HELP!! Arrows won't work in tap tap!

Hi, we verified it is the 3.0, becuase the arrows worked fine on 2.1.1 itouch and stopped working after going to 3.0 this morning... So it must be the 3.0, nothing else was changed. ( Delete or Edit)

it seems to depend on songs and specific arrows... for example: something we're becoming registers every shake and in the sound of settling the last middle-row arrow doesnt register... I'll try later if that's always the same, but thats how it was the last few times (about 5times (?)) i played these songs (offline, but seems to be quite the same online... difference is only that online game adds several dropped spheres)... and if it really is like that, I'll be able to play online again (guess i'm addicted) as long as i choose the songs according to that (lost quite some points the last days)...
idk if it's the same for every device, but probably it helps... ( Delete or Edit)

18 days is registering every arrow for me... ( Delete or Edit)

But can you hit them all green or light blue? I can get them all to register sometimes, but when there are a few in a row, a single shake left will also trigger the next arrow on the right to hit, although it's a near miss because it turns red. When that happens, one of the following arrows often won't register. If I try to use lighter, quicker shakes (which used to work), it won't register.

One thing for sure is that on all the devices I have, arrows consistently behave poorly on this song. The behavior is less consistent in other songs.

I wonder if Apple changed something in the accelerometer filtering? There could also be some code in TTR that is too dependent on some unspecified timing in Apple OS for accelerometer event handling. ( Delete or Edit)

I just Deleted & re-downloaded 18 Days to see if that made any difference. Nope.

About in the middle of the song, there are groups of 3 arrows - left, right, then center. The problems don't start until after the first group of 3 for some reason.

When I shake left for the first arrow, the left target goes green immediately (properly) followed by the right target going red BEFORE the right arrow reaches the target. Since it appeared to register, I wasn't shaking right & would lose my streak. If I do shake right on time, I can continue without losing my streak, but the next few arrows don't respond correctly.

My guess is that the timing window for arrows is fairly large, causing some overlap on when a shake is considered valid. This, combined with the messed up display feedback, causes me to then shake early, later, harder, or whatever. I still think Apple changed accelerometer filtering too. Maybe TTR can make the "valid shake window" tighter now.

There's definitely a problem here - it's not just me! I just FC'd it again, but it wasn't pretty. ( Delete or Edit)

Yes everyone is having this problem in a minor to major way. ( Delete or Edit)

I just downgraded my iPod Touch from Apple OS 3.0 to 2.2 & it DID NOT completely solve ANYof these problems! It is playable again, but not like it was before installing Apple OS 3.0. I'm still seeing dropped taps & arrows! This is REALLY bizarre!

Maybe it has something to do with the "baseband" portion of the firmware which apparently cannot be downgraded. Either that or the interaction between the OS & baseband. Worst case scenario I suppose is Apple OS 3.0 actually damaged the hardware (seem really unlikely).

This is some really really really weird stuff! Maybe I'll try downgrading even further to OS 2.0. ( Delete or Edit)

Woot @ not upgrading mine in the first place :-P ( Delete or Edit)

No doubt. What firmware version do you have right now? 1st or 2nd generation iPod Touch? What version of TTR2? ( Delete or Edit)

Oh, one thing that is different is that the songs download MUCH faster & without interruption. I had to download them all again. The last time I tried this, I could only get a few songs at a time. This time it downloaded like it did a long time ago. This could have nothing to do with the firmware though. ( Delete or Edit)

Not quite. 18 Days froze when I first tried to play it. Had to Delete & download again. Same with Rude Boy Come Test.

It's really late. I need to get some sleep & spend more time with this before I post too much. ( Delete or Edit)

well 2.2.1, 1st gen ipod, and I've never had constant issues with arrows on TTR2 (now, sometimes they go wacky, but then I restart the game and it's almost always fine) ( Delete or Edit)

I have 2g iTouch. I tried to downgrade 3.0 back to 2.1 yesterday, I got error message during loading process, completely restore it again and again. it I am stuck with 3.0... Today I am playing TT with my iphone 3Gs instead, they both suck, at least the graphic is smoother. Very sad. BTW, I have the same problem with 18 days online as well. ( Delete or Edit)

Are you familiar with the firmware downgrade procedure? It's not really documented very well anywhere, but you have to be sure your device is in "DFU Mode," not "Recovery Mode." Then you can downgrade the firmware, assuming you have the proper firmware file (they are different for iPhone vs. iPod). ( Delete or Edit)

So you have no problems with ANY of the arrows in 18 Days? There are at least 2 that I absolutely cannot hit green (or even light blue) no matter what. They are almost always red because there are 2 in a row & shaking the first one causes the 2nd to turn red. This still happens even after downgrading the firmware on my iPod Touch 2G! ( Delete or Edit)

still seems like a difference to me between having problems getting them to register and having problems getting them green. Nechunra's saying he doesn't have trouble getting them to register. Different issue than them being too close together ( Delete or Edit)

I suppose it's a different issue by definition, but I guarantee they're related. It's just how the hardware & Apple OS works! Regardless of how you describe it, more careful filtering of accelerometer events in TTR should be able to eliminate the issues with arrows.

Now that I've downgraded my iPod Touch 2G to Apple OS 2.2 & still see the same issues with TTR2.6.2, I'm not convinced Apple OS 3.0 is entirely to blame. No doubt there were changes in Apple OS 3.0 that did have an effect on TTR, but I now suspect those changes may have only better exposed poorly written portions of the TTR software. I hope it's just a matter of the OS evolving faster than Tapulous can keep up. Maybe the OS 3.1 TTR 3.x combo will finally get it right! Impatient fingers crossed! :) ( Delete or Edit)

Wait, what? I'm not sure I understand. One out of every 35 taps causes you to miss? Other than that it's perfect? Other than that it's perfect? A problem every 35 taps isn't even in the neighborhood of perfect.

That's insane.

I thought mine was bad, but you've got me beat. It depends a lot on the song, but I think my iPhone 3G might have degraded to the point that it's averaging a dropped tap every 200 or 250 when playing online (far far fewer offline). If mine was dropping every 35, I'm sure I'd have crushed it under my heel by now.

I'm about to try deleting TTR and reinstalling to see if that manages to help at all. I hate to lose my data, but I've lost hundred of points online now, and with the dropped taps like they are on my device, I'm never going to get the points back. ( Delete or Edit)

Don't do it. I lost all my data last week when i tried to add my account to my 3Gs iphone. I have to started all over from no stars back to 3 stars and then dropped back to 2 stars after my itouch upgrade yesterday. I also lost all 30000+ Tapulous Points. I think I am worse than you... :(

I also noticed that there was no 3 stars ranking playing online anymore...

How to made the shake easier? I have very shake a lot harder to get it register. ( Delete or Edit)

Were you not able to get logged in with your same account, janus roys? Maybe I don't have a clear grasp of what all gets lost with a reinstall, though. My understanding is the Tapulous Points would remain, your placements on the global leaderboards would remain, and your online ranking would remain. What would get lost are all the songs you've downloaded and your personal high scores.

That said, there have been a number of people reporting some lost Tapulous points lately, which I believe happened with a recent glitch of the Tapulous servers. I'm pretty sure Tapulous was looking into that, but I don't know what progress was made.

The shakes are really something these days. One day I have to practically throw my phone across the room to get them to register, then another day (like today for example), I barely have to rock my phone a little to get the arrows to go. I can make no sense of it. ( Delete or Edit)

I believe when i logged back in, the original account is gone. I know that because one of my favorite song, i got a globe ranking #4, when i played again yesterday, I rank #5 and #4. If it is the same account, it will overwrite. Now I can see 2 identical name appeared. I don't know... It might be my mistake to delete my account when I added additional device. Anyway, too sad to lost all point and now lost ranking as well. I hope it wont happen to you. ( Delete or Edit)

Ah, that makes much more sense. I couldn't believe someone would use the word "perfect" in a sentence about a dropped tap every 35. P-oed wouldn't even begin to describe it. I'm p-oed, and mine isn't nearly that bad.

But shakes, yeah, that's a far different situation than taps. My shakes are extraordinarily good today, but the taps worse than usual. I'd far prefer it the opposite. ( Delete or Edit)

thats so weird, for me Taps that I considder to be dropped when I actualyl think about them I realize that theres about a 60% chance that it was my fault and therfore I think of it that way... just me though <_>< ( Delete or Edit)

I think it's vastly different on different devices. Some people are having nearly no problems while others are having big problems.

When I think there was any chance it was me, I don't consider it a dropped tap. I'm not afraid to admit my mistakes and not the kind of person who thinks she's better than she is.

Sometimes (on songs that are less frantic) I can see it happen on taps that end up near-misses: my fingers go down on the taps, lift back up from the taps, then the splash happens, and the target will go dark blue or orange. If the tap recorded just a teeny tiny bit later, it would record as a miss even though I squarely hit it. I have no doubt that this is happening on a lot of the missed taps.

Also, sometimes a target will go red even though there hasn't been a tap in that row for several beats. Unless that's a song with an invisible tap (which I understand there are some out there), I couldn't possibly have missed it. Unfortunately, I don't have a good enough memory to know if there's any consistency to this sort of "miss," so I'm not at all sure if these are due to those invisible taps or not.

Also sometimes, one row (generally the left) will stop registering altogether for one, two, eight seconds.

So, yes, while it is possible that I may occasionally assume I hit something I missed, I know for a fact that the game is missing taps (and sometimes arrows as well). And it's been getting worse and worse. Songs I used to FC every time now I can't do better than 8 or 12 missed notes, EVER? It really seems unlikely. My game offline has gotten better and better, so it's hard to imagine that my game online is now significantly worse.

So, anyway, I guess I'm just trying to say that those of us out here complaining of dropped taps, it's not because we're bad sports -- the game is really malfunctioning significantly on some devices. If it's not bad on yours, just count your blessings. :) ( Delete or Edit)

I can relate to most everything jkatj just said ( Delete or Edit)

I say you should send a thank-you prayer up to the Tapulous gods. I was playing earlier and was having a dropped tap every 75-100 taps, which is beyond insane. Fortunately, it's rarely that bad. Like I said, I think in general when playing online it drops one tap every 200-250 on my device. Offline, on an extreme song, it only drops about one per song. ( Delete or Edit)

I have also seen the "invisible" taps, usually in the center row. There is no way you can "miss" what isn't there! Yet...streak broken. ( Delete or Edit)

It's not only that its like double tap, like u have to double tap one single tap in the middle row i think i've seen it on Omen Extreme. ( Delete or Edit)

Same here regarding "invisible taps" in the center row. I'm not 100% sure they aren't related to a miss or near-miss in one of the other lanes though. I definitely see this happen more often in Extreme type songs but I swear I've seen it in much easier songs - I just don't play those very often either. ( Delete or Edit)

But really to be fair, I've seen it go the other way too. I've been in revenge mode...missed a tap, and the streak continued. Most recently on the hard version of Panic Switch. I played it alot yesterday and had it happen more than once (lucky me). ( Delete or Edit)

I think I've seen this happen twice too, but I've never mentioned it because I wasn't sure. ( Delete or Edit)

When you just start revenge mode, the next few seconds you cannot break your streak. ( Delete or Edit)

Duh... :) It's not that for me, but I'm not sure enough about the freebie to claim I was positive it happened. I think it did, but I'm not positive. ( Delete or Edit)

well not everybody knows that :P
I didn't for a long time, and was confused as to why it was happening ( Delete or Edit)

I caught onto that right away, but one thing I didn't realize was that you still had to hit the tappers correctly during the "grace period" to get full points.

It's also funny how the tap count goes up with every tap during that time but your score stays the same. Seems like it should go down like usual, just not lose Revenge. ( Delete or Edit)

hehe, yeah at one point I tested to see if you could get the device to say 101%... by say, tapping 3 extra times in that period in a normally 300-streak song hehe.
Didn't work though :P ( Delete or Edit)

I just had the Phantom Tap in the Center Lane issue on Magnetic Baby online. It wasn't in the harder portions of the song either. I definitely didn't have a miss or even a near-miss in an adjacent lane. The center lane just turned red when I hit a tapper in the right lane, on time, losing my streak & another 11 points too. ( Delete or Edit)