed to subscribe to?
When V4 is released,what will be the total number of people we can subscribe to? Right now,we can have 500 friends and 500 people we can subscribe to,right? Will that number, stay the same? Will we be able to have 500,mutual subscribers,with the double arrow? Plus 500 people we subscribe to,but no mutual arrow? Or 500 mutuals,that we have clicked the share option?
Not only am I confused about this,but confused, about the friends and subscriptions, I have now. In V3 I have 400+ friends,and 300+ people I subscribe to,mutually,or not. How will they be rolled over,or combined? What is my limit? I don't want to lose,any of these people,when it is rolled over.
Will there be an increase,to how many we can subscribe to? And how will that be applied? For me right now,the main thing is,I don't want to lose any of these people,when the time comes.
Not only am I confused about this,but confused, about the friends and subscriptions, I have now. In V3 I have 400+ friends,and 300+ people I subscribe to,mutually,or not. How will they be rolled over,or combined? What is my limit? I don't want to lose,any of these people,when it is rolled over.
Will there be an increase,to how many we can subscribe to? And how will that be applied? For me right now,the main thing is,I don't want to lose any of these people,when the time comes.
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Apologies for the belated reply. Here is the more in-depth comment that I was planning on posting a few days ago. It's not rocket science, it's quite common-sense actually:
There are some practical constraints that are related to the Recommendation Engine and the recommend methods we use to supply quality stumbles to our users. These constraints force us to put a cap on the number of Subscriptions a user can have.
Unless you stumble many thousands of times per month, having more than 500 Subscriptions would make it difficult to see even one recommendation from each of them. We might never be able to figure out algorithmically whether sites we show you from one particular Subscription are better or more appropriate for you compared to other ones. Even at 500, most people will never see anything from some of their subscriptions.
For users who rarely stumble, but blog more, this is not quite a concern. But for users who stumble a lot, the quality of sites they get from us is very important.
It should not be hard to pick out 500 people whose content you absolutely love, right?
It's not excluded that this limit may change in the future. Your requests for this cap to be increased have made their way into our QA system, for future evaluation.
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The code for subscriptions has not changed. You are still limited to have a maximum of 500 subscriptions. In the new system that maps out to potentially having 500 people to direct-share with.
This limit may change in the future, but I do not have any clear indication or knowledge of that.
Apologies for the belated reply. We did not avoid your question, we just wanted to make sure we are well-informed, to avoid distributing inaccurate information to the community.
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At 25,000+, thumbs up only,I thought I *did* stumble a lot. In just a little over one year.I've never complained about the quality of my stumbles. I've been very happy with what I got.
I guess it's time to go unfriend,and unsubscribe to 200+ friends. So to any of you reading this thread,don't take it personal.I care about all of my friends and mutual subscribers. SU,has said I'm not allowed to subscribe to all of you.This is not my choice,and i will still think of you as friends,even while I click that,unsubcribe button. This feels like my Mother,telling me,I'm not allowed to play with the kid down the street.
No the new SU ,is not very Social at all. Not to mention,changing the rules in the middle of the game. I played by the rules. That just got me,the loss of 200 people I care about:((
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I had to unsubscribe 100 people yesterday, and it was not a good feeling. I kept my true friends first (the ones that really shared with me and talked to me and cared about me) which added up to 215 and I had 395 subscriptions to people I liked including most of my friends. I had to drop 110 subscriptions, and yes, I did drop a few friends in the last few weeks that never spoke to me, wrote me, or shared with me. A few didn't even like me and I could tell so they should not be upset. They never gave me the time of day or had sent me the first send.
I am now in limit, and I am sad I had to lose anybody. I kept real friends first, next I kept subs that were not friends, but were subscribed to me & I subscribed to as well, the first to go were people I was subscribed to that were not subscribed to me that I hoped to be friends with eventually. :(
People I unsubscribed from came to my page and I feel awful about it, but that is the rule and they should blame SU, not me! I was really hoping to eventually be friends with those people. I was afraid if I did not pick SU would start dumping my good friends for me.
Maybe Monica call tell me if I did what the company wanted. Did I do what I was supposed to do Monica?? I want to know. I have some people upset with me now, Monica. Have you had to drop anybody Monica? It is a horrible feeling to unsub somebody and have them come to your page. I guess they think they did something wrong, but they didn't. It is just the sad state of affairs around here with this 500 total subscription limit. Monica please answer me.
How much fun is stumbling going to be now, when I cannot subscribe to anybody else, or make new friends?? What am I supposed to do with myself now? Just click that stumble button time after time like a rat in a maze. I an not allowed to make any new friends and or to subscribe to anybody else. What do I do now for fun?
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It's getting very sad,that this new SU,is now making friend,turn against friend. It would be nice,if we all remember,that not all of us like,some or all of the features. That we can disagree with each other,and not take it personal. Yes,I know. Easier said then done.It has now become sad to be here,instead of happy.
I have a suggestion,for all SU staff. Last nite,I went and unfriended,10 innocent people.They will have no idea why I did it. Each click made me more sad,as a friend just vanished. Yes,I lost something. I lost a little piece of my heart,with the loss of each friend. So to the staff,I respectfully suggest,you go to your friend list. Unfriend the people ,that you work with each day. Even tho,they are still there in the office with you everyday. Click ,that unfriend button ,10 times.See what it feels like.See,if that doesn't affect you. But don't add them back. You have to wait for an official answer,like we do. And if you don't go over the limit,or have more then 500.Don't put your friends back on your list,otherwise you will miss this feeling. Not only was I sad,but sick to my stomach,as I did this last nite.
So SU,with all respect,I ask you to test this for yourselves.Don't take my word for it.I think it is something you can only understand,once you actually feel it for yourselves.
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We really need an answer to this question.Last nite,the new friends tab was released,and I'm really confused. I had thought, that when V4 was released,our friends,would just roll over and become mutual subscribers. After,looking thru 5 pages,of 10 pages of friends,in that new tab,I gave up. Many of them were old mutuals,from back in V2.Some are just friends,that right now,show the double arrow,and this is just too confusing to figure out.
I have tried to be the voice of reason,to many people,over this friend issue.At the moment,I have no voice.I'm too confused. If I uderrstand,this new friend tab,I have to go subscribe,to people I am only friends with?So if I have 400+ people I subscribe,plus friend,and 300 people I am only friends with,I am going to lose 200+ friends? If the subscriber limit is only 500,300 of my friends are going to vanish,and I have no room left,to go to their page and subscribe to them? Yes,this does concern me. I don't want SU,not me,to remove 300 of my friends,and there is nothing I can do about it. And I'm sure those 300 people,will be even more upset then I am. Everyone is coming to my page,or stumbling a note to me,telling me I need to subscribe to them.
So:
Will friends just roll over,and become mutual subscribers?
What will our subscriber limit be?
How long will we get to keep,this new friend tab?
I’m anxious,sad,confused,and my headache is back.
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Inappropriate?I think that 500 subscriptions is too low especially when some of the people that I subscribe too are not as active as I am. I would love to see the subscription cap increased to 750 or 1000 so that I can get a wider variety of stumbles. :)
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Inappropriate?We really need an answer to this question.Last nite,the new friends tab was released,and I'm really confused. I had thought, that when V4 was released,our friends,would just roll over and become mutual subscribers. After,looking thru 5 pages,of 10 pages of friends,in that new tab,I gave up. Many of them were old mutuals,from back in V2.Some are just friends,that right now,show the double arrow,and this is just too confusing to figure out.
I have tried to be the voice of reason,to many people,over this friend issue.At the moment,I have no voice.I'm too confused. If I uderrstand,this new friend tab,I have to go subscribe,to people I am only friends with?So if I have 400+ people I subscribe,plus friend,and 300 people I am only friends with,I am going to lose 200+ friends? If the subscriber limit is only 500,300 of my friends are going to vanish,and I have no room left,to go to their page and subscribe to them? Yes,this does concern me. I don't want SU,not me,to remove 300 of my friends,and there is nothing I can do about it. And I'm sure those 300 people,will be even more upset then I am. Everyone is coming to my page,or stumbling a note to me,telling me I need to subscribe to them.
So:
Will friends just roll over,and become mutual subscribers?
What will our subscriber limit be?
How long will we get to keep,this new friend tab?
I’m anxious,sad,confused,and my headache is back.
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Personally I could not reason with Monicas reply, it is very confusing to me still, Why should there be a limit on how many friends one has? Is there not enough band space or something like that? I have heard from people who have been on here much longer than I have who also do not understand this reasoning. Are people who have over five hundred friends going to lose some of them? I tell you with just a few friends on my list around sixty or so subscriptions It is a pain in the you know where to have to additionally write and ask them to subscribe to us and be sure to check the box. I don't understand basically. sam -
Inappropriate?I saw this the other day saying you can only subscribe to 25 people a day...so it would be an interesting context to the question...
http://www.nvisolutions.com/blog/soci...
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Inappropriate?There are so many rumors and such,being stumbled,to me and others,it's hard to know whats true. I think we need, some official answers,from SU,on this question, and a few others now. I don't want 200+ ,of my friends,just vanishing!
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Inappropriate?We really do need to know soon. People are really stressing over this issue.
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Inappropriate?ABPS,SU has removed the word friends. We can no longer have friends.We can now only subscribe to people.If they chose to subscribe back,then we can tick the box,and allow shares with them..That is as close to friends as we can get now.If both parties,agree to share.
Before,we were allowed to have 500 friends,and subscribe to 500 people.
The question still hasn't been answered,by SU. How many people will we be allowed to subscribe to?
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Inappropriate?I'd be mildly interested to know the answer. Not unduly worried because I never got even remotely near the limits of either friends or subscriptions, and all but a very few of my 'friends' were also mutual subscriptions. But it'd still be interesting to know.
As a side issue, and now that its all subscription-based, I wonder if theres an 'optimum' number of subscriptions ? I can remember seeing discussions in cores about that and some of the more experienced stumblers saying that limitless (or very large numbers of ) subscriptions could be detrimental because subscribing actually does affect the quality of your stumbling experience.
I mean .. at one extreme if you subscribed to no-one it'd be useless and if you subscribed to all 8 mllion users it would be equally useless. The suggestion was that there was a kind of 'sweet spot' .. possibly around a couple of hundred but I may be totally wrong. Too few and you don't get enough variety .. too many or too indiscriminate and you don't get good quality. I wonder if thats true and if it would still apply to V4 ?
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At this point,Now that we all see,SU can't even make decent color,I'm not about to let THEM decide fro ,me,what their idea of an "optimum",number is. I'm not even bothering,with the colr thread,so many are upset about. I don't want a few 100 of my friends removed. I don't want to spend hours,and hours,day after day,subscribing to people that are already my friend. A system,that worked perfectly fine for me. SU doesn't KNOW,what is ideal for me,or anyone else here.Read all the posts,should make that pretty clear.What works for you,may not work for me. I'm a big girl.I can pick my own friends and subscribe to who I want to. If I don't like what I've done,I can always go back,and untick it. I don't need a small little company,making my personal choices for me. They don't stumble and interact,like we do. I know what works for me.
As for too many subscriptions,affecting my stumbles...I haven't had a radom stumble in over a year.I get all shares in my stumblebar,from all of my friends. Plus all the conversations,that are going on with them that way. My friends send me better stumbles them I ever got randomly. But I guess SU,just wants us to keep clicking that stumble button,so they can make money.Maybe thats why they removed friends,because we just don't click that button enough for them anymore.Just like real life,the day I can't decide things for myself...I'm gone. I'm an adult.I don't like being treated like a child! -
Ummm ... I wasn't suggesting SU decide anything for you, was I ? I wasn;t saying anything directed at you particularly at all. It was a general observation about discussions I'd seen before and wondering if it still applied in V4. Clearly the number and type of subscriptions anyone makes has a direct effect on the quality of their stumbling experience. I don't know the answer to whether theres an 'optimum' number, as I said, and even if there is its mostly of academic interest only. I simply wondered if anyone else knew the answer.
As for all the rest of it .. well yes. You don't like some of the changes. I get that. Others do like the changes. I hope you get that. All we can do on some points is agree politely to differ. Hopefully it'll all settle down soon and we can enjoy our stumbling. -
Inappropriate?Ellie,that is part of the problem,with doing away with our friends.I made a lot of friends,from all over the world this year.They are friends,I didn't want to subscribe to,but share stumbles with,when it's something about their part of the world. I also,made a lot of friends,from before the election. But I don't want to receive politics in my stumbles. But I constantly ,share with these people and chat overhead too. I could go on,about other topics,but you get the point:)
Friends ad up fast.Plus our old mutuals,from back in V2.
I don't want 200+ dear friends,to vanish.It should be my choice to remove a friend.Su can't, just remove friends,the day,they switch over. Not only,is that not right,but there will be even more upset people, if that happens. We had been told, that we could have 500 friends and subscribe to 500 people. We all followed the rules. I followed the rules.To change the rules,now,and break all the friendships, we have already made,is wrong. The only way,I can see to keep all of our friends,is to increase,how many we can subscribe to.
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"I don't want 200+ dear friends,to vanish"
Take a screen shot of your friends list, When the change rolls over, figure out who you are most interested in. Having to go to all of these profiles to make that determination may redefine the concept of "dear friend" with "random internet aquaintence." -
All of my friends mean something to me.. Close,dear,best friend,good friend,sweet friend.etc. If they didn't mean anything to me,they would not be on my friend list. I'm not going to just unclick,200 friends,then tell them,I don't care enough about them,as I do the other 500 friends,I keep on my list.
Let SU,just chop them off my list. Then when they are upset,I will tell them to write to feedback. SU can then explain to them,why they can no longer be my friend.
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Inappropriate?The funny thing about all of this is that SU released v4 to be more social, but they removed the word "friends" from the site.
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That's the hole that SU dug itself. By making it less social while calling it more social, they have proven the lack of thought which has gone into these horrible changes.
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Inappropriate?Good point Geeknik. It would be funny,if only is wasn't so sad.Sad to watch 100's of your friends just vanish,on the big day:(
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Inappropriate?Well personally I'm much happier that SUs gone back to having a single relationship based on content, with shares more logically associated with that. Thats encouraged me to stick with SU where I'd been wavering before. But I think everything that could possibly be said on that subject already has been and the two sides of the 'friends' debate can only agree to differ :) .
I do think its a valid point though to ask what the limit (if any) on subscriptions is in order to help manage the transition.
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Inappropriate?Well,you know,I have been wavering,so I doubt,I'll be wasting as many hours here now. As for my sharing,with friends.That was all about content. Only things,I found or read,that would be of interest to them. Personal content,shared with dear friends. But enough about that.
If SU just rolls friends over,like they did,when V3 came out,then I get to keep all of my friends. If they raise the limit,we can subscribe to,to 1000,then I can keep all my friends too. I just wish they would give us an official answer:)
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Inappropriate?I agree with LLBwwb, even though my numbers are no where near that, I know several people whose situation is similar to her's. If they are going to lump two categories together, then they need to increase the bottom line number to accommodate the change.
I’m still rolling my eyes at all this....
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Inappropriate?How many more days before we get an answer, I wonder? Does anybody know the answer? We really need to know the rules so we can make plans,and decide what to do. This is really, really important for the stumblers that have lots of subscribers.
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Inappropriate?Maybe SU,just doesn't care about this issue. I tried subscribing to a few people tonite,and that created a new bug. Now I need to search the threads to see if,THAT has been reported yet.
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Inappropriate?About a year ago, when friends and subscribers were split, I think Eric said in one of the forums that the limits was 500 friends and 500 subscribers *for now* (now being then).
So I'm guessing it's going to at least be 500, but since they are currently showing friends, maybe it is as high as 1000.
But come on, SU, why do I have to get down my crystal ball to get an answer here? Can't one of the developers just answer this? Is there some protocol where community support filters the questions and then an answer comes down from the developers on high?
The fact that this question has gone unanswered for so long now makes me wonder if GetSatisfaction is just another padded cell like the core forums meant to give users the illusion they are being listened to, that only CH and Mon read the threads, and that in order to identify trouble makers (bows) and malcontents.
We shouldn't have to do a brute force test to figure this out. Please communicate.
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Inappropriate?For them not to answer this thread,means they either don't know,or don't care. We all assumed 1000,but nobody is answering. This is causing more work and stress then it's worth now. SU,used to be fun to sign on before I went to bed. Stumble,make friends and chat.
This isn't what I signed up for,and it's not fun anymore.
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Inappropriate?I certainly feel the same way I used to say that SU was much better than face book but now I am rethinking the whole thing, I was having fun but with this switch and I do not do code, etc. just read people's blogs, looked at photos, etc. BORING, NO COLORS, NO BACKGROUND
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Inappropriate?Hey...never mind...it took me 7 tries to get in here... :-} I AGREE with LLBwwb's concerns 1K% and really would like an answer to this...possibly before I turn white because I am almost gray now from all the changes... Thank you to anyone who is listening...
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Inappropriate?Yamaska,it took me 5-6 times to finally get registered. I'd say have fun,but it's not a real fun place:( We just want some answers,so that we know, what we need to do to make this V4 work for us. Good thing I didn't hold my breath,waiting for an answer,or I'd be blue now.Oh wait,I think I'd be dead,since SU isn't answering this one:))
I’m getting tired of wasting my time.
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Inappropriate?I want answers too!! SU so many people are going to leave unless you scrap this V4 thing and start over in your thinking. It looks terrible and you add new people. It will just go down the drain or is that your intent? So much time spent and the new interface looks like crap!..Perhaps you are making room for advertisers.I don't want to leave but I will !!!
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The problem is, they lose some and gain some every time they introduce a new version so they don't get that this time is different because of the FRIENDS issue and thus will lose more than ever and without gaining new customers.
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Inappropriate?This whole new SU is just crazy. I lost a lot of good friends and now you have to do all sorts of other things just to retain your subscribers. There should be NO limit to the amount of subscribers we are allowed. Is SU suddenly playing God?1 Comment Add a comment
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God is not this cruel, SU is apparently in league with Satan now.
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Inappropriate?When are you going to answer this question? People need to know. Please have a meeting and decide if you haven't already. Thank you.
How can people mark this answers the question on people's answers. This question has not been answered at all. Maybe a get satisfaction flaw?
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Inappropriate?"Is SU suddenly playing God? " Not suddenly. And, after all, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
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Inappropriate?@DAngel- 20 days and counting. Now it's a weekend,so I doubt they will answer this question.
I think people must say it answers the question,meaning they also want to know? Or in support of the question asked?I notice a lot of people joining,but not posting. Maybe they just click,if they have the same question as you?A lot of people are too shy to post in forums.
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Inappropriate?i gleaned this from a previous post of yours
"I haven't had a random stumble in over a year.I get all shares in my stumblebar,from all of my friends."
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Inappropriate?NO,I would never remove my subscriptions!! Number one,they are all my friends. Number two,if I ever get a day,when I can get thru my stumbles,then I will get stumbles from them!
Since our friends have now become our subscribers,and mutual subscribers are now friends,why in the world would I want to remove them! Every person means something to me,or they wouldn't be on my list.
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Inappropriate?This question has not been answered, despite having been labeled as such
Okay, by brute force I know that it currently max's out at 500 in both versions with a promise of a higher limit later, but no exact number:
Sorry you can not subscribe to ____'s favorites at this time. Please try again later.
So we know:
1. It's 500 now.
2. It's in the design to increase the limit.
We still don't know:
1. When or if that promise will be fulfilled.
2.. If there's a magic number such as 1000, or
3. If there's an open limit but you can only subscribe to 25 a day.
The current 25 a day limit is, I think, supposed to deter spam subscriptions designed to get you back to their page (where I hope we're all flagging obvious spam).
I’m feeling heuristic.
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Inappropriate?its all a big headache and I feel there is a lot of money involved here, notice how often we are directed to FaceBook and Twitter, and I feel e-bay is in there somewhere. All they need to do is give a CLEAR SIMPLE ANSWER, and they are avoiding that, the powers that be should remember no matter how smart they are there is always someone smarter, so pull up your socks SU!
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Inappropriate?The code for subscriptions has not changed. You are still limited to have a maximum of 500 subscriptions. In the new system that maps out to potentially having 500 people to direct-share with.
This limit may change in the future, but I do not have any clear indication or knowledge of that.
Apologies for the belated reply. We did not avoid your question, we just wanted to make sure we are well-informed, to avoid distributing inaccurate information to the community.
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Perhaps something like this, the same day would have been appropriate?
"Dear Stumblers, Thank you for your question! We are not avoiding your question, we just want to make sure we are well-informed, to avoid distributing inaccurate information to the community. We will answer this question shortly as soon as we are sure about the information. Thank you and BTW, we'll seriously consider giving you your friends back thanks to all the feedback we've received alerting us to the error of our ways" -
I might have agreed with you if you hadn't included that last sentence, but pushing that issue in this topic will at best do little/nothing and at worst get your comment deleted (even tough that's unlikely to happen).
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Inappropriate?I don't understand Monica? Did you mean we can subscribe to just 500 people period? Or have 500 we subscribe to,plus share with?(our old friends)
Right now I have 400+ I subscribe to,plus mutually send/accept shares.They used to be called friends. I also have 300+ that I subscribe to.Most are mutual,but we don't share To me,they are still friends,even tho it's not by an official tick.
What I guess I'm asking,is..am I going to, have to go unsubscribe,from those 300 people? Or not be friends,with some of the 400+ people? Since my total subscriptions is 700+,in one form or another,what am I suppose to do? It used to be we could have 500 friends,plus could subscribe to 500 people. That totals 1000. My number right now,is about 700.Can I keep those 700 people? Will they all just roll over in V4 like they did in V3? What will happen,if I just leave things like they are right now? This is so confusing.
I know you have a hard job,trying to answer all of us and make everyone happy. You've been doing a great job,Monica,so please don't take this personally.I sure don't want to make your job any harder. I'm just so confused about this issue.If the number really is only 500,there is going to be 300, very unhappy and sad friends,if I have to go unsubscribe from them:((
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Tomorrow I will post an extensive reply to the question why we put a cap on subscriptions at 500. I have it almost ready - there is a good argument why a limit is necessary. Thanks for your patience. :)
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Inappropriate?I agree with LLBwwb's question it is not clear to me as a person who just joined the social part of this a few months ago and find lots of things confusing. I am sure she does not want to lose any friends and I am sorry that we are not, as far as I understand, getting a more direct answer. Thank you all for your time and attention in understanding about our friends v. subscriptions at this time.
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Inappropriate?I don't want to answer for Monica but it seems to me it's 500 total still.
That would mean subscribers and subscribers you can share with, just 500.
I would consider trimming your list down to 500 total, if they change that or up it you can always go back and re add people again.
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Inappropriate?well if thats the case,SU has now,gotten the whole community,fighting with each other.
Let the unfriending begin!
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LOL, I just had to unfriend, unsubscribe and block a psycho Stumbler who didn't appreciate or understand the Marketing comparison of New Coke and SU and scolded me with extreme prejudice for having the nerve to not have read her memo regarding her share guidelines. Oye!
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Inappropriate?The bottom line is that this is the only social network that limits the number of people we can interact with. I think it is stupid. I am really losing interest in Stumble Upon for that reason.
I think they need to lighten up if they want to be in serious competition with other social networking sites.
After all, it is only a matter of time before an SU clone makes the scene.......
I’m angry
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"it is only a matter of time before an SU clone makes the scene......."
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Inappropriate?It's getting very sad,that this new SU,is now making friend,turn against friend. It would be nice,if we all remember,that not all of us like,some or all of the features. That we can disagree with each other,and not take it personal. Yes,I know. Easier said then done.It has now become sad to be here,instead of happy.
I have a suggestion,for all SU staff. Last nite,I went and unfriended,10 innocent people.They will have no idea why I did it. Each click made me more sad,as a friend just vanished. Yes,I lost something. I lost a little piece of my heart,with the loss of each friend. So to the staff,I respectfully suggest,you go to your friend list. Unfriend the people ,that you work with each day. Even tho,they are still there in the office with you everyday. Click ,that unfriend button ,10 times.See what it feels like.See,if that doesn't affect you. But don't add them back. You have to wait for an official answer,like we do. And if you don't go over the limit,or have more then 500.Don't put your friends back on your list,otherwise you will miss this feeling. Not only was I sad,but sick to my stomach,as I did this last nite.
So SU,with all respect,I ask you to test this for yourselves.Don't take my word for it.I think it is something you can only understand,once you actually feel it for yourselves.
I’m sad
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Inappropriate?Okay, I'm doing an about-face here. I'm not currently running for political office so I can do that.
So many people want "friends" that I think it should be kept. And I think LLBwwb makes a good argument for feelings. Like Suzy Orman says: People first, then money, then things.
So I am in support of "friends" with some reservations:
I do think it should be private. That shouldn't make anyone upset if it really is about relationships and not about high school factionalism with gangs of "friends" touring the net and mass flagging and the other antics we've seen with "friends".
No additional weight should be given to friends. It's totally personal. Friends don't appear in subscription lists, and they don't have any "functionality" except that they get labeled as friends. A friend cannot send you things unless you explicitly enable that feature.
It would function this way: A stumbler designates another as a friend. The designated friend gets a notification of the fact and designate friend back or not. Only the two stumblers see the friend thingie.
"Friend" would mean "friend" and no more. It wouldn't be an attraction to spammers because it would only be known to the two people in the relationship.
And there would be no such thing as a "friend request", especially from people who can't take the time to introduce themselves to you or get to know you. Sleazy Bible quotes from Corinthians don't count. I get "unfriended" by the love brigade with that one.
I’m able to change my mind.
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Inappropriate?I'm afraid I'm still against adding extra complication back into SU before at least giving this new version a fair try first.
Other networks manage well with one type of relationship but during its ebay era SU experimented with trying to run two different kinds in parallel, offering new users the choice of either or both. It resulted in confusion and a fundamental shift in the way SU was being used and the cores for the last year were full of the problems it caused. By introducing a simpler single relationship that better reflected their primary functions of content discovery and sharing with V4 SU showed they had actually been listening to their users and addressing the problems they had identified.
The arguments have been made many times that nobody loses any real friends with V4 and all of the tools necessary to sustain existing frienships and make new ones are there in V4. If it would be helpful to anyone I've got absolutely no problem with something like a totally private 'best buddy' list that someone could add to or delete from at will for their own personal convenience so they could see a selected group of people easily but I think trying to introduce any more complication than that into the system would be a retrograde step.
But thats just my opinion and I'm sure we can all agree to differ on this and any other subject here with good will (whoever he might be) .:)
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Inappropriate?I could live with that. I wasn't even posting in the friends thread for the first 2 weeks or so. I understood the concept,and even explained it to people.But when that new friends box,came out,and I saw how many friends I was going to lose.....it upset me.
I had hoped they would just roll it over,like they did last time. And had thought the limit was 1000 combined. But there is nothing like going to a friend's page,and clicking to unfriend,10 times, to FEEL that. Words are cheap,as they say. Go do it. Feel it. If you care about that friend,trust me,you feel,sick when you click that unfriend button. Of course the people who clicked add as friend and sent friends requests to ,people for no reason,well that's different. I doubt they even know what this thread is about.
Like it or not,SU is a real community.People have real feelings about other people here. Not only friendship,but I know more then a few people,that have met here and even gotten married!
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?sounds like the same old story, some are picked and some are not!I think they are confused themselves and probably have little black things rolling around in their heads banging into each other, they need to be bored for the simples to let them fall out and let some sense in!!!!
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Inappropriate?@Ellie
It was not, in my opinion, that there were two relationships running in parallel. It was that "friends" took precedence and was weighted more heavily in algorithms than "subscribers". "Friends" showed up in "is subscribed to" more than "subscriptions", which made it very attractive for spammers to want to friend you.
I daily get "friend requests" from people who won't take the time to introduce themselves to me. SU encourages this with the "Add as a friend" button that people see when they are not logged in.
I am fine with "friends" if it is a hidden feature that carries *no* weight and is really about "relationships". But I have this cynical hunch that the many people clamoring for friends don't want that.
I am hoping the extensibility devs will make a script that I can use to identify "true friends" that is not widely visible.
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Inappropriate?I had to unsubscribe 100 people yesterday, and it was not a good feeling. I kept my true friends first (the ones that really shared with me and talked to me and cared about me) which added up to 215 and I had 395 subscriptions to people I liked including most of my friends. I had to drop 110 subscriptions, and yes, I did drop a few friends in the last few weeks that never spoke to me, wrote me, or shared with me. A few didn't even like me and I could tell so they should not be upset. They never gave me the time of day or had sent me the first send.
I am now in limit, and I am sad I had to lose anybody. I kept real friends first, next I kept subs that were not friends, but were subscribed to me & I subscribed to as well, the first to go were people I was subscribed to that were not subscribed to me that I hoped to be friends with eventually. :(
People I unsubscribed from came to my page and I feel awful about it, but that is the rule and they should blame SU, not me! I was really hoping to eventually be friends with those people. I was afraid if I did not pick SU would start dumping my good friends for me.
Maybe Monica call tell me if I did what the company wanted. Did I do what I was supposed to do Monica?? I want to know. I have some people upset with me now, Monica. Have you had to drop anybody Monica? It is a horrible feeling to unsub somebody and have them come to your page. I guess they think they did something wrong, but they didn't. It is just the sad state of affairs around here with this 500 total subscription limit. Monica please answer me.
How much fun is stumbling going to be now, when I cannot subscribe to anybody else, or make new friends?? What am I supposed to do with myself now? Just click that stumble button time after time like a rat in a maze. I an not allowed to make any new friends and or to subscribe to anybody else. What do I do now for fun?
I’m heartbroken
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Inappropriate?I can't keep up with all my mutuals. You're not going to lose any friends so don't delete anyone. You will have 500 mutuals and 500 people you can subscribe to. Just like in V3.
I’m happy
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"The code for subscriptions has not changed. You are still limited to have a maximum of 500 subscriptions. In the new system that maps out to potentially having 500 people to direct-share with." So you're wrong, it's not 500 subs+500 mutuals, it's 500 subs including mutuals.
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Inappropriate?Betsy,that's what I thought too.Until Monica replied to this thread last week.She said we can subscribe to 500 people. I was confused,and asked a few more questions,as that will make me lose 200+ friends,in one form or another. Monica posted higher up in this thread,that she is writing a more in depth letter for us all. I'm waiting for her to post it,before I get myself more upset. It was very painful,to unfreind or subscribe,from 10 people,so I just stopped.
I would like to see SU,just roll over all of our friends and mutuals,like they did last time. Maybe it is only me,but I am so confused by all of this.I need a break from it. Sadly,3 more of my friends deleted their accounts yesterday. At the rate friends are deleting their accounts,and leaving SU,I may not have to worry about the 500 limit,if this keeps up:((
I’m sad and not thinking about it anymore
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Inappropriate?"The code for subscriptions has not changed. You are still limited to have a maximum of 500 subscriptions. In the new system that maps out to potentially having 500 people to direct-share with."
Nothing has changed. No one can have more than 500 subscriptions but more than 500 people can be subscribed to you.
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Inappropriate?Apologies for the belated reply. Here is the more in-depth comment that I was planning on posting a few days ago. It's not rocket science, it's quite common-sense actually:
There are some practical constraints that are related to the Recommendation Engine and the recommend methods we use to supply quality stumbles to our users. These constraints force us to put a cap on the number of Subscriptions a user can have.
Unless you stumble many thousands of times per month, having more than 500 Subscriptions would make it difficult to see even one recommendation from each of them. We might never be able to figure out algorithmically whether sites we show you from one particular Subscription are better or more appropriate for you compared to other ones. Even at 500, most people will never see anything from some of their subscriptions.
For users who rarely stumble, but blog more, this is not quite a concern. But for users who stumble a lot, the quality of sites they get from us is very important.
It should not be hard to pick out 500 people whose content you absolutely love, right?
It's not excluded that this limit may change in the future. Your requests for this cap to be increased have made their way into our QA system, for future evaluation.
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Inappropriate?At 25,000+, thumbs up only,I thought I *did* stumble a lot. In just a little over one year.I've never complained about the quality of my stumbles. I've been very happy with what I got.
I guess it's time to go unfriend,and unsubscribe to 200+ friends. So to any of you reading this thread,don't take it personal.I care about all of my friends and mutual subscribers. SU,has said I'm not allowed to subscribe to all of you.This is not my choice,and i will still think of you as friends,even while I click that,unsubcribe button. This feels like my Mother,telling me,I'm not allowed to play with the kid down the street.
No the new SU ,is not very Social at all. Not to mention,changing the rules in the middle of the game. I played by the rules. That just got me,the loss of 200 people I care about:((
I’m sad and disgusted
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Inappropriate?Thank you Monica for the belated reply and the more in-depth comment that you were planning on posting more than quite a few days ago. Your response seems more like rocket science than common-sense actually: I imagine there are very few practical constraints that are related to the Recommendation Engine and the recommend methods you use to supply quality stumbles to your users. It's my understanding that the lack of constraints force you to claim you need to put a cap on the number of Subscriptions a user can have. Unless we stumble many thousands of times per month less the amount previously described before there were the necessary changes to outcome, having more than 500 Subscriptions would make it difficult to see even one recommendation from each of them. I imagine you might never be able to figure out algorithmically whether sites you show us from one particular Subscription are better or more appropriate for us compared to other ones. Even at 500, most of us will never see anything from some of our subscriptions. For users who rarely stumble, but blog more, this is quite a concern. But for users who stumble a lot, the quality of sites we get from you is not very important. It is quite difficult for many of us to pick out only 500 people whose content we absolutely love and discard the rest, don't you agree Monica? If this ridiculous, arbitrary and unfair policy changes in the future, please let me know so that I can consider returning to the site I used to love so much, assuming I haven't found a replacement by then.
I’m Frustrated
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Inappropriate?I dont know if I am missing something but I have spoken to many stumblers without them being labelled as 'friend' or 'subscriber'.
It is good to talk talk.
I also enjoy looking at my own pages.
I’m Friendly
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@Annmarie.the point I have been making,is that I have to remove 200+friends off my list. Not only does that upset me,but it is painful to remove,people you care about. Imagine you were my friend,on my friend list. Then I came to your page and removed you as my friend. For no reason. Imagine how you would feel and think. You would wonder what you had done,to make me unfriend you. Friends are real people with real feelings. Personally,I don't like hurting peoples' feelings,and would never do this to my friends. I am only speaking about the friends I already had,and now have to remove.I find it very painful and upsetting to do:(
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Inappropriate?"Unless you stumble many thousands of times per month, having more than 500 Subscriptions would make it difficult to see even one recommendation from each of them. We might never be able to figure out algorithmically whether sites we show you from one particular Subscription are better or more appropriate for you compared to other ones."
This assumes that all of your subscriptions discover and add unique content. I have not found that to be true. Moreover, there is clearly a "karma" factor that weights the popularity of discoveries so you are more likely to get "popular" content when you stumble, not a serial discovery or favorite from each of your subscriptions. And not all of one's subscriptions are actively stumbling.
A little more than a year ago, in the core forums, the answer was "500 *for now*" and from a private conversation I had with a staff member, it was slated to be increased to 1000. This has been revised, per Monica, to be 500 subscriptions and you can share with up to 500 of those.
This seems more like the line of "easiest to code in order to get the release out" than a well-thought out enhancement. I'm actually okay with that.
But it isn't logical, it isn't an enhancement, and the option to receive shares from so many subscriptions sure isn't anything I need or want.
In an ideal world, I could group my subscriptions and stumble that group. So on a science day, stumble science subscriptions and on a poetry day, poetry subscriptions. Similar to the once-discussed, "send to group" functionality that was also promised.
I’m not really buying this.
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Inappropriate?@LLBwwb, I am really sorry that you are upset. I have been fond of friends who have just closed their a/c's down without saying 'Bye'.
It maybe wise to not take su so seriously as it is only cyberspace.
I’m wishing you well
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