Is @panopticons abusing the Terms of Service
It seems @panopticons is retweeting peoples comments via a bot. This ordinarily would not be a problem but it screws with Tweetscan and other tools
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We're in the process of reviewing the accounts mentioned in this thread and taking appropriate action where needed. We believe that some of the actions taken by the owner of these accounts do constitute a breach of the terms.
I want to emphasize, however, that this is not a judgement about the content posted from these accounts. We do not see it as our job to adjudicate disputes about content between users. That is, we do not think we will be good or effective at determining what is harassing or offensive. Nor do we think these judgements should be left up to majority rule. We think we should provide the tools that allow users to engage or ignore as they see fit.
We believe these accounts are in violation of the terms because the cross posting of updates from multiple accounts is a way to undermine the block and unfollow functions. Twitter is a recipient-driven service and when abusers seek to negate the ability for users to choose what content they receive from other users, they degrade our service. This is the stated intent of the abuser in question in this thread.
Not all of our tools are perfect - we have improvements to make on a number of fronts. And not all of these polices are as transparent as they should be. I've started a separate thread about the policy we intend to support. It lives here.
Thanks for taking a look and helping us think about these issues.
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Inappropriate?The account appears to be owned by @noahdavidsimon, fwiw.
He explains his purpose for creating that account (and many others) in this blogpost
An excerpt from that blogpost:
Eventually I assume most of you will unfollow n block me... but by that point I will have perfected the craft of puppet accounts! puppet accounts can be fed N2 a root account, where I can follow all fools that thought they could block me. there is NO blocking! the final account will take the RSS feed of multiple accounts and run it N2 one account. you will not realize the new account is me.
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this answers the question
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
JIHAD!
my accounts are all dead except for http://twitter.com/yellowpage which they left a paraplegic and can no longer update. JIHAD!
my new account is
http://twitter.com/TheAnalysis
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why Panopticons was created - the modern twitter panopticon of pure transparency has been exposed
http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.co...
I just want to remind twitter that Panopticons was created not to be a nuisance, but rather to remind the community that the transparent architecture of twitter with obvious security pratfalls is no place to solicit support, councilors and so called "advice givers" for our military. EMail our Military claims to screen applicants, but I found them soliciting council in the most hostile on neighborhoods on twitter. Besides the fact that most of the population online is very against the war like Reverend Wright and sympathetic to terrorist action, I'm also concerned as to the mental health of soldiers in the military dealing with such complexities when mere day to day survival are of issue. It is a great irony that twitter deleted Panopticons for architectural in-fractures! Panopticons exposed twitter for hypocrisy and the only reason it was disabled was to censure, which is what twitter should of been doing from the get go with Email our Military. The American prison systems of the late 18th and 19th centuries utilised the notion of the Panopticon - Jeremy Bentham's design that allowed all prisoners to see each other (pan, all; optic, see/observe) and therefore reduce the duty and necessity of prison guards.The original panopticon got the prisoners to work menial jobs whilst all in each other's sight lines, therefore turning the watched and the watchers into one.
The modern twitter panopticon of pure transparency has been exposed. The twitter transparency is only transparent when @Jack wants it to be, and it is very obvious that twitter wants the safety of American youth serving in Iraq to be transparent. There is no doubt that twitter is very hostile to male culture, what better way to surveillance what twitter fears more then anything else? Of course twitter is attempting to hide behind transparency. Of course twitter will claim there in no censorship! That is what a Panopticons is all about. Even facebook has some opaque elements, but twitter is just pure tyranny because what is opaque is arbitrary and dependent on pretensions. -
Inappropriate?I just noticed that the retweeting by the account in question is done using Twitterfeed, which has its own support forum here in GetSatisfaction.
Also, he lists all his Twitter accounts on his site:
http://twitter.com/MediaAnalyses
http://twitter.com/CriticalMedia
http://twitter.com/CriticalAnalyst
http://twitter.com/Objections
http://twitter.com/TheBlackBook
http://twitter.com/avantgarde
http://twitter.com/artspace
http://twitter.com/artforum
http://twitter.com/TheYellowPages
http://twitter.com/YellowBook
http://twitter.com/YellowPage
http://twitter.com/WhitePage
http://twitter.com/WhiteBook
http://twitter.com/BIGCock
http://twitter.com/HUGECock
http://twitter.com/BIGPenis
http://twitter.com/HUGEPenis
http://twitter.com/TheJesus
http://twitter.com/TheGod
http://twitter.com/TheSatan
http://twitter.com/QRU
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next panopticons will be an imaginary friend in friendfeed that uses rss from sneak accounts on twitter. how does that break architecture on twitter? ur thoughts? and will twitter bother to delete the accounts now? the reflection will happen off twitter! -
Inappropriate?The thing is, if he would just lock those account updates away then he can play with the streams till the cows come home. But hes crossing the streams and and thats not a good thing !
I’m amused
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
I'm going to have more fun with your RSS on friendfeed. come join the Twit-Out... we will teach twitter a thing or two about they're pretensions of free expression. See you there! -
Inappropriate?I never blocked Noah, nor have I spoken against him. Blocking panopticons because it is chewing up my RSS didn't help. RSS helps me keep track of @ replies I may have missed. I can't DM him now because he stopped following me, but I fear it will do no good anyway. This is the pain of early adoption. Twitter will have to do something about this kind of thing if they are going to sell the container or market otherwise to businesses.
I’m sad & frustrated.
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
you never blocked Noah... heh heh... I love the lies -
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Inappropriate?We need to leave these sorts of things alone and stop this self-organized policing of Twitter that is highly suspect all on its own.
I have no idea what Panopticons is, why it follows and re-tweets me, or whether it is part of the same sort of secret police style reporting that @PurpleCar does with her @OddFollow and friends whose updates are "protected" only in a group different than hers (which is why she may not like it) or whether it's just some marketing hack scraping data or what it is. But I can't care.
Because the system gives us two tools: unfollow and block. Use them. Stop whining. Leave the system open.
Make an internal system to do group IMs in your own company if you need to chat among yourselves without other people, don't use Twitter. Yahoo Messenger with a group is also an option for those who get so flustered by other people on the Internet.
I’m confident.
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this answers the question
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Inappropriate?He (Noah David Simon (artist - http://www.simonstudio.com/ark/ ), son of Roger Hendricks Simon (acting coach - http://www.simonstudio.com/), brother of David Hendricks Simon (actor - http://www.simonstudio.com/daniel/ and @danielhsimon on Twitter) is clearly using a list of publicly available (ie: non-private) user rss feeds and retweeting them to an ever expanding list of user accounts. If one gets blocked he can easily activate another.
All accounts lead back to a Noah David Simon, who on his blog has an account of his 'bots' going wild [ http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.co... ]
I think 'white hat' hacking is commendable way to expose security and privacy holes in Twitter, but all I see is a black hat with loose marbles.
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
oh the horror! the horror... What a World... What a World... What a World -
hey Kosso... I'm enjoying your girl's RSS in friendfeed. Well not actually... I'm lying. She frankly bores me, but I could if I wanted to. -
Inappropriate?I recently took the decision to block all of noahdavidsimon's twitter accounts. He basically started coming across as a deranged stalker with fairly extreme rightwing views. When his various twitter accounts started crossposting ad infinitum, I blocked them all.
I think the guy is really just trying to mess with people's heads, and I'm simply not interested in his rubbish.
I would like to see twitter do something about the abusiveness inherent in the techniques he's been using to harass and spam people.
And I really don't want to be duped into being followed by this guy anymore. It's all just so unnecessary. -
I agree! There is an open discussion about this on @WiredPig's blog as well as mine. -
DAYNGR JUST PLUGGED IT FOR THE PIGGY...
sound like a good title for BLT sandwich
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Get Satisfaction and Libel - WRONGFUL ACCUSATIONS
also there is a certain matter of "Get Satisfaction"'s right to allow people arbitrarily accuse me of stalking. I'd like to make the case for libel if Get Satisfaction and TWITTER want to be so arbitrary. I want to give an example of "stalking" that is going through the courts in Beverly Hills (where MySpace is based) and let me establish and elaborate why what I am doing is different. Here is the link and I will quote the article here.
L.A. files 'cyber bully' charges against Missouri mother in connection with girl's suicide
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwor...
Lori Drew is accused of creating a fraudulent MySpace persona whose comments may be linked to the teen's death.
differences are the following
(1) it is very clear that all my accounts were in fact me. Everything I did was transparent, as opposed to the actions of TWITTER that took action without informing me.
(2) I never pretended that the accounts were not me.
(3) I never got intimately involved in such a way with any of the above people that I could inflict emotional pain after impersonating another person
(4) frankly it would be a very sad thing if the woman defendant in this case above "IS" convicted. This would open the floodgates for all kinds of accusations that would put innocent people in jail.
(5) (a) if there were architectural breaches and not vile content issues, then the breaches of twitter architecture were not clearly outlined. (b) if the issue is vile speech then why did twitter let me get harangued by Palestinian sympathizers that were clearly anti-Semitic like @MarkDavidson and @QueenofSpain? Certainly @Hamas should be censored then as well.
(6) if the RSS feeds go to an imaginary friend in friendfeed, is this still stalking? Why are my actions an infraction of the architecture and not an infraction of content? -
Inappropriate?This man has emotional issues, in my opinion, and it would be in his and other Twitter users best interest to remove him completely from the service... it may be that he's trying to make a statement by mimicking/symbolising the common, but erroneous notion of Paranoid Schizophrenia via internet generated multiple personalities, or simply trying to make his behaviour look that way, when he is in fact, actually, quite rational. Whatever, he is highly motivated, more than ordinarily so, which suggests some current emotional issues..He's also comparing himself with God, Jesus, Satan, etc and trying to suggest he's very powerful, perhaps omnipotent..cannot be stopped.
I’m fed up with this man
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I agree! There is an open discussion about this on @WiredPig's blog as well as mine.
This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
love the psychological profiles. good start for your police state.
So Dayngr plugs the piggies blog on several threads and "Get Satisfaction" does nothing. More Hypocrisy. It is getting hard to take this serious. -
Inappropriate?This person is obviously thumbing his nose at Twitter and a whole bunch of fun Twitterers. Get him out of here!
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Inappropriate?I fail to see why his family members should have any bearing on judging his behaviour. Is this some kind of Kangaroo Court here run by village "elders" we didn't elect? What about due process?
I also fail to understand how judgements about the defendant's mental capacity or intentions can accurately be made remotely at a distance, without proper medical certification and a face-to-face examination.
I fail to see why somebody overcoming the fussy and school-marmy nature of some echo-chamber A-listers and social media power-marketers is necessarily a "black hat hacker". That is, my mind is definitely open on this, because I hate hacking and griefers, but I want to see what is "griefing" you unless your bitch is that your vanity feed about yourself is "messed up". Don't...have a vanity feed then? Just watch your own feed in real time, when you have the time, just unfollow people who annoy you, and block those who seem to chat at you so that at least in real time they can't see you (and would have to read a page, use the sort of techniques this guy is using, or use Tweetscan).
I'd like to hear a non-emotional, non-judgemental account, please of what it is that this guy does that really constitutes "spam," if you can just unfollow the accounts coming into your view? Awaiting...
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Prok,
Noah David Simon has been saying some pretty hurtful things to me and my fiancee, who also had a run in with him on MySpacem just because she wouldn't add him back. This was a while ago, and has was since banned from MySpace - for other reasons.
He is routing around the blocking feature, which is there for a reason. He has ignored repeated polite multiple requests to remove her from his list of retweeters. It is getting quite upsetting and is beyond a joke now. -
I saw comments he made to Queen of Spain including calling her a "nazi" among other things. He is the Twitter equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. -
No, because Twitter isn't a crowded theater where yelling "fire" has any consequences, it's the Internet. Queenofspain is certainly highly manipulative and controlling. Of course calling anyone a "Nazi" is a quick trip to Godwinism and doesn't build the case. On the other hand, your freaking about this and using it as an example of "abuse" is tenuous, at best. -
Inappropriate?RSS helps me keep track of @ replies I may have missed.
PurpleCar, what you mean to say is -- go ahead, it's ok, everybody does it -- you have a vanity feed. You have a vanity feed not just to "check @s I may have missed* but *to see what other people are saying about you*. Go on, admit it! It's ok! Everyone does it, dear.
Now, in that vanity feed, you apparently find that it burns your eyeballs to see somebody re-tweet your tweets, talk about you when you don't wish them to talk about you, and so on. I would say...let your eye just not fall on subject posts, and keep scrolling. Don't RSS your vanity feed in real time -- there's no objective need for that, say, even if you are running a nerve-pulse Internet Twitter Social Media News Aggregation Hub like Steve Gillmor! Get an intern to watch it, if you are the irritable type : )
Whenever I see panopticons on my Tweetscan view of my vanity need to see my name and the "@s I missed" (i.e. what people are saying about me : )
I just skip over him. He's retweeting me. God knows why. I don't care about him : )
I’m confident
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this answers the question
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Inappropriate?Employees of Twitter watching! I hope your founder of Armenian heritage (if I have understood correctly) will ponder the roots of the police state, which the Armenian people know all too well from their mistreatment at the hands of Turkey and the Soviet Union, and think about the ramifications of caving to self-policing KGB-style police informants cropping up on Twitter.
If you need to cave to A-list bloggers and influencers and power mommybloggers and marketing mavens and such due to your VC capital tie-ins, we understand, but say so. Say that's what you're doing, so we get it, and the social demand for a free public conversation space can move elsewhere to another platform or group of more free minded developers.
Please don't be hasty about putting in the controls these people are asking for -- based on hysterical notions of their reading -- over the Internet (?!) of someone's mental state, their family origins, their possible intent, etc.
And think about the high-level implications of anything that makes people be able to control their vanity feeds in the granularity they wish *if they are influencers and aggregators*.
The control of track on vanity feeds and the control of re-tweeting and following people who "don't want to be followed by you" all have to be seen not as a mere end-user problem, but a high-level system problem when it becomes to create a very powerful group of power users of Twitter who then decide who gets to follow or dissent or talk about them and who gets scrubbed from their influential top-level view.
You have many competing interests to satisfy on Twitter. Try to keep a balance and keep the system open, and urge people to use just unfollow/block and not fuss about their vanity feeds. Let them put deletion/banning/muting controls on their vanity feeds within their personal Gmail, Google-reader, or other third-party aps rather than to make it possible within the Twitter system, with Twitter commands, and as a build-in to any use of Twitter by third-party APIs.
If that's a contradiction in terms, ask them to be less fussy about their vanity feeds : )
Set the tone : )
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?One doesn't need a degree in psychiatry to try understand and comment on the behaviour and apparent motivation of a user; I wasn't attempting to make any kind of clinical judgement, in my previous comment, but simply expressing a point of view on his motivation and modus operandi, one based on what I have seen and read in the Twitter stream, and in some of his other online meanderings.
There is neither a technical reason for my complaint about this individual's behaviour, nor any consideration of vanity, though both of those are actually, not unreasonable, and, certainly harmless. The same cannot be said of the behaviour of this individual.
For myself, it is simply that I do not wish to have an otherwise enjoyable experience ruined by one person being abusive, in very graphic terms, to me and to my friends, making obscene comments and intimidatory remarks, some of which I consider to be, certainly, threatening, and some to border on the pornographic. All the nonesense he spouts is unecessary and unpleasant, and I, for one, have had enough of it.
Yes, I can unfollow, I can block, and I can be smug, self satisfied in my 'reasonable' tolerance of an occasional errant user and leave the abuse for others to tolerate. Alternatively, I can add my voice to those who strongly object to repeated innapropriate use of foul language and personal abuse in a social media platform, such as Twitter.
It is the second of these alternatives I chose. Consider my voice, unrepentantly, so added.
I’m angry with people who care nothing for the sensibilities of others
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The mental-health meme isn't effective argumentation on forums.
If this person is being vulgar and abusive, then I understand your concern, but can't you just block/unfollow?
Why is it that you even see him being vulgar and abusive unless *you are Tweetscanning your own name or following the use of your name on a vanity RSS feed of some kind or using track?"
That's the part I'm not getting.
Use of foul language is very appropriate at times. For example, with the problem I had with @jesatiu, a very cunning an unhinged type who threatened me not only with RL stalking and intrusion into RL and said he'd beat me up, but continues to obsess, comment on my tweets to others, says he's "researching me" to see if *I* have violence issues (this after *he* has threatened to send people to "straighten me out" in RL.
What do you do about an unhinged obsessive like that who is stalking you m merely because you disagree with him, and finally pronounce him "broken" because of the constant way in which he is trying to get you to conform to his wacky extremist views? You can abuse report him to mods -- but that either goes nowhere, or feeds into an insidious police-informant system. You can publicize him, or get friends not to follow him -- but that, too, is like vigilantism.
I think a nice, robust very foul-mouthed retort to such an individual is very much in order, because they only understand force and vulgarity, as they threaten violence. You may find that sinking to their level; I think it helps establish boundaries. Usually it gets them to stop.
But to then go beyond that, and make up little lists and neighbourhood committees and vigilante groups -- why bother? It's just a public conversation. Turn it off and go do something else if it bothers you so. That need to "strongly object" to everything is really overreach and is a boundaries issue of its own, no? -
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I agree! There is an open discussion about this on @WiredPig's blog as well as mine. (see: http://blog.wiredpig.us/2008/04/29/wh...)
This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
such self righteous ramblings. I didn't see much of this going on when most of Obama/Twitter was backing up Reverend Wright, nor do I see it when most of twitter supports an ideologically motivated cult like mailourmilitary. your are a smokescreen for cults. Who cares if you think I'm nuts or not. if you really think I behave like a terrorist, then shouldn't you be arguing for me by now? I obviously have no respect for your community precedent. But of course you keep the charade of some kind of moderator. damn your hypocrisy. -
YOU LOSE TINDLE... the logic is barking at you. Even people who don't agree with my tactics think you are wrong. -
Inappropriate?Hiya Prokofy...
I empathise with your concern about the 'big brother' 'authoritarian' issues raised by this entire thread.
At the same time, your argument is all about the 'vanity' aspect of the complaint. And I don't think that adequately refutes what's happening here.
If it were a simple matter of just 'blocking' this dude (noahdavidsimon and his host of aliases), then you'd be right.
But the issue is that he keeps creating new aliases, which he then follows people with for some unknown reason (or, unknown to me, probably known to himself).
When he's following someone, who the heck knows what he's doing with the tweets he's gathering from those follows?
What's more, he's also got a Facebook presence. And I know of at least one person who has 'friended' me on Facebook that could actually be him. He's not confining his Twitter activities to Twitter. He's spreading them out to other social networks.
This guy has an agenda. I don't know what that agenda is.
All I can do is observe his behaviour, and draw conclusions from that. And based on the observed behaviour, it's reasonable for Tindle to have drawn the conclusions he's drawn. There MIGHT be psychiatric or psychological issues. There MIGHT be some sort of art project on the go. There MIGHT be a whole host of benign or maleficent things happening.
I prefer to err on the side of caution. Right now, noahdavidsimon is giving me NO reason to believe that his actions are benign. His actions from my point of view are stalkerish and malign.
The existence of this thread indicates that others are interpreting his behaviour in ways similar to my own interpretation. If this guy's just yanking our chains, that's one thing. If he's a malign presence out to harm a person or people, then we need to be cognisant of that.
I am deeply uncomfortable with his unchecked presence on a social networking site where vast amounts of personal data are available for him to exploit. And I'm deeply uncomfortable that the Twitter owners are doing nothing to curb an overtly malicious campaign.
Your response seems to me to come from a place that finds authority to be oppressive. Which makes some of your rhetoric understandable. At the same time, I would expect you to have some insight into how this single individual's behaviour can actually come across as repugnant and dangerous.
Thanks for hearing my point of view.
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Inappropriate?Oh... one thing... speaking out against bad behaviour does not make a person authoritarian, regime-supporting, a snitch. It makes a person someone willing to stand up and be counted.
Just as you're standing up and being counted in your countering of the case against noahdavidsimon, I'm standing up and being counted in baring my own insights and opinions.
In the end, I'm thankful to be part of a community that allows diverse points of view to be aired.
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Inappropriate?I read the guy's site, and I fail to see why following people and retweeting them, unless it's in some huge massive amounts of spam, is the problem everyone thinks. I see him in my feed, and I merely skip over him.
I understand he's doing something to "play with" Twitter, but I fail to see the problem, and think this is more about the issue of others wishing to control usage and control expression.
Roy, first, you have to persuade me that the behaviour is bad. I'm not persuaded. That's what due process in a democratic society *is*. If you expect me to believe that "just because you say so" and "don't you know who I am?!" then you are playing into the characteristics of an authoritarian society.
If someone is following you with various aliases and it bothers you, ignore him? I find that with griefers, logging off, not giving them attention, not festering about it can be one kind of tool.
Publicizing their bad behaviour is an equally valid tactic, I'm all for that. But you fail to persuade me that seeing a few re-tweets or even 50 re-tweets is the problem you claim it to be.
If someone you don't know or suspect is a stalker is trying to "friend" you on Facebook, why can't you just say "no"?
See, it's this idea that you can cede power to this anonymous griefer that's annoying. You can ignore him. Not follow him. Block him and his aliases, and also just not friend him on Facebook and move on.
I fail to see how this individual is "dangerous" and "repugnant". Maybe that's because he's following and re-tweeting me, and I see him clutter up my vanity feed now and then, but I *just ignore him* Lots of people re-tweet. The ability to re-tweet shouldn't be killed over this.
Again, you can only know this guy is doing this *if you follow your vanity feed*. Can you concede that? Is there something I'm not getting here?
If you are uncomfortable with a social network where vast amounts of personal data are available, then leave it. I think that's a given these days. That's why it's a good idea not to give out your personal info. If you work site as a marketer or contractor has to give out a lot of this and you feel uncomfortable having critical eyes on it, then don't participate and use YMs for your friends. You can't advertise -- and yet also not expect criticism.
I don't find authority "oppressive" -- that would be silly. Authority is a good thing when it operates under the rule of law. You aren't doing that, when you set up yourself or other arbiters of what is "right" on social media as the authority. I don't accept you because you aren't making your case.
Kosso, it seems to me that because you engaged repeatedly with this individual, you can expect that he will now target you. Surprised? I know what that's like. But then be prepared for the consequences. Don't whine. Can you give me a URL to his "hurtful" tweets so I can understand what you are saying and whether it has merit?
Ultimately, I think the guy is doing a kind of conceptual art statement about the propensity of so many smarm marms on here to block people whose ideas they don't like, or block people on the bases of various hysterical prejudices, instead of just scrolling past them.
I imagine there is far too much blocking on Twitter. The way I can tell that is that @techcrunch, a Twitter A-lister and all round Internet A-lister, blocks his fellow A-listers if they criticize him. He blocks me if I criticize him in a few lines, with nothing like the techniques, spam, or comments that you ascribe to this Panopticons fellow.
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Prok: I stepped in to defend my fiancee, who at that point was physically shaken having been 'stalked' in the past by some worrying individuals.
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Kosso, make no mistake about it: those are vulgar, ugly, nasty comments and understandably distressing. It's a classic case of one of these losers on the Internet who uses anonymity to be crude and disgusting. You have three choices with something like this: a) ignore it b) expose it c) use the same kind of crude vulgarity right back, adding to it a promise to get the RL police involved.
I believe strongly in 3) thinking that people like this only understand force and vulgarity, and experience has shown that they usually back off once they realize their shock value of their vulgarity isn't working.
You may not like that option, so you're working with 2), trying to expose it. I understand your concern, and it's a great thing to block this guy so his ugliness doesn't have to show up in your feed.
However, while recognizing the creepy vulgarity and violence of this thug. I can only ask you to zoom out from this understandably nasty experience, and think about the system-wide consequences of enabling everbody to block from their vanity feed -- their track of their own name and the @s at them -- of anyone they just feel like, or don't like.
-- It means lots of innocent people who merely find you interesting and retweet you to their own circle are axed clumsily with your block
-- it means people who happen to see you in the public feed and follow you and try to comment to you are axed clumsily in a block
-- it means people who aren't creepy stalkers but just people who disagree with you never are seen by you, and you remain in your own complacent circle.
-- and finally, if you are a big social media makker with a huge influence factor, it means nobody ever gets to talk back to the bosses *and be heard* -- they are insured of being kept under a pillow for ever.
I realize these larger issues may be hard to think about when you are understandably angered at this guy. But I can also point out again: don't read your vanity feed if this is so upsetting. Stop tracking your name!
If you are following someone, and they are following you, just talk to each other.
You do not need to use track/your own name to see someone whom you are following write to you -- again, as far as I know, reading the features pages of Twitter. Correct me if I'm wrong. -
Hi Prok. I don't have a vanity feed. No one needs to 'protect' their tweets (which is what I think you're referring to) - I do try to see this from all 'zoom levels' (no worries there ;) ) - I hear someone has taken action to make a record of all future action by him (not his bots) should the need for more evidence arise. I always advise people to use the ignore option in cases like this. I also think exposure of wrongdoing is good - even if it does bring them the attention they seek. He can carry on doing it all he likes now - the more he does it, the more people can see what he's like. -
"Roy, first, you have to persuade me that the behaviour is bad. I'm not persuaded. That's what due process in a democratic society *is*. If you expect me to believe that "just because you say so" and "don't you know who I am?!" then you are playing into the characteristics of an authoritarian society."
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Um, I'm sorry, but you keep saying that this is a police-state issue - why does anyone have to "persuade you" of anything?
Are you the one in a position to grant or deny the petition?
You, also, are not in control of anyone's behavior. There is no need to persuade you.
Twitter is not a Democratic society, it is a company - and that, by nature, makes it at best a benevolent Dictatorship.
There are people who have the wherewithal to grant or deny the petitions of those asking for some sort of ruling and enforcement of TOS violations - but you are not one of them.
I understand your concerns - but you seem to have set yourself up here as one who has the authority to judge whether or not what the rest of us believe is acceptable.
That's just simply not the case. -
GeekMommy, you as one of those Valley-insiders (even if not physically in the Valley), and as one of the smarmy little school marms trying to control Twitter, are part of the problem not part of the solution.
Twitter is *too* a democratic society. The company making Twitter can make an intramural or internal corporate communications device for all you and little girlfriends in the Valley, and all your little male geeky friends, and sell it to you for a high fee, if they don't want to be "democratic".
My understanding is that Twitter is bigger, and more lofty that that narrow, self-serving goal for you all.
There is nothing inherently built in to social media run by private companies that makes it a benevolent dictatorship UNLESS YOU BECOME THE DICTATORS. It's just that simple, GeekMommy and all the other little e-mommies. You don't get to be the dictators in social media; your pressure on the mods and the coders to become oppressors on your behalf is really unseemly. Let's hope they won't cave to that, let's hope Susan Wu, one of their enlightened VC funders, will not let Twitter devolve to the usual MMORPG "benevolent dictatorship".
I have as much right as anyone to articulate my view on the governance of Twitter. Indeed, Twitter itself encourages the free and open discourse of its governance issues. If decides to suppress debate and dissent about its own governance, we're in trouble -- social media is doomed to be a mere manipulative tool for marketers and power-mongers among techs in the Valley.
I won't stand idly by while that happens. You do not have any authority; I won't cede it to you. I absolutely do have the right to judge whether you are acceptable, using obvious values of universality and human rights. And you are *not* acceptable for wishing to have your little posse control governance and discourse. -
That would probably make sense if
1) any one in the valley outside of my Sister-in-law and best friend from 1st grade knew who the hell I was. I'm about as much of a "Valley Insider" as you are m'dear.
2) You were willing to concede that if no one one has the right to control discourse, that includes YOU.
3) Being a mother somehow made my opinion any less relevant than yours - which, given that you are one as well makes utter no sense.
Prokofy, you and I actually agree on a number of things - this just doesn't happen to be one of them.
But you've never bothered to find out a single thing about me.
You just judged, condemned and spat out your rhetoric without bothering to do a single bit of research into it.
You don't have to 'cede' authority to me - or anyone else - because it isn't yours to give.
No one said you ought to stand by idly - I simply pointed out the inherent irony of your complaining of those who would like to control your and others behavior whilst you were attempting to control ours. -
The beauty of social media, GeekMommy, is that you, a nobody, a nothing, just by getting on the A-listers list, like @QueenofSpain, can live vicariously and bask in the richness of A-listness. Ain't it grand? Twitter is as good as Second Life in that record.
I'm not controlling discourse; you are. I'm not advocating that anybody be muted, banned, expelled, or that any censorial tools be added. You are. Difference.
Your behaviour on Twitter constitutes a social graph of sorts. I'm the last one to want to pin anybody to the wall of their social graph -- I hate the very concept of the marketing social graph, but here, it's a useful way to show how you are -- look at yourself, gabbing all day lol.
On this issue, you are right in with the e-mommies. If you have other things you agree with me on, that's great, but you're behaving oppressively now. Don't do that.
You fall into that geeky fallacy -- as Geek Mommy, not surprisingly -- that anyone who forcefully expresses their opinion and sticks to it in the face of the horrid Lord-of-the-Flies social pressure of social media is "forcing their opinion" themselves. Do you realize how common this is, how frequent geeky types with your culture try to force this fallacious idea on other people?! It's awful!. It's like a curious inside-out of what in fact those horrid types themselves do.
If I were "forcing my opinion," I'd be calling on the mods to expel, censor, stop track. But...I'm not. I'm telling everyone to leave Twitter alone, leave it free. That's my right; indeed, my duty as a person of conscience. Your trying to falsely construe that as "trying to control others" discredits you readily. -
I will look again, but it appeared to me that you were trying to tell people not to hold these opinions or express them.
I seldom buy into "go with the group" mentality. Occasionally, the group's mentality seems to align with my own - and I can see where that might be taken for the opposite.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that if Twitter says "that doesn't violate our TOS" that's where the matter ends.
Or if they say "well, yes, technically it violates our TOS, but we feel it is better to err on the side of caution and change the TOS rather than restrict speech"? Works for me.
But at present, they are remaining conspicuously silent in the face of much conflict.
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Oh, but I'm also not a nobody or a nothing - I'm just not a Valley insider or even denizen. My spheres of influence are entirely elsewhere. And presently, I suppose, on one small corner of Twitter. :) -
Valley is a state of mind and network, not always literal. And I guess you were on QueenofSpain's show just now because you're just Jane Q Public ROLF. -
Uh, do look again, as nowhere have I said people can't hold opinions; are not entitled to opinions or can't express them and keep to them. Indeed, I expect that same set of rights myself, so any tribalist conformity bids will be rejected resolutely. I don't think you can be so passive about the Twitter people shaping this or that policy; you should feel ownership of it more than you did. The control freaks obviously do! And if they are anything like Second Life, which has been a microcosm of these things, why, they will shout loud and hard and pretty soon the Twitter makers will say "oh, the community asked for it" and shrug as if they had to do their bidding. I'm hoping they won't do that. -
I met @QueenofSpain thru Twitter - which is, after all, the best way to meet other people no matter what your geographic location! We have become friends, and I'm really enjoying helping to produce her show.
That makes me Jane Q Public who knows someone who may or may not be. :) -
That said, I will re-read again in the morning - when I can give it an honest appraisal. Thanks for your reply. -
Inappropriate?Before Twitter imposed the 250/week sms limit for non-US users (like me), I had device notifications on for most of the people I was following, and was easily receiving 80+ sms messages every hour.
Now that I'm only allowed 250 sms messages per week, I had no choice but to turn off sms notifications for the vast majority of the people I follow... which is why I began to rely heavily on Twitter's Track feature to track my username.
Sure, it's possible to get @replies via RSS and I can use the Replies tab to make sure I don't miss any... but I'd have to be online first to see them. I like Track because I get the notifications via sms in real-time when I'm offline, and I can respond immediately from my phone if the message happens to be time-sensitive.
Anyway, starting today, it appears that every tweet I send is now echoed by two of his accounts (i.e., @panopticons and @noahdavidsimon) even though I don't block either of those accounts. Unfortunately, this means that I receive two copies via sms of each tweet I send, and this therefore eats up 2 of my already very limited sms credits each time.
Similarly, every time he echoes other Twitter users who send me @replies, I also get multiple copies of those messages, since the echoed tweets also contain my username.
Obviously, I'm very unhappy about this state of affairs because it means that I will eventually be forced to stop tracking my username just to save my sms credits.
I'm therefore in agreement with @loudmouthman -- I wouldn't mind the multiple retweeting if his puppet accounts were simply tagged as private and therefore don't show up in my Track alerts and eat up my sms credits. He still gets to do what he wants, without impairing my ability to do what I want.
If his intent is to follow people who have blocked him, IMHO he can do so more efficiently and less intrusively by simply subscribing to the RSS feeds of all those accounts using Google Reader or a similar application. In fact, he'd have better access to people's tweets that way, since there's a limit to the number of updates that Twitterfeed posts into Twitter every time it checks for updates. I'm fairly certain that he's not getting every tweet from high-volume tweeters due to this limitation.
Anyway, due to these recent developments, I am now, more than ever, looking forward to the day when Track is updated so I don't receive track alerts from accounts that I've blocked... and yes, this means that when Track finally recognizes blocks, I will be blocking accounts that echo tweets.
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Inappropriate?I'm failing to understand why all of Twitter has to adapt to your phonebill problems of limitations on SMS. Don't track *yourself* if this is the problem. Then your feed contains only people talking to you normally, not your obsession about what they are saying to you. Worried about missing some @s in the stream? Well, people just talk enormous amounts on Twitter, and they can't expect it to serve as a real communications device for urgent matters. If someone has to tell you to get home because your children are burning, I hope they'll use your cell phone *itself* rather than the twitter function on it.
There's another simple solution there: stop trying to get Twitter on your phone. Just read it on the web. Use tweetscan to catch up on vanity feeds.
If you're a fireman, you don't *really* need Twitter as you have your own internal communications. If you are otherwise a very busy and important person, and Twitter doesn't work for you in vanity-feed mode, due to this person following you, use AIM or YM with just a group you've selected to hear from. Wait for awhile, the person will grow bored and you may be able to start again.
I don't use Twitter on my mobile precisely because it's a firehose of messages, most of it noise, even from those I *wish* to follow. I tune in on the web; I also tune into the vanity feed as needed through www.tweetscan.com
It sounds to me like you're another avid vanity-feed reader that is trying to find a way to sound like your vanity-feed isn't what it is, but something else.
Making up a doctor's excuse and crying poor about limitation of non-US users -- just not a persuasive argument, sorry.
Also, point of information: if you block those two accounts...they...won't show up in your feed on your mobile. So...block them? And then they won't be charged as messages. Correct me if I haven't understood something mechanically here.
If you stop following your vanity feed, your problem will be solved. Live in the moment. Hear what people are doing *right now*. Talk to them *right now*. It's the vanity feed that is the problem.
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?@Prokofy
1. You said: "I'm failing to understand why all of Twitter has to adapt to your phonebill problems"
It's not my phone bill problem -- it costs me nothing to receive sms messages from Twitter. Twitter set the limit.
2. You said: "stop trying to get Twitter on your phone. Just read it on the web."
I don't see why I have to receive my tweets the way you want to receive your tweets. Don't I have a right to choose how I want to receive the information?
Twitter made it possible for its users to receive tweets by phone. Why must I limit myself to the mechanisms that you deem to be appropriate for yourself?
3. You said: "It sounds to me like you're another avid vanity-feed reader that is trying to find a way to sound like your vanity-feed isn't what it is, but something else."
You're entitled to your opinion.
Here's mine: It sounds to me like you're trying to impose your own values and belief system on other people. I'm failing to understand why all of Twitter has to use Twitter the way you use Twitter.
4. You said: "Also, point of information: if you block those two accounts... they... won't show up in your feed on your mobile. So... block them?"
I take it you didn't read my entire reply because I already said that Track doesn't recognize Blocks.
Heck, I even linked to a thread in this forum where other people have already tried Blocking as a way to stop receiving tracks alerts from specific accounts and it doesn't work. Here is that link again for your convenience.
If blocking those accounts would stop me from receiving Track alerts from them, I would have already done so and wouldn't bother posting here to object to them.
5. You said: "Live in the moment. Hear what people are doing *right now*. Talk to them *right now*. "
That is precisely what I am trying to do by tracking my username and receiving the tweets via sms in real-time. I want to receive @replies to me *right now* so I can respond and talk to the senders *right now*.
I’m of the opinion that your confidence is misplaced
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Inappropriate?Hiya Prokofy...
It appears as though you 'fail to understand' a great deal of things you read.
I will no longer be reading your responses, nor, as a consequent by-product of not reading your responses, will I be responding either.
I believe you're simply trolling. And if there were a moderator on this forum, you'd probably have been banned from the thread two responses ago.
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Um, no, Roy, I am *not trolling* because I am persistent in disagreeing with you, and persisting in demanding proper answers to the concerns raised here.
The idea that somebody is a "troll" and you can just shut down their legitimate concerns is just sheer bull@#$!, it's just a hangover of this male geeky MMORPGy culture with which so many forums and social media are now infected.
Stop it. I have a right to contribute to this discussion as much as anyone, to express my skepticism and disagreement with others, and to seek clarity. Persistence in not agreeing with you and refusing to take your explanations is just that, not some putative "trolling". -
Inappropriate?Seriously, I find the readiness with which some of the very overbearing male geek types like "loudmouthman" come on and try to discredit objections to people changing the open nature of Twitter, *really disconcerting*.
MDY, thanks for answering my concerns.
You originally said this: "Before Twitter imposed the 250/week sms limit for non-US users (like me), I had device notifications on for most of the people I was following, and was easily receiving 80+ sms messages every hour."
If you weren't trying to make something out of the fact that Twitter imposed limits, why talk about these imposed limits? If it costs you nothing, that's great, thanks for clarifying, but why would you *need to* and *have to read* 80 plus messages and hour? In other words, I do have to wonder if Twitter was rational in imposing these limits -- I just don't know its issues, or the mechanical issues at stake.
Re: your comment, "I don't see why I have to receive my tweets the way you want to receive your tweets. Don't I have a right to choose how I want to receive the information?"
Um, I'm not trying to "impose the way you receive your tweets" or "impose my way of receiving tweets on you". I'm asking the question: why not do this? If you face *phone* limitations, isn't the obvious workaround to go on the *web* when you can log on? After all, if you're like most people, you sit in front of the computer X hours a day anyway. If you're out and about with only a mobile, I understand. But I'm suggesting a *workaround* to your expressed problem.
You said: "Twitter made it possible for its users to receive tweets by phone. Why must I limit myself to the mechanisms that you deem to be appropriate for yourself?"
To which I can only say, why make it personal? Why make it about me "deeming appropriate"? Hell, I'm not the one who deemed it was appropriate for you to receive only X messages -- *that was the Twitter management*. I'm *suggesting a workaround*.
I said: "It sounds to me like you're another avid vanity-feed reader that is trying to find a way to sound like your vanity-feed isn't what it is, but something else."
You said: You're entitled to your opinion. Here's mine: It sounds to me like you're trying to impose your own values and belief system on other people. I'm failing to understand why all of Twitter has to use Twitter the way you use Twitter.
Um, again, this isn't imposing some "way of reading Twitter" on you -- when YOU are the one imposing YOUR way by urging certain accounts you don't like deleted; by urging the Twitter managers to put in a block-track function and so on.
And I'm right to point out the crux of the matter here: you need for a vanity feed. There isn't anything *wrong* with needing a vanity feed. None at all. But admit that's what is driving this concern. Once you stop watching what other people you don't follow are saying at you, once you stop worrying about missing some @ that putatively may be missed in the direct stream to you, you will stop feeling the need to restrict/eject/expel/suppress other accounts.
4. You said: "Also, point of information: if you block those two accounts... they... won't show up in your feed on your mobile. So... block them?"
I take it you didn't read my entire reply because I already said that Track doesn't recognize Blocks.
No, you're just like Steve Gillmor in your persistence in not hearing my point about this.
I totally understand that this is about TRACK. Not about FOLLOW and your DIRECT FEED OF FOLLOWS.
That's very easy to "get," and your persistence in believing I'm not intelligent to get this is like Loudmouthman's, and Steve Gillmor's. I do get it. This is about *your tracking of your own name using track," however. That IS what it is about.
So I will suggest again to you: stop tracking your own name if you are bothered by what happens in that track when you do that. Just follow those you want to hear from directly, and block those you dont' want to hear from.
Believe me, I totally got (and got this before the News Gang show) the problem with your need to track yourself in your track (as distinct from your follow) and your hatred of things appearing in your self-track that you don't like being there. You want then therefore for the managers to make track possible to "unfollow" *within track". Trust me, I got all that.
But I can only come right back you and urge you to a) understand the ramifications of that system-wide b) petition you to stop being so obsessed about the "wrong" use of track. After all, in the absence of this "feature", you feel the need to bang on everybody like me who doesn't agree with you about this.
And my not agreeing isn't "trolling," which is silly: it's simply a failure on your part to persuade me.
Re: "Heck, I even linked to a thread in this forum where other people have already tried Blocking as a way to stop receiving tracks alerts from specific accounts and it doesn't work. Here is that link again for your convenience."
Yes. I got all that. And got it weeks ago and re-got it again and again as it was banged on me. Read my blog about this here:
Yes, we all got it that a proposed concept of trying to use "block" as a way to get unwanted people out of your "track" *does not work*. We got all that. Totally. So...the question is why, however, you, with this obsessive desire to make sure that when people talk about you, it is sanitized, and no one can *ever* talk back to you if you haven't *pre-decided that they can*, there are some really serious implications for a *public dialogue* like this. After all, if you hate people's talkback and dissent to your expression, then this may not be the place for you. Go back to AIM or YM, I guess.
I said: "Live in the moment. Hear what people are doing *right now*. Talk to them *right now*. "
You said: That is precisely what I am trying to do by tracking my username and receiving the tweets via sms in real-time. I want to receive @replies to me *right now* so I can respond and talk to the senders *right now*.
Here's the problem. You want only people who *you yourself have agreed to follow and never your followers* ever, ever, ever to type @your name.
And that's wrong. Your followers responding to you with @ should not be blockable. After all, they are your followers. Most followers are not spammers, marketers, or creepy stalkers. They only make a percentage of the system. So they are just other normal people like yourself.
By insisting on the ability to block any of these @ responders, you are using too heavy an axe. You see one person retweet you? You decide they are an evil psychotic creepy stalker and block them from view. You tell others to do the same. It's sick, and spreads weird paranoia based on snap judgements over chance impressions.
I can only recommend this to you, since you express the same sort of neuralgia that Steve Gillmor expresses for even one talkback with @ that he didn't solicit and didn't love: don't track yourself.
If you are *following* someone, their @ should be visible. It is only your tracking of the @ of the non-followED that appears to be a problem.
Again, if I am factually and mechanically wrong about that last point, please correct.
I’m confident
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Inappropriate?I agree! There is an open discussion about this on @WiredPig's blog as well as mine. (see: http://blog.wiredpig.us/2008/04/29/wh...)
This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken?
I’m thankful this was brought up!
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Inappropriate?Twitter needs to take charge of their own Terms of Service agreement and start enforcing their rules that we were required to agree with. If Twitter isn't serious about keeping its users safe by way of the TOS, then it's evident that Twitter isn't serious about this product.
I’m frustrated that Twitter thinks of users as pawns.
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Inappropriate?I don't know nor do I care about his mental state. He has followed me with multiple accounts. When I've asked him to either unfollow me or I would block him he followed me with more then went on a tirade against me for asking him to not follow.
He has stated that his goal is to circumvent the blocking system and, as a result, to harass / stalk other users who do not want him following them.
On his referenced page he states - "but if u anger me I will enter ur community n convince ur friends that ur wrong." "what is important is I can follow enemies."
Prok - I use services to see who has @'d me. I dont do it for vanity. 99% of my time on twitter is on my phone via m.twitter. m. allows for only 10 posts per page. If I miss a tweet to me I use the replies and @ searches to see who said what so I can reply. Since m.twitter.com/replies is not formatted for my device I use other services to do the same thing.
I’m frustrated
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I agree. If someone is saying outright that their goal is to circumvent the blocking system and, as a result, to harass / stalk other users who do not want him following them then that sounds like a pretty clear case of abuse. Of course, it makes sense to be because I'm rational.
He's posted "but if u anger me I will enter ur community n convince ur friends that ur wrong." "what is important is I can follow enemies."
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Wired, I tried to read your blog discussion but it just has gotten way too long and cumbersome with far too many sub comments in the thread.
I totally get the obnoxiousness and even unhinged nature of this guy. We can agree on that for sure.
But you don't get to dictate how the whole system can be used, either, just because of your individual need to filter out your vanity feed.
I can only suggest that the "fear of missing a tweet" is misplaced. You can catch up by reading www.tweetscan.com Please explain why putting your settings at "see all replies with @ in them" instead of "see just those replies with @ that are people I follow" doesn't go a long way to fix your problems, given your phone limitations, and why another workaround can't be just sitting down and reading the web version of Twitter now and then in addition to the limited capacity your phone has. -
Again you strive to go off to left field. I NEVER, not once stated I had any issues with locating my replies. I WAS responding to your vanity comment above by explaining how and why I use services, like tweetscan, to follow replies to me. The gist of my blog post was that either twitter enforces its TOS or it throws it away. I reported what I saw as abuse and twitter took no action. Good for them. I disagreed and made the blog post. Now, can we stay with the topic at hand? -
My mentioning of the vanity-feed problem and the suggestion to stop tracking yourself is a solution, albeit imperfect, to the problem of you being harassed by this guy.
It's on topic, and I'm sorry if YOU don't feel that it's on topic, but not reading your vanity feed, and not insisting on "your usage of Twitter trumping all" COULD INDEED be a solution to your problem -- albeit imperfect.
As for "not enforcing the TOS," we'd have to be persuaded that a) there's something really libelous here (that's a subjective concept often overused and very overbroad on Internet forums and is not rooted in actual libel law about "malicious intent" etc.) AND we'd have to really be convinced that expression, as vulgar as it is, really is the abuse you say. You believe they "need to enforce their TOS" but they are obviously simply *not agreeing with you* that a TOS violation even took place. That's the problem. Is it about Twitter's negligence and "taking no action" or is it that they simply disagree with YOUR interpretation? I'd bank on the latter myself. -
you are in absolutes. you see a stalker as only how you want to define it and all you see is your own personal inconvenience. How about the inconvenience I felt when I got socially gang raped by the emom horde for disagreeing with the cult? Again... not drinking the KOOL AID silly piggy -
Inappropriate?Regardless of whether this is right or wrong the problem seems to be an inconsistency in blocking. If I block someone they shouldn't turn up anywhere in my interactions with the service, be it in my feed, in search or via Track.
I’m patient but annoyed.
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Your point is understood, but the reason this isn't an "automatic" is that it has real repercussions to the system. It means newbies can never find people to follow and talk back to them because of the skittishness of oldbies who might wrongfully axe them as stalkers or spammers when in fact they are not. If you don't want the public to read your tweets, *protect* your tweets, don't insist on having the public admire you, insist on a vanity feed, and then demand to be able to filter your vanity feed and make it impossible for some people not to become visible to your or top-level aggregators. -
I have to say this doesn't relate to my experience of Twitter, but then I don't follow any Alisters or whathaveyou. I follow people I know in my local area so I can meet them for coffee or whathaveyou.
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the trouble is - 'blocking' or 'unblocking' someone doesn't make a difference, as the tweet data is all available in a machine-readable data format (rss, xml, json) via the twitter API. The ONLY way to stop an account taking your data/posts is 'protecting' your account. then you're not in public at all though - which I for one, do not want to do. -
This isn't about privacy. I want my Twitter stream to be public. That's what makes it so much more interesting that IM, etc. The concern is that not being able to block people for Track makes the service less useful.
If people want to follow me for whatever reason or to take and republish my tweets then that's fine by me. But I want the option to stop that polluting my experience of Twitter. -
That's just the problem. You want your cake AND to eat it, too. You want to be public and accessible. But you want to get rid of any people you don't like. And when that is replicated as a practice across a system, especially by paranoids, insular insensitive narrow-minded freaks, sectarians, neuralgic A-listers, manipulative e-mommies -- well, we're in trouble. In means they control the discourse with this practice. You imagine your Twitter is polluted; perhaps your bandwidth isn't sufficient for an open public dialogue. Then...don't follow your vanity feed.
Kosso, we got all that. We got that blocking a person on the Twitter functions won't knock them out of the vanity feed, as it is on the twitter API and it read on both your track AND by third-party APIs. I'm saying that if this bothers you so much, if you cannot ignore the occasional misuse of it, if you are so reactive and thin-skinned, then close up your Twitters and don't take part in a public dialogue where people very different than you, and very diametrically opposed to you have a right to co-exist and be heard. Indeed, the moral issue of then being seen is at stake too, if the old media is replaced by social media.
I marvel at the inablility of people to think systematically and conceptually about Twitter. Try to extrapolate out from just your little usage of it and what bothers you, and understand system-wide ramifications of a nation of blockers out of their vanity feeds! -
Prok: I am pretty thick-skinned actually. Sorry if my 'reacting' to someone being abusive to my and my close and loved ones bothers you. You have every right to chip in on every politically-charged thread there is online - as you appear to do. The Devil's Advocate does indeed need to exist in society. That's fine. When this guy starts calling you a bitch and wants sodomy with you and you complain, then I'll pay more attention to what you have to say. From what I can see from you now, you are educated, but at the end of the day, simply another troll. As stated by someone above, you have no place arguing this petition / question. Correct me if I'm wrong and that he also been directly abusive to you. I don't give a damn about the re-tweeting aspect AT ALL. It's abusive people I can't abide. Along with busy-bodies. -
Actually, I'm not at all convinced of your thick skin when you are in high-octane macho mode here, protecting your tribe and your turf. I have people on Twitter who say the most vulgar and horrible things to me. Look my name up and see absolutely atrocious stuff like how I "need to get a man" and I "better use that mouth for what it was meant for" i.e. fellatio. Ugh. Because...I disagree with some twit on Twitter?! Nobody deserves that.
But rather than reaching for AR buttons, letters to mods, screeching to my friends, hit lists of stalkers, or screams for a feature command to remove people I hate from my vanity feed of track with my name I just leave it alone. I don't look at it. I see those people turn up in my feed? I ignore them. THey are typical unhinged Internet losers.
I sure to have every place to argue against your petition because a) you do not have a valid and democratic notion of what constitutes abuse -- it's highly subjective; b) we can't be certain this is a TOS abuse -- and TOS are notoriously vague and very subjectively enforced or not enforced; c) your demand for action on abuse of the TOS and kicking of this person has ramifications if it serves as a social and TOS enforcement *precedent*. I dno't mind if this freak is abusive -- he can be ignored. Let the good push away the bad. I mind if Twitter is wrapped up in a Valley strait jacket in its early stages and its democratic and open possibilities are snuffed out due to NewsGangism. -
Prok: I'm well aware of the treatment you have received via SL. I saw the head they built. I've read the posts on the forums. I agree with what you say in plenty of cases. I'm on your side. But will you please stop picking fights with the people on this thread who have an issue with a user who appears to be abusing the TOS - Basic Terms point 4. and Basic Conditions point 4. - I ask you : have you been abused by THIS person on Twitter? If not, then why are you harassing those of us who feel (rightly or wrongly or with proof) that they have? 'High-Octane Macho' : I like the sound of that, but what is actually is, is that I am angry that I have been abused and that as far as the TOS go, he is breaking them. You appear to be on his side. I will say this though, his manual tweeting appears to have silenced for now, but he has added mnay more accounts to his retweeting bot, but as I said, it's the insults and abuse that only bother me. -
Inappropriate?Here are the existing tools that the Twitter management supplies to you to control your Twitter experience *outside of track, which is a separate issue". Your selection of "track my own name" means "user experience may vary".
Existing tools OUTSIDE OF TRACK are all available under:
https://twitter.com/account/notificat... in "Settings"
No. 1: If you don't want to see all "@ replies" i.e. people you don't know, don't follow, and may not like, don't check this off.
If you only want to see @ replies from people you already follow and want to see, select that option -- again, this is unrelated to 'track' functions.
If you never want to see @ replies -- again, unrelated to track -- just select that options.
Now, go to this page:
https://twitter.com/account/settings
And check off "protect my updates" to get this effect:
"Only let people whom I approve follow my updates. If this is checked, you WILL NOT be on the public timeline."
This translates as follows:
*Don't put yourself in the public timeline if you do not want Internet strangers ever seeing you, with their possible negative behaviour*.
So take this person, for example, who decided to deal with the problem of undesirable communications recently:
https://twitter.com/PurpleCar
She made all her updates "protected," and that means unless she clears me personally to see her updates, *I cannot see them*.
If I go to a third-party application and type in "PurpleCar" *I cannot see her updates because they are protected. Full stop. THAT is what you need to do if you are worried about "strangers" seeing your expression and reacting to it in ways that make you uncomfortable.
All that can be seen in Tweetscan then is the *replies* to PurpleCar. That includes Panopticon.
UNLESS you track *your own name* in your vanity feed, and then you will see the @yourname. THAT is the problem.
@panopticons may be over the top, unhinged, vulgar, etc. But I'd have to agree with his point about the "emoms tyranny" and this strange campaign to "Mail our Military. I find it merely a facile leftist meme to try to create a fake social movement that "looks" patriotic and "looks" like "support our troops" but is basically a Trotskyist bore-from-within tactic typical of these extremists.
I had never thought of the problem of people who are against the war, subtly trying to infiltrate the popular support our troops concept by feigning to support people with emails.
I guess I think that political groups shouldn't be emailing soldiers they don't know -- most soldiers have plenty of their own near and dear they'd like to hear from.
I have another point about this of my own: that by making an e-mom tyranny and mail-our-military meme with the use of Twitter, these leftists are fueling another problem of American selfishness, not focusing on the war itself, the deprivations of the Iraqi people, and the need to email Congressmen, not just soldiers. -
What? MailOurMilitary is political? Where is that written? It is, at its most basic level, an email penpal facilitator. Its been around for seven years and I dont get how that has baring on the topic at hand of a Twitter users stated goal of harassing other users. -
I don't understand how inconsistencies in TOS enforcement is a political statement to the troops. In the first place, the eMOM group has no political drive; they are simply trying to show the troops that they have support at home from the populace, not just their families. I am an active duty submarine officer in the US Navy, and I know what it feels like to be fighting a war where you feel no one supports your efforts, or that your efforts mean nothing.
In the second place, everyone on Twitter signed up with the agreement that Twitter has rules, and we will follow them. The user in question violated his side of the contract, but Twitter is doing nothing to enforce the very rules they require us to follow.
If you want to discuss poor politics, such as police states, why don't we discuss Twitter in the sense of an agency that makes rules, expects you to follow them, but does nothing to enforce them. I contend that the "ruling body" at Twitter are nothing more than figureheads, and I have no confidence in their ability to keep this product afloat. We are nothing more than pawns for their celebrity status. -
Inappropriate?I'm concerned that twitter doesn't enforce it's own Terms of Service.
To make a long story short, someone sought me out on twitter and made it their mission to post harassing, abusive and libelous statements about me and my company. I'm all about freedom of speech. I'm all for discussion, discourse and debate but when someone creates 20 or so accounts for the sole purpose of stalking me or posting libelous statements about my company that's where I draw the line.
I've included a fair amount here for your review. It seems pretty clear this is a violation of Twitter's TOS. So why hasn't twitter put an end to this? That my friends, is the question. What say you?
noahdavidsimon @Jalapeno never mind the fact that eMOM puts the troops at risk for some crows vanity. this isn't highschool people! 08:17 PM April 29, 2008 from web in reply to Jalapeno
noahdavidsimon @Jalapeno support r troops,but not people who solicit online create communities of clicks. don't care if its color wars,frozen peas or eMom. 08:15 PM April 29, 2008 from web in reply to Jalapeno
noahdavidsimon support r troops,but not people who solicit online create communities of clicks. don't care if its color wars,frozen peas or eMom. stupid 08:15 PM April 29, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @Jalapeno u don't have 2agree with me. u can argue with logic, don't use ostracizing behavior like @mailourmilitary n try public humiliation 08:12 PM April 29, 2008 from web in reply to Jalapeno
noahdavidsimon @Jalapeno I don't ask people 2agree with me,I ask them to dialogue n not use peer pressure 2change opinions like @mailourmilitary. net cults 08:06 PM April 29, 2008 from web in reply to Jalapeno
noahdavidsimon offering a free dildo to number 700 for @MailOurMilitary with a big message that says YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED BY AN INTERNET CULT 06:52 PM April 29, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @anjrued I am offering a free dildo to number 700 for @MailOurMilitary with a big message that say YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED 06:50 PM April 29, 2008 from web in reply to anjrued
artforum noahdavidsimon: sure takes a long time to run the feed through twitterfeed.... doh @noahdavidsimon: noah.. http://tinyurl.com/4e29sn 01:06 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum noahdavidsimon: doh! doh! doh! @noahdavidsimon: noahdavidsimon: doh! doh! doh! @noahdavidsimon http://tinyurl.com/5ctnhq 01:05 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artspace scratcher noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a @noahdavidsimon test from the anti @emailourm.. http://tinyurl.com/5hpdtn 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artspace scratcher noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network:.. http://tinyurl.com/5k6lry 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artspace scratcher noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network .. http://tinyurl.com/4hrhkr 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a @noahdavidsimon test from the anti @emailourmilitary networ.. http://tinyurl.com/5hpdtn 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network: noahdavidsimo.. http://tinyurl.com/5k6lry 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network @noahdavidsimo.. http://tinyurl.com/4hrhkr 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalMedia noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a @noahdavidsimon test from the anti @emailourmilitary network.. http://tinyurl.com/5hpdtn 12:35 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a @noahdavidsimon test from the anti @emailourmilitary network: noa.. http://tinyurl.com/5hpdtn 12:34 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network @noahdavidsimon: noa.. http://tinyurl.com/4hrhkr 12:34 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum noahdavidsimon: @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network: noahdavidsimon: @ch.. http://tinyurl.com/5k6lry 12:34 PM April 26, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon @chrisbrogan this is a @noahdavidsimon test from the anti @emailourmilitary network 01:31 PM April 26, 2008 from web in reply to chrisbrogan
noahdavidsimon @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network @noahdavidsimon 01:28 PM April 26, 2008 from web in reply to chrisbrogan
noahdavidsimon @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary network 01:26 PM April 26, 2008 from web in reply to chrisbrogan
noahdavidsimon @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @emailourmilitary 01:26 PM April 26, 2008 from web in reply to chrisbrogan
noahdavidsimon @chrisbrogan this is a test from the anti @mailourmilitary network 01:25 PM April 26, 2008 from web in reply to chrisbrogan
noahdavidsimon @jesatiu since this emom thing happened @amandachapel 's tweets with these people has mysteriously disappeared 12:35 AM April 26, 2008 from twhirl in reply to jesatiu
noahdavidsimon @jesatiu these ladies are the worst. even if I pretend the theory has possibilities the reality is so overwelmingly caustic 12:33 AM April 26, 2008 from twhirl in reply to jesatiu
noahdavidsimon @jesatiu did you say volunteer? they volunteered for it? you kidding me? they don't know what they r getting! they r trained soldiers 12:32 AM April 26, 2008 from twhirl in reply to jesatiu
noahdavidsimon @jesatiu I only came accross emom through @amandachapel 's circle of friends. this is the armpit of twitter and this is where emom flutters 12:30 AM April 26, 2008 from twhirl in reply to jesatiu
noahdavidsimon @jesatiu the circles that the emom people circulate in are full of antiwar Reverend Wright identifying people that have an agenda. 12:29 AM April 26, 2008 from twhirl in reply to jesatiu
noahdavidsimon @jesatiu emom is a bad idea. gets worse as it gains momentum. wrong people speaking 2soldiers s bad n behavior of the org is horrible mob 12:21 AM April 26, 2008 from twhirl in reply to jesatiu
noahdavidsimon @amandachapel has now deleted five days of twitter entries. ironically parallel to eMOM controversy. @baghdadbrian still going on. 06:27 PM April 25, 2008 from web in reply to amandachapel
noahdavidsimon @EMailOurMilitary never mind I caught em n the act of soliciting hostile antiwar LEFTISTS. Don't join the heavens gate cult of the internet 04:21 PM April 25, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @EMailOurMilitary worse then a cult that sends groups of people to harass you if you don't agree. 04:20 PM April 25, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon I don't know what is worse. eMOM or scientology? What kind of people send groups of people to harass you if you don't agree? 04:18 PM April 25, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon something tells @stuckinfl doesn't exist n was n avatar of eMOM cabal.whole thing with 6pack n the wife beating was gay 4military @purplecar 02:43 PM April 25, 2008 from web
CriticalMedia working on a new art piece called mail our military. About a self righteous cabal of twitter elitists who r trying 2 influence soldiers. 01:38 PM April 25, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon working on a new art piece called mail our military. About a self righteous cabal of twitter elitists who r trying 2 influence soldiers. 02:35 PM April 25, 2008 from MoodBlast
noahdavidsimon working on a new art piece called mail our military. About a self righteous cabal of twitter elitists who r trying 2 influence soldiers 02:30 PM April 25, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon interesting. I accuse a close association between eMom and @amandachapel and she deletes all her tweets. now we know there is something 08:29 PM April 24, 2008 from web
avantgarde analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? e.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:34 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
avantgarde analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? e.. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:34 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exa.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:34 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
artspace @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I was afr.. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:34 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
MediaAnalyses @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I wa.. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:30 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
avantgarde Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? e.. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:28 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
artspace Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exa.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:28 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
artspace analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exa.. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:28 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exa.. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:28 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
artforum Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exa.. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:28 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:24 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalMedia Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:24 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalMedia Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:24 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalMedia Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:24 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses Analyzed: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:24 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? e.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:06 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms?.. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I .. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
objections @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I was a.. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 04:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
objections @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I was a.. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 04:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
CriticalAnalyst Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms?.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/4vn6gw 05:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I w.. http://tinyurl.com/4afud8 05:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
noahdavidsimon @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exactly what I w.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 05:05 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed in reply to amandachapel
YellowBook FINGER WALKING: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:03 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
whitebook NOTHING: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? exac.. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:03 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
theblackbook Analysis: @AmandaChapel courting @MailOurMilitary: @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms? .. http://tinyurl.com/5jwos4 04:02 PM April 24, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon @TheDiva I need all the help I can get. that Twirl was crashing before. I have over 25 accounts to manage. 04:44 PM April 24, 2008 from web in reply to TheDiva
noahdavidsimon @AmandaChapel you courting the eMoms. Your exactly what I was afraid of. They circle around your NAZI Transgendered ASS! 04:37 PM April 24, 2008 from web in reply to amandachapel
noahdavidsimon if you have run into @avantgarde @artspace @artforum @theblackbook @yellowpage @theyellowpages @whitepage @whitebook they are me 03:45 PM April 23, 2008 from twhirl
actingschool Presenting: SIMON STUDIO'S SHAKESPEARE BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION: THE SIMON STUDIO/Drama Book .. http://tinyurl.com/5vga2w 12:43 AM April 22, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon @PurpleCar if I create enough copywrite violations I am sure I can get @1938Media to folllow. Didn't you read my blog on Negativity? 10:36 PM April 21, 2008 from twhirl in reply to PurpleCar
actingschool add me @MediaAnalyses @CriticalMedia @CriticalAnalyst @objections @noahdavidsimon @actingschool @avantgarde @artspace @artforum 09:04 PM April 21, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst add me @MediaAnalyses @CriticalMedia @CriticalAnalyst @objections @noahdavidsimon @actingschool @avantgarde @artspace @artforum 09:03 PM April 21, 2008 from twhirl
objections add me @MediaAnalyses @CriticalMedia @CriticalAnalyst @objections @noahdavidsimon @actingschool @avantgarde @artspace @artforum 09:03 PM April 21, 2008 from twhirl
artspace add me @MediaAnalyses @CriticalMedia @CriticalAnalyst @objections @noahdavidsimon @actingschool @avantgarde @artspace @artforum 09:03 PM April 21, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon @MediaAnalyses @CriticalMedia @CriticalAnalyst @objections @noahdavidsimon @actingschool @avantgarde @artspace @artforum 08:02 PM April 21, 2008 from web in reply to MediaAnalyses
CriticalAnalyst a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but don't you remembe.. 05:33 PM April 20, 2008 from twitterfeed
StuckInFl @noahdavidsimon Perhaps your priority should be to take your medication and get some rest rather than harassing military wives & service men 01:20 AM April 20, 2008 from web in reply to noahdavidsimon
noahdavidsimon responses to a tall dude http://xrl.us/bjkfy @thattalldude about @mailourmilitaryeMOM 12:23 AM April 20, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalMedia responses to a tall dude http://xrl.us/bjkfy @thattalldude about @mailourmilitaryeMOM 11:23 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
MediaAnalyses responses to a tall dude http://xrl.us/bjkfy @thattalldude about @mailourmilitaryeMOM 11:23 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst responses to a tall dude http://xrl.us/bjkfy @thattalldude about @mailourmilitaryeMOM 11:22 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
objections responses to a tall dude http://xrl.us/bjkfy @thattalldude about @mailourmilitaryeMOM 11:22 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst @StuckInFl how would I know your in the military? I don't. and that is why you shouldn't solicit people online for eMOM 10:29 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to StuckInFl
MediaAnalyses Analyzed: a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but .. http://tinyurl.com/5nmowm 10:21 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections Analysis: a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but don.. http://tinyurl.com/5nmowm 10:06 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but don't you remember tha.. http://tinyurl.com/6mh5lp 10:06 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but don't you remember.. http://tinyurl.com/5nmowm 11:06 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but don't you remember.. http://tinyurl.com/6mh5lp 11:06 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst @tindle I'm in HELL. eMOM is just showing how little integrity they have by attacking on complete arbitrary grounds. I'm standing up 4 peeps 10:01 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to tindle
MediaAnalyses @thattalldude http://xrl.us/bjkfy a message to you 09:55 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to thattalldude
CriticalMedia Analysis: a message to a tall dude: that was a rather simplistic few tweets of yours, but .. http://tinyurl.com/6mh5lp 09:55 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections @thattalldude http://xrl.us/bjkfy a message to you 09:55 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to thattalldude
noahdavidsimon @Dayngr makes it all the more apparent that any fool can write a letter. that isn't very smart 10:38 PM April 19, 2008 from FriendFeed in reply to Dayngr
noahdavidsimon @thattalldude http://xrl.us/bjkfy a message to you 10:35 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to thattalldude
noahdavidsimon @thattalldude if U think it s just about eMOM, you n me then I am glad we aren't talking. Soldiers need protection and eMOM isn't doing it 10:23 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to thattalldude
noahdavidsimon @DevilBlueDress I will have over 20 accounts by the weeks end. I am going undercover to expose eMOM as the crooks that they are 09:39 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to DevilBlueDress
noahdavidsimon MILITARY PEOPLE. this is me standing up for YOU! eMOM has a nerve 09:39 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon MILITARY PEOPLE. this is me standing up for YOU! eMOM has a nerve 09:39 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon I am trying to protect U from ELITSTS. Cindy Sheehan clones. They're trying 2justify they're Jimmy Carter-ish opinions.eMOM has no filtering 09:37 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon people n the military this isn't about twitter clicks of BIMBOS, It is about protecting Ur lives from people who do not mean well = eMOM 09:36 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon any miltary service members that have any doubts on what I stand 4. U should know I'm standing up 4U! Don't let the little ladies lie 2U 09:32 PM April 19, 2008 from web
MailOurMilitary @MediaAnalyses At this time we'd like to request that you cease and desist making libelous statements against eMailOurMilitary.com 08:20 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to MediaAnalyses
MediaAnalyses @MailOurMilitary @Dayngr you missed one of my clones. your not very quick are you? most paranoids are a little bit better at this. 07:04 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
CriticalMedia Analysis: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This.. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 06:52 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses Analyzed: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This.. http://tinyurl.com/5qel5p 06:22 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalMedia Analysis: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This.. http://tinyurl.com/5qel5p 06:22 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
MediaAnalyses Analyzed: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This.. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 06:22 PM April 19, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon faster then a SPEEDING VOLVO! DOWN WITH eMOM http://xrl.us/bjikg 06:03 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg should an enterprise that behaves like they do be responsible for talking to our troops or is there a caustic agenda? 05:55 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon instead of threatening me these people should be orchestrating how they are responding to obvious flaws in they're org 04:27 PM April 19, 2008 from web
CriticalAnalyst @dlayphoto I have to walk my dog. these people are dangerous. I"M NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID! 03:18 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to dlayphoto
CriticalAnalyst @foulbastard the behavior of the org is not suitable to deal with our troops. they are petty, ignorant and not trained to deal with this 03:14 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to foulbastard
CriticalAnalyst @dlayphoto I support the troops. these people are just bullies. they are more worried about they're rep then anything. legal ignorance 03:12 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to dlayphoto
CriticalAnalyst @dlayphoto these people are just ignorant. they are not fit to run this kind of organization. they are misinformed and frankly frightening 03:07 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to dlayphoto
CriticalAnalyst @dlayphoto exactly. they think they can counsel troops overseas on twitter and they think they can make cease and desist statements here 03:06 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to dlayphoto
CriticalAnalyst @Dayngr @MailOurMilitary I have a right to know your actions now legally. Any actions done without informing me are against legal precedent 03:04 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to Dayngr
CriticalAnalyst @Dayngr @MailOurMilitary cease and desist are legal terminology. this assumes some kind of kind of legal response. 03:01 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to Dayngr
MailOurMilitary @NoahDavidSimon At this time we'd like to request that you cease and desist making libelous statements against eMailOurMilitary.com 04:01 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to noahdavidsimon
CriticalAnalyst @MailOurMilitary and I request you cease your organization that puts soldiers at risk 02:56 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
MailOurMilitary @Objections At this time we'd like to request that you cease and desist making libelous statements against eMailOurMilitary.com 03:55 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to objections
MailOurMilitary @CriticalAnalyst At this time we'd like to request that you cease and desist making libelous statements against eMailOurMilitary.com 03:55 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to CriticalAnalyst
CriticalAnalyst you want to start a face 2 face institution that reaches out 2 soldiers. BLESS YOU. but what is going on here with eMOM on twitter is wrong 01:48 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst @tonykatz it is so naive for eMOM to not recognize the relevance of questioning. that is the kool aid I was referring 2. 01:42 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to tonykatz
CriticalAnalyst @tonykatz never mind the trashy people involved, I have been following them; you don't want this organization. don't drink the kool aid 01:30 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to tonykatz
CriticalAnalyst @tonykatz in the era of terrorism you should know better. you know I'm right and I know these people have n agenda. nuff said! 01:28 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to tonykatz
CriticalAnalyst @tonykatz I know these people. Been following em. You don't want them writing 2 soldiers. Army PR maybe, but not people in the battle 01:25 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to tonykatz
CriticalAnalyst @tonykatz http://xrl.us/bjikg THE BIG eMOM BEEF! It isn't the idea that sucks,it is the people, the intent, the design n the implementation 01:03 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl in reply to tonykatz
CriticalAnalyst @NoahDavidSimon @MediaAnalysis @CriticalAnalyst @objections HOLD THE VORPAL SWORD OF VOLTRON! 12:42 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to noahdavidsimon
CriticalAnalyst @NoahDavidSimon @MediaAnalysis @CriticalAnalyst @objections I'm part of VOLTRON! 12:41 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to noahdavidsimon
CriticalAnalyst @DevilBlueDress we will fight the tyranny of Cindy Sheehan and @Military_Mama with my brown shirt slaying VORPAL SWORD! 12:35 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to DevilBlueDress
CriticalAnalyst @DevilBlueDress FIRST Jimmy Carter then OBAMA BOO HOO HOO... now THE REVOLUTION against the brown shirt VOLVO soccer eMOM 12:33 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to DevilBlueDress
CriticalAnalyst @DevilBlueDress I AM THE AVATAR of the mighty brown shirt hunter. planning the next strike on the EVIL Volvo Soccer Jimmy Carter eMOM 12:30 PM April 19, 2008 from web in reply to DevilBlueDress
CriticalAnalyst planning the next strike on the EVIL Volvo Soccer Jimmy Carter eMOM 12:28 PM April 19, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon And hast thou slain the @MailOurMilitary? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!" He chortled in his joy. 01:02 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon And as in uffish thought he stood, The @MailOurMilitary with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! 01:01 PM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon create twitterfeed into my limb clones: @MediaAnalysis @CriticalMedia @CriticalAnalyst @objection and destroy the evil eMOM twitter beast! 12:46 PM April 19, 2008 from web
MediaAnalyses Resistance is futile. SPEAK TO MY CLONES! Http://www.simonstudio.com/ark 11:24 AM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon think about it! @MailOurMilitary http://xrl.us/bjikg Nothing Worse then JimmyCarter agenda going to the troops 07:13 AM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
objections think about it! @MailOurMilitary http://xrl.us/bjikg Nothing Worse then JimmyCarter agenda going to the troops 06:13 AM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon glad U got a laugh @chinaski think about it! @MailOurMilitary http://xrl.us/bjikg Nothing Worse then JimmyCarter agenda going to the troops 07:01 AM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst glad U got a laugh @chinaski think about it! @MailOurMilitary http://xrl.us/bjikg Nothing Worse then JimmyCarter agenda going to the troops 06:01 AM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary how about a nice cup of shut the F#(% UP 05:47 AM April 19, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary how about a nice cup of shut the F#(% UP 10:40 PM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary @tcpeter @thaumata think about it! 10:23 PM April 18, 2008 from web
objections http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary @tcpeter @thaumata think about it! 09:20 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary @tcpeter @thaumata think about it! 09:17 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary @tcpeter @thaumata think about it! 10:15 PM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN’T EMAIL THE TROOPS http://tinyurl.com/4xjzg7 07:20 PM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst @andrewbadera undestand that @objections is for me to filter content @CriticalAnalyst is a public account 05:59 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to andrewbadera
CriticalAnalyst @andrewbadera I care about the troops. just not about @MailOurMilitary who has mingled with @amandachapel @megfowler @queenofspain 05:50 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to andrewbadera
noahdavidsimon @andrewbadera I care about the troops. just not @MailOurMilitary who's mingled @amandachapel @megfowler @queenofspain n Jimmy Carter ilk 06:50 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to andrewbadera
objections @andrewbadera I'm only sorry about the exposure I am giving 2 a controversial group @MailOurMilitary is pretty much within agenda of Carter 05:36 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to andrewbadera
objections @andrewbadera EMom is about as relevant as a Hamas front. Cindy Sheehan territory. names like @megfowler n JimmyCarter and @queenofspain. 05:34 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to andrewbadera
noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary is about as relevant as a Hamas front. Cindy Sheehan territory. names like @megfowler n JimmyCarter 06:33 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary is about as relevant as a Hamas front. Cindy Sheehan territory. names like @megfowler n JimmyCarter 05:33 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
objections http://xrl.us/bjikg @MailOurMilitary is about as relevant as a Hamas front. Cindy Sheehan territory. names like @megfowler n JimmyCarter 05:33 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
objections http://xrl.us/bjikg @andrewbadera as the saying goes hell is a road paved with good intentions 05:28 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
hametner @MailOurMilitary I was talking up eMail our Miliitary every chance I got. Thanks for everything you do for our troops. 04:03 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon @blissink if the population at large here really supported the troops I wouldn't be so hysterical... but these people don't mean well 04:26 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to blissink
CriticalAnalyst @Military_Mama if you don't see any dangers involved in strangers mailing the military at all... U R way out proportion. CONVERSATION OVER 03:19 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
noahdavidsimon @Military_Mama if you don't see any dangers involved in strangers mailing the military at all... U R way out proportion. CONVERSATION OVER 04:19 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
objections @Military_Mama if you don't see any dangers involved in strangers mailing the military at all... U R way out proportion. CONVERSATION OVER 03:17 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
objections @Military_Mama explored this already http://xrl.us/bji6u 03:13 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
CriticalAnalyst @MikeChapman these account is to seperate and dissect different people. I wish twitter had this feature built in 03:10 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to MikeChapman
objections @Military_Mama your not adept at handling this. Please leave the troops alone. I empathize U R lonely but this is not good 03:08 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
CriticalAnalyst @sorenj we R not dealing with a full deck with these folks. they R more worried about they're community then the people they feign 2help 03:04 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon @sorenj it is too late. the behavior of the org like Amnesty International is too suspect. too many problems here. they shouldn't attack me 04:00 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon @sorenj The behavior of those involved in this operation is atrocious and was deserving of the critique. 03:56 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon @Military_Mama anyone who doesn't think like you do doesn't support the troops? you must be a Jimmy Carter person 03:39 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
objections @Military_Mama anyone who doesn't think like you do doesn't support the troops? you must be a Jimmy Carter person 02:39 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
CriticalAnalyst @Military_Mama anyone who doesn't think like you do doesn't support the troops? you must be a Jimmy Carter person 02:39 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
noahdavidsimon UR VAIN! Even if I'm wrong that isn't true. U should not be talking to soldiers. Go away @Military_Mama I don't have the pretension U have 03:37 PM April 18, 2008 from web
objections @Military_Mama are you one of these Jimmy Carter People? I support the troops. that is why I am protecting them from Ur Vain Organization 02:33 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
noahdavidsimon @Military_Mama are you one of these Jimmy Carter People? I support the troops. that is why I am protecting them from Ur Vain Organization 03:33 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
CriticalAnalyst @Military_Mama are you one of these Jimmy Carter People? I support the troops. that is why I am protecting them from Ur Vain Organization 02:33 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
objections @Military_Mama offended your vanit? There R more important things then you're ego like lives of people who die 4 us http://xrl.us/bjikg 02:28 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
noahdavidsimon @Military_Mama offended your vanit? There R more important things then you're ego like lives of people who die 4 us http://xrl.us/bjikg 03:28 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
CriticalAnalyst @Military_Mama offended your vanit? There R more important things then you're ego like lives of people who die 4 us http://xrl.us/bjikg 02:28 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
CriticalAnalyst @Military_Mama sorry I offended your vanity, but there are more important things then you're ego like the lives of people who die for us 02:26 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to Military_Mama
objections @PurpleCar we just witnessed misanthropic behavior from eMOM people. proof s n the pudding.no going back now. pull that shit with soldiers? 01:43 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to PurpleCar
CriticalAnalyst @Kforbriger this helps me keep tabs on different people related to different issues. I have too much information for one account 01:28 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to Kforbriger
noahdavidsimon the people of eMOM do not have the maturity or behavior 2 run n operation like that. I will not endorce it n neither should you. 02:24 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
objections @PurpleCar the people of eMOM do not have the maturity or behavior 2 run n operation like that. I will not endorce it n niether should you. 01:20 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to PurpleCar
noahdavidsimon these eMOM Marry Kay Commandoes are encouraging people on twitter to write to soldiers without proper screaning @mxbx 01:12 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon it is offensive when these Fashionista Betty Bimbos lift an art style so that they can harass soldiers. ignorance and arrogance @sorenj 01:10 PM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @sorenj look at this guys amazing work. http://www.jason-brooks.com do you see eMOM giving any style credit? http://xrl.us/bjiuu 01:06 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
objections eMOM has obviously no design integrity and no moral integrity. 12:05 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon poor dude http://www.jason-brooks.com/ was an interior designer and he invented a style that everyone steals. ladies you are pathetic 01:04 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon @sorenj just for Ur knowledge. This is the artist whose style that eMOM lifted without giving credit http://www.jason-brooks.com/ 01:03 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon @sorenj the Brittish illustrator that first started using the digital style on the eMOM site is frankly embarassed of the style now. 12:50 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon @sorenj as a designer website 4 eMOM http://xrl.us/bjiuu is offensive n uninnovative. Looks like Alex from the old Portfolios.com 12:46 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon @sorenj these people deserve more then lashes. it isn't the WRONGNESS that is bothersome. It is the vanity. objections R obvious #eMOM 12:42 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl in reply to sorenj
noahdavidsimon walking dog. shows what twitter does to people that are concerned about something. flame me like you want to flame the military. eh ladies? 12:35 PM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst the notion is twitter s no place 2run a campaign without the safety of good web design when boys dying 4R country RN danger. SHAME 11:26 AM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
objections the notion is twitter s no place 2run a campaign without the safety of good web design when boys dying 4R country RN danger. SHAME 11:26 AM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon @SCMProfessor twitter s no place 2run a campaign without the safety of good web design when boys dying 4R country RN danger. SHAMEFULL!!!!! 12:22 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to SCMProfessor
noahdavidsimon @thaumata the notion is twitter s no place 2run a campaign without the safety of good web design when boys dying 4R country RN danger. SHAME 12:19 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
CriticalAnalyst Analysis: CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us].. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 11:17 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the tro.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 11:16 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This Military Mama" .. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 11:16 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon @thaumata says bad web design doesn't matter when our soldiers lives R at stake. this isn't about ME, this is about a program that is wrong! 12:16 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
objections CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the troops.t.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 11:16 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the troops.t.. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 11:16 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the troops.t.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 11:16 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the troo.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 12:15 PM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon Analysis: CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]:.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 12:15 PM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon @thaumata bottom line is eMOM is doing the wrong thing and putting soldiers in danger 4 they're and your vanity. SHAME ON YOU! 12:15 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
noahdavidsimon @thaumata bottom line is eMOM is doing the wrong thing and putting soldiers in danger 4 they're and your vanity. SHAME ON YOU! 12:15 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
noahdavidsimon CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the troo.. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 12:15 PM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon @thaumata before U attack my criticism n call me names U would think eMOM would get they're act together.this s sad.I'm trying2save soldiers 12:13 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
noahdavidsimon @thaumata bad web design? our soldiers deserve better. I'm standing up for the people fighting for America 12:11 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
noahdavidsimon all the harassing last night n these people didn't even do research.They don't care about soldiers, just they're vanity. SCANDALOUS 12:10 PM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon pretty obvious that even people against me are confused about this nightmare for the troops. 12:07 PM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @thaumata so you couldn't find the terms. niether could I. well that clears it up. code is not apparent. WE HAVE A SCANDAL! 12:06 PM April 18, 2008 from web in reply to thaumata
noahdavidsimon Shameful. chest beating about a code of conduct n no 1 can find it.I'm sure it's there,but it should be smack obvious http://xrl.us/bjiuu 12:02 PM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon facebook regulations are easier 2 find then on the eMOM site http://www.emailourmilitary... 11:59 AM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon I certainly couldn't find the code on the eMOM program either. WE NOW HAVE A SCANDAL! 11:54 AM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon I have a feeling that thaumata is @thaumata who could not find a code on Mail our Military. I just started following her. 11:54 AM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon if any one knows who thaumata is. It would be much appreciated. it would seem the MAIL our MILITARY YENTAS didn't make a code visible. 11:51 AM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon worst night.dealing with over zealous YENTAS that want 2harass soldiers with emails. claim they had a code,but they were lying apparently 11:46 AM April 18, 2008 from web
objections Analysis: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This Mi.. http://tinyurl.com/5qel5p 05:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst Analysis: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "Th.. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 05:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This Military Mama" I'm.. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 05:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This Military Mama" I'm.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 05:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst Analysis: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "Th.. http://tinyurl.com/5qel5p 05:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
CriticalAnalyst CRITICAL ANALYSIS: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS [del.icio.us]: I support the tro.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 05:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon Analysis: WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "Thi.. http://tinyurl.com/6ngn2q 06:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This Military Mama" .. http://tinyurl.com/44kjkt 06:52 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
noahdavidsimon WHY TWITTER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EMAIL THE TROOPS: hey Cindy Sheehan... I mean "This Military Mama" .. http://tinyurl.com/5qel5p 06:51 AM April 18, 2008 from twitterfeed
objections http://xrl.us/bjikg I support the troops.that is why I am asking people on twitter 2 find better ways 2 show support then emailing soldiers 05:46 AM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
CriticalAnalyst http://xrl.us/bjikg I support the troops.that is why I am asking people on twitter 2 find better ways 2 show support then emailing soldiers 05:46 AM April 18, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon http://xrl.us/bjikg I support the troops. that is why I am asking people on twitter 2 find better ways 2 show support then emailing soldiers 06:43 AM April 18, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @PurpleCar I'm now following you three times. still deciding on my girls name. I need something to stalk with 11:55 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to PurpleCar
noahdavidsimon this is going to cause a shortage of good names. I can see people creating a lot of them. I wanna make a woman's account n see what happens 10:47 PM April 17, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon @andrewbadera I'm going to create I think 5 accounts. and I'm going to talk to myself for a while 10:45 PM April 17, 2008 from twhirl in reply to andrewbadera
noahdavidsimon ☞anyone know how to add a second account to twirl? 10:34 PM April 17, 2008 from twhirl
noahdavidsimon I can't believe you morons think I would be a good thing in Iraq. Whose side are you on? 09:13 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @treo700 you know what the people around here are like. do you want them sending anti war shit to the troops? 08:33 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to treo700
noahdavidsimon @MikeChapman please write 2 Al Queda instead of the troops.Enemy needs 2B driven insane. send n email 2me and I will translate it 2 Arabic 08:32 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MikeChapman
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary just leave kids alone.If U don't understand how important getting laid s2n 18 year old then U shouldn't be writing 08:29 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon just the hostility of replies tells me that I am right. People who think Jimmy Carter should be talking 2Hamas shouldn't b writing troops 08:20 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon listen to you. I can't believe you think your opinions going to the troops are going to save they're lives. you people are a bunch of fools 08:17 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @Dayngr your so witty. do you do that to people that have the stress of war on they're back too? 08:16 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to Dayngr
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary your killing me. and you expect some kid in Iraq to deal with these jerks. this is the worst idea EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 08:15 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon @Dayngr what kind of people do U fools think Ur going 2meet on TWITTER and get2write a letter.U want to kill these soldiers? your doing it 08:14 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to Dayngr
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary sending playboy bunnies is one thing. but you dumb idiot just wanna harass a man with a gun. 08:13 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon pathetic... the stupidest fucking idea of all time. Maybe we will lose in Iraq. 08:12 PM April 17, 2008 from web
nohdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary the military **IS** partison FOOL! They have a war to fight! they don't need your head trip! 08:11 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary @SCMProfessor @Ninety7 @Dayngr realize vast majority of people here do not support the troops they don't need Ur head trip! 08:10 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon I've been on twitter long enough to realize that a vast majority of the people here do not support the troops they don't need your head trip 08:09 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @Dayngr saying fight media war here by voting against Democrats, but let troops do they're jobs. fighters don't need ladies harassing them 08:08 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to Dayngr
noahdavidsimon @Ninety7 we need 2support the troops.this is not how you do it. support the troops by supporting they're funding.don't harass em with email 08:07 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to Ninety7
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary last thing I would want is some YENTA that is going to vote for OBAMA talking to me right now 08:06 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary SAVE THE TROOPS! fight against MOMMY harrasment 08:05 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon @MailOurMilitary supporting is one thing. bothering is another. show your support by letting them do they're job n stop shit talking them 08:04 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to MailOurMilitary
noahdavidsimon @emom is an idiot 08:04 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to eMom
noahdavidsimon @BlueTeddy fight against email our troops. I'm starting a new group. It's called GET OUR BOYZ LAID and no Cookies and Milk 08:03 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to BlueTeddy
noahdavidsimon fight the power of the twitter yentas. email our troops is an outrageous idea from people that don't support the troops.this is a nightmare. 08:00 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon protest against @emom and tell her that we don't trust the people on twitter to deal with the boys in combat 07:59 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon as if our boys don't have the moral problem as is. Now we got YENTAS sending emails with BLUE STATE persuasions. THIS IS A FRONT 07:59 PM April 17, 2008 from web
noahdavidsimon @Dayngr a little worried about having these TWITTER people writing the troops. from talking around here I don't think the troops need this 07:57 PM April 17, 2008 from web in reply to Dayngr
objections in case U were wondering. this is also @NoahDavidSimon .created this account 2 follow certain people better. call it a real friend account 08:02 PM April 16, 2008 from web
How much more proof of harassment and abuse is needed for Twitter to take action? Just curious.
I’m concerned that twitter doesn't enforce it's own Terms of Service
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Inappropriate?Oh, of course it's very, very political in a hundred ways. The entire concept of "support our troops" is something that the extremist anti-war movement, which couldn't get traction with their usual political agenda, has invaded in order to try to co-opt it and use it as a cover.
Some using the "mail our military" concept now are definitely trying to inject a certain viewpoint on the war. This can readily be seen. And it does raise disturbing issues about showering troops in combat with these messages. There's the simple, personal concern that troops with limited time on email shouldn't have to wade through a shower of "wellwishers" who are Obama supporters in order to see their real loved ones' mail. These wellwishers on the Internet are merely looking for a facile social movement to infiltrate, in order to percolate their views up through social media and communications tools. I find that very creepy, and I don't think they should get away with this lightly.
I say this as someone who opposes the war in Iraq and would like to find more effective ways to have a peace movement around it than using this sort of hidden-agenda tactic, invading an innocent concept like "mail our military" which could have been sparked (although wasn't entirely) by people just following a long-time American concept of sending postcards to military through USPO. -
I'm not really sure what this has to do with the "get satisfation" topic of banning a user abusing the system.
It's clear you don't know much about eMail Our Military (eMOM) or how it works. I suggest that if you have questions related to eMailOurMilitary.com or @MailOurMilitary they should be addressed there, not here. -
Sorry, but I do get to comment on MailourMilitary *as it is being used as a campaign on Twitter by the e-moms* -- I sure do. Without having to go to other sites. Your notion that we can't be politically correct unless we first imbibe doctrine from other site is misplaced. Sure, I get all the caveats and FAQs there are to get about emoms, which I got long ago, that they aren't "unsolicited" but "solicited" because the soldiers sign up to receive emom stuff. BUT the problem is when you have a public service like Twitter than massively beginning to participate, and when you haev so many exploiting this campaign to flog their own particular brand of Obama support and anti-war rhetoric, it not only threatens to overwhm the system, it creates this fake sense of a popular movement involved only superficial in "troop support" when in fact it's very much a hidden agenda. -
Let me remind you that you don't have to support the war effort to support the troops fighting in it. We all want them home safe and sound, even those of us involved in it. I suggest you check your facts about the troops and what they want -- and maybe even donate some time to work with the people, not the politics -- before making grand sweeping statements. Knowing that the military, which is an apolitical agency, is supported by the homefront makes our soldiers, airmen, sailors, marines, and guardsmen that much more efficient. -
One of the inane memes of this "support our troops" stuff is that you can derail any pro-war or anti-war movement by emotionally and manipulatively invoking it. And that's got to stop. I've checked my facts. And the presence/ideas/sentiments of these soldiers, while something you can invoke as an emotional tripwire, is frankly immaterial to the larger issue of the suffering of many thousands more Iraqi people, and the larger problem of how to end the war so they stop suffering, and our people aren't killed ineffectually unable to stop their suffering. The whole "support our troops" meme is used like a chloriformed cloth to suffocate any debate on the war's solutions or wider effects. The military isn't apolitical in a context like the world's top power deploying it. It would be naive to suggest that. This isn't a war forums, but the notion that you can enforce you take on this is troublesome. Tweeter needs to remain free to counter views like yours, and not have them declared "stalking" and "spam" when they do. -
Inappropriate?No. 1, this person disagrees with your politics. and they have a right to. And it's a needed dissent, let me tell you.
Their manner of delivering this message is despicable, crude, and vulgar. But to start screeching about stalking and libelling may be premature when you can *just not follow your name on Twitter and not have a vanity feed*. You seem to want to insist on the vanity-feed cake, and to be able to eat it too, i.e. make it flavourful with only what you want to see in it.
I wouldn't look to Twitter management to solve this problem of stalking and libel if you really believe it to be a severe problem. Call your lawyer and get them working on it. A letter from counsel to the Twitter management as a provider might prompt at least a temporary suspension of the account, or you can press it further through discovery and try to get the real-life coordinates of this person and go through a court with it if you feel strongly.
But it's hard to insist on the nerfing of Twitter and making it less an open system just from this guy's antics. It seems like overkill.
I oppose the war, and I voted for Obama in the primaries. But I really hate the extreme leftists around the campaign being so insensitive to dissent against them, and being so arrogant and orthodox-minded, because they could well lose us the elections, and that's just awful!
I see exactly what this guy is talking about -- a smug, self-referential group of mommy-bloggers and Silicon Valley blogging A-listers and techlibs who were very uncritical of Rev. Wright, who push Obama to the left; who have their own agenda and are hugely insensitive to others objecting to either their views of tactics. Mailourmilitary is indeed something troublesome in their hands.
The manner in which this guy has put forward his beef with these people is retarded, stalking, re-tweeting, being vulgar and crude. We all get that.
But...just how is *anybody* who doesn't like the smarmy blanketing of Twitter with these big emommy influencers able to dissent, if we can't write about them? -
Inappropriate?Prok,
Whats with all the politics? I am no A-Lister, I'm a conservative independent, I think Rev. Wright is an ass... should I go on? I follow people who are passionately anti-war and have really good discussions with them (see @vaspersthegrate).
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Inappropriate?First, supporting the troops does not mean supporting the war effort. They are totally different concepts.
Second, the topic of discussion is about violations and lack of enforcement of Twitter's terms of service, which is a contract for use. Politics and apolitical agencies have nothing to do with the basic fact that Twitter does not seem to care about the people it serves.
I suggest we get back on topic.
I’m frustrated by Twitter.
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Inappropriate?It seems hes made someones day though.
http://podbastard.com/shitlist/
And a big thanks to Tweetscan for replying to me and mentioning that they are aware of the context.
Next stop im with Dayngr and co and suggest that the TOS is broken when its harassing or aggressive.
Profoky Twiiter and its tools are not a Govt agency they are private businesses. So your 1st to nth Amendment issues or free speech and freedoms dont actually carry weight over civil matters but your going to want to have the last word here as well so why not take it we all know you will.
To the twitter guys, im sure your listening some how so please do let us know
Thanks to everyone else.
I’m Amused
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Inappropriate?Michael, they aren't as different as you imagine, that is, there are people who very much do NOT support the war and use the "support our troops" meme to infiltrate an anti-war perspective into innocent and superficial patriotic movements. That sort of infiltration is what the offender here has responded to. It's on topic only as a good example of how dissent against the prevailing politically-correct view leads some to cry "stalker" and "spam" when that may be too blunt an axe.
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As you are wont to believe. Since you want the last word to spread your own agenda, go ahead and take it; your right to do so is maintained by the blood, sweat, and tears of the United States military. That's the meaning of supporting the troops. Meanwhile, I will continue to discuss the actual topic at hand, which is Twitter's disregard for the populace that makes it function, not politics, perceived or otherwise. -
I disagree, and it isn't because I have some organized "agenda" here, I simply find your tone and your argumentation facile and silly. My right to disagree in fact is established by the Constitution and separation of powers. If all that backed that up was military might and military suffering, the First Amendment would not be credible, and wouldn't have survived these centuries. Military might, even with suffering, cannot justify a republic alone: it must operate under the rule of law with the consent of the government.
Twitter isn't "disregarding the populace". You are *not* the populace. You do not speak for all Twitterers; you are not elected nor even acclaimed by any huge number of followers. Your notion of what the Twitter managers are doing is just your notion. It's not shared by everyone. Try to put yourself in perspective. -
Inappropriate?The topic of discussion is about TOS violations on Twitter & Twitter's apparent lack of enforcement and reporting.
I’m concerned that twitter doesn't enforce it's own Terms of Service
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You've repeated this so many times here that you're the spammer now. And it is *only your notion* that what is required here is "an enforcement of terms of service*. That's your subjective read on it, one I don't share. I tend to think you just need to read your vanity feed less *shrugs*. -
Inappropriate?Loudmouthman,
Duh, Twitter is a private agency. And duh, private non-state actors do not HAVE to enforce the First Amendment precisely because they are non-state actors. Gosh, do you think someone like me who has been following these issues for 30 years is not going to get that? Geez. Your notion that everyone who disagrees with you needs a smarmy little homily and a lecture about corporations is *severely*misplaced. Get over yourself.
No, what I'm doing rather than "speaking from ignorance about how private corporations work" DUH is I'm inviting you (or rather, hoping, while looking over your shoulder, as you are close-minded on this) to think outside the box.
Government and media are in a state, if not of dissolution and disintegration, at least severe compromise, and severe questioning.
In that sort of situation, the new media/the social media start-ups pretending to large audiences and huge participation *become like governments*.
They affect and influence huge swathes of people and their responsibilities to behave as responsible corporate citizens, and as keepers of the public commons grow exponentially to their level of participants.
In the U.S., the Supreme Court or higher courts have ruled, say, that the Boy Scouts get to keep out gays, because they are a private club. The right to freedom of expression of gays doesn't trump the right of association of this private club.
But in other cases, the Mall of America didn't get a ruling enabling it to keep out people with political T-shirts critical of Bush. And that's because it's right to be a private corporation *when it holds the public space* isn't absolutist, and cannot trump free expression.
So it's a balance, and one being *refought and reconsidered and reestablished daily* whether you realize it, or wish for it or not.
When something like Twitter becomes the chief form of news and not just the chief form of noise for a lot of people, it has huge social implications.
Many people will form or reassert their notions of whom to vote for in the elections based on Twittering.
In that context, the right to free expression and the second part of the First Amendment becomes relevant: where will the people go to petition their grievances to the keepers of social media, the owners and coders? You want government regulation?
If old media is dying, if it's ad revenue is drying up, if nobody watches it, how is the public to be informed? By its precious little Twitter girlfriends and emoms who pitch only one point of view?
If government is discredited and in transition, who will mediate the media?! Who will watch the watchers?
Social media, only in its embryonic stages now, will grow more vast, more pervasive, more all-knowing and all-seeing. And that's why you have to care NOW, while it is being shaped, how it behaves with First Amendment values.
Where will the First Amendment be enforced and be available, especially its second part about petitioning those in power, if private corporations owning social media, and their coder dev friends in Silicon Valley, get to run it completely? It's no good saying "go to one of the blog companies owned by the Silicon Valley companies" -- they may block/ban you and use some master shit list.
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Inappropriate?Noah David Simon called me a c*nt and a feminazi, harassed me and my fiance Kosso, and made me feel very uneasy and threatened with his aggressive attitude, using multiple twitter accounts.
see my twitter favourites: http://twitter.com/01000101/favorites
I had a similar thing happen on myspace when he sent me countless friend requests that I refused (because he seemed unlike a person I would want to associate myself with) and he verbally assaulted me for it. Eventually I reported him to myspace and he got the boot. (and as far as I am aware has started another account.)
In researching him on the internet, I have found posts and comments on blogs by him where he states he was booted from facebook as well. Clearly this guy likes to test the boundaries and offend as many people as possible in the process. I would like to see something done about this.
It is my right to not *have* to make my twitter feed (among other things) private on the internet and I refuse to change the way I use social media and its networks because of this guy.
Something should be done about him, I am not the only one he has abused and this is not the first social media network he has abused.
I’m angry, anxious and very unhappy
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you think myspace kicked me off because of you? lol... your insane.
myspace didn't like my artwork... and this happened almost 5 or 6 months after you acted like "manon"
I have seen enough crap flying around twitter to realize by this point that you are marketing the personality of a "Beeee-aaaaah!", even your photos generally portray hostility. I get it... ok? We all know your not a nice person. -
Inappropriate?No. This isn't a violation. Annoying? You bet. Hostile, abusive, defamatory or stalkerish? No.
However, that being said, I think Twitter should implement some changes that would solve this problem.
A) make the ability to report abusive profiles visible on every single profile. After a certain number of abuse claims the profile is suspended for review.
B) When a person blocks a follower, that follower should no longer have access to the blocker's profile or stream. This should transfer to other twitter related sites.
My 2 cents
@seanmarler
I’m mildly annoyed
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Well stated. That would be an excellent solution. -
Except that "block" is false pretense. This he is correct about. Block merely makes it inconvenient. Any public Twitter page can be subscribed via RSS, viewed from any browser, etc. You just have to assumed the lowest of the low are watching you, and then own your words. IMHO, the only function of "block" is to exert your idea A above. I have heard, but do not know for sure, that enough "blocks" will lead to the suspension of an account. -
Sean. Scroll up to a list of links I posted to tweets directed at me and my fiancee - Hostile, abusive, defamatory or stalkerish? Yes indeed. -
Inappropriate?I should have read the comments before posting my last comment.
Obviously, his behavior IS stalkerish and this is done with malicious intent.
Twitter should nuke the a$$hole.
@seanmarler
From the previous comment (I'm deleting it):
"However, that being said, I think Twitter should implement some changes that would solve this problem.
A) make the ability to report abusive profiles visible on every single profile. After a certain number of abuse claims the profile is suspended for review.
B) When a person blocks a follower, that follower should no longer have access to the blocker's profile or stream. This should transfer to other twitter related sites."
I’m pissed
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Yes, you should have, I was about to get very annoyed with you - please view my favourites at twitter, particularly this one: http://twitter.com/noahdavidsimon/sta...
http://twitter.com/01000101/favorites
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You were going to get annoyed with me for having, and expressing, a different opinion? wow. I respect your opinion so much now. I'm glad you took a moment to speak your mind.
But I have to ask: Am I supposed to care that you were going to be annoyed with me? Really? (it is a rhetorical question - your response will be ignored by me.)
cyabye. -
sorry, I realise I hadn't communicated my point correctly - I didn't intend to offend you - my point was that I was relieved to see you further comment on this guy's behaviour, because clearly this goes beyond the points you made in your original comment. I apologise for any miscommunication. -
Inappropriate?What the hell does it take for Twitter to take this seriously? This guy is clearly abusing the TOS and the system from multiple accounts.
I'm getting sick of it.
GET RID OF HIM
I’m frustrated
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Inappropriate?Maybe it will take another version of the Kathy Sierra story to happen for twitter to wake up, by the looks of things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Si...
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I certainly hope not. I should think Twitter will be more proactive. They can't afford the negative publicity should someone be physically or even emotionally hurt from this guy. -
He's already very close to it, and to quote him: "...it doesn't get followers... but it does get your name tweeted around the internet as a guy to fear. I like fear" http://twitter.com/noahdavidsimon/sta... -
Inappropriate?IMHO, yes, it is a violation of Terms of Service because the TOS state that you own copyright to your tweets and his actions violate that.
I am less confident of this but suspect that creating so many accounts also violates the TOS.
His misogyny, hate speech, stalking and abusive actions may or may not violate TOS but certainly violate community norms. Twitter should act, or allow the default process (if one exists) of many many people blocking him to in essence "vote him off the island."
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Inappropriate?Here is my take (and I only skimmed the comments so please forgive if it is a repeat).
The issue here is malicious intent. Malicious intent, to me, is anti-social behavior and anti-social behavior is not really appropriate on a social network (at least thats what logic tells me). I do not believe this particular practice is against the TOS (I do believe some of his other, harassing, activities are).
However, if I were Twitter, I would be more concerned about this than a TOE violation, to be honest. This is a deliberate effort to undermine the structure and function of their system. Standing by and allowing this is setting a very bad precedent.
Further, as a member of the Twitter community, it gives me great pause. If someone in my neighborhood was willingly and with malice of forethought trying to usurp the guidelines of the neighborhood association, I would expect them to do something about it. Should the fail, I would probably remove myself from that environment. Not necessarily because that activity would adversely efect me, but because the next one might, and I now know that the folks with the ability to do something about it... won't. -
Inappropriate?There are really only 2 questions here - despite the abundance of posts.
1) Is he abusing the Twitter TOS?
2) Will Twitter enforce those TOS if he is?
Many folks above have documented (at length) behavior that we all feel clearly violates the terms of service - specifically, using Twitter accounts to intentionally harass and abuse other Twitterer members and violating their copyrights.
Someone on the company's side needs to now determine definitively if they agree with us that the TOS have been repeatedly violated by this individual.
If Twitter doesn't believe that is the case, THEY NEED TO STATE SO.
If Twitter does determine that he is violating the TOS, we would appreciate knowing if they intend on doing anything to enforce them and to prohibit his person from continuing to do so.
This isn't community policing - this is community asking for the COMPANY to respond to complaints from multiple sources that this individual has violated the TOS.
Please address the issue, Twitter.
There's more than enough pointless debate here - it's time someone in a position of authority within the company stepped up and addressed this.
I’m exasperated
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Inappropriate?I am profoundly upset about this guy. First he was harassing @queenofspain in truly frightening ways. Next up was @emailourmilitary. I blocked him, but saw him come up in about 5 or 6 new names.
Can't Twitter ban his IP address? This guy is psychotic and I think this goes beyond Twitter. He is clearly a danger to himself and others from what I can tell. -
I agree. He has done this sort of thing outside of twitter, and has harassed my fiance and I to the point where I was shaking. He might not have broken TOS, but he has abused a basic principle of community by abusing several people and he is getting away with it because he's hiding behind a computer screen. If he did any of this in a real, physical space, he would probably qualify for several restraining orders and more.
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Inappropriate?And let me help Twitter out. This moron always uses the following description: MANY EYES WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES DRESSES IN BASEMENT
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Inappropriate?Mosqueda, take a deep breath. All the guy is doing is taking very legitimate and needed dissent against @QueenofSpain and @emailourmilitary, two A-lister, very pervasive presences and very judgemental presences on Twitter, and trying to twit them back precisely because they *are* so blanketing. I find them really suffocating myself -- their echo-chamber views are insular and self-referential, and their chatty girlfriend talk on such a high-visible public forum, with constant fanning and self-adoration by their followers, is really smarmy. They are nasty and catty about people they don't like. They are gushing and ass-kissing to those they love. They have hugely opinionated and intolerant views, i.e. knee-jerk pro-Obama. It's repugnant. Yet Twitter is not for the faint-hearted -- you have to expect to see people you don't like on here.
He's reacting to an actual phenom that makes quite a number of us, I'm sure, puke -- self-referential affluent Valley girls trying to take over the discourse.
His methods are unacceptable. But the more people fight him, the more he will dig in his heels, because he's got a point -- people trying to block out dissent gainst those girls aren't at heart "wrong", just dissenting against their takeover of social media.
His saying, while weird, has a point: people live in glass houses on Twitter, they want all eyes on them constantly, they want adoring fans (people like @QueenofSpain) and yet they also demand the privacy to "dress in the basement" when they feel like it. And I say: you can't have both.
I don't see that there's necessarily anything psychotic about this guy, although is vulgar, crude and nasty language is disturbing.
I'm not willing to let YOU decide what is "sick" or "wrong" because I don't trust you -- you are too reactive.
Furthermore, you may not be aware that many people using DSL lines have dynamic IPs and trying to block them is hard or impossible or creates to many false flags. IP blocking isn't a solution.
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"I'm not willing to let YOU decide what is "sick" or "wrong" because I don't trust you -- you are too reactive." - that is exactly what you are doing. This thread, by the way, is not about vanity feeds or who is more popular on twitter. This is about a person who has harassed several members of our community and possibly violated the TOS in some way, which, we are trying to figure out - this thread is intended to bring awareness to that fact.
Honestly, if you're not here to stay on topic, why are you here at all? - Aside from being argumentative for the sake of it.
You are noise and I am not going to read any further comments of yours.
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I just can't agree with you. He is very frightening. I couldn't disagree politically more with QueenofSpain but she's a nice person. His thing with EMOM is mystifying. He has no clue. I know firsthand how important it is to feel supported by my fellow citizens when I'm out on the battlefield. -
I wish there was a way to 'block' or filter out her posts on this thread! Bloody-minded, argumentative, off-topic noise. -
1) Mosqueda is not the only arbitrer of what our troops feel, nor the arbiter of what emoms are -- I, for one, am totally turned off by the emoms I have seen here b) it is about vanity feeds, 01000101, because you can only see this guy if you WISH TO and that means IF YOU TRACK YOURSELF. Don't use vanity feed track if you don't want this. I have no motivation or reason to "argue for the sake of arguing". I'm concerned about the overall openness of Twitter. The idea that somebody who doesn't agree with you is "off-topic noise" and "bloody-minded" is just plain weird. I wouldn't say that about you. I simply think you have too narrow a take on this subject and need to zoom out more. -
Inappropriate?I'm very much on topic, and sorry, you're not the arbiter of this. You may find my larger conceptual points "noise," perhaps they are pitched over your head if you don't think conceptually. Understood.
The problem is that your little problem of what you view as harassment of your little community as you define your little posse is something that has larger ramifications. Your reading of somebody's dissent against your use of Twitter as "a violation of the TOS" or as "wrong" or as "sick" is just the sort of thing we can't allow to get legs in a democratic society, because it's just too oppressive. You're just not enlightened enough about the meaning of these terms, and their ramifications. -
This is the last of the attention I will pay you - but I will say this.
I do not appreciate you and your self-righteous BS clouding the point here. I don't give a damn about your political opinions right now, because the topic here, for the second time, (just in case you missed it) is NOT politics, democracy, Armanians or whatever self-serving "vanity" topic you want to throw in here. DO NOT undermine the genuine THREAT that people feel from this person. I, for one, was SHAKING last night because of this fear-monger. And I will not tolerate being abused by a coward who can hide behind a screen, much less be intimidated by a patronising extremist like you. I have heard about your penchant for trolling and getting involved in flaming wars, and frankly, I think that just reflects a very bored mind. Go vent your politics and frustrations elsewhere so we *the concerned* may solve this issue. I obviously speak for many of us here - WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR TROLLING.
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I'm sorry - it is YOU who has completely missed the point here, we are talking about BEING HARASSED and FEELING UNSAFE and that fact alone is compromising our very freedom to move in the internet - possibly THE most democratic "place" on this planet. Someone is ABUSING people and he thrives on creating an oppressive environment for the people he abuses.
"it does get your name tweeted around the internet as a guy to fear. I like fear" - http://twitter.com/noahdavidsimon/sta... -
Prok: are YOU the arbiter here? I'm not. Nor is anyone else - apart from arguably loudmouthman, who started this question. You've got such a chip on your shoulder around the surrounding issues here. You're arrogant and condescending. At one stage I admired your 'crusades' online, battling what's wrong with some humans and the communities which they grow. But you're just being !@#$-ing annoying now. I can see why some people flame you constantly now. Urgh. -
You're incapable of reason, apparently, and can only argue from some highly-subjective specifics of your little situation -- and that frankly, I fear far more than some insecure loser on the Internet wagging around some "fear" stick. He's ridiculous because it's obvious his methods are wrong. You're more of a problem because your insularity isn't as visible as a problem.
I am not a troll, and I reject the idea that anybody who disagrees with you, or doesn't stay on topic as you believe it should be done, or as some little posse of your gal pals think it should be done. This sort of insularity and small-mindedness is really more of a problem to the republic of Twitter than the occasional obvious Internet loon, precisely because you may get legs with this kind of small mindedness.
You can't call to mute/censor out people in a normal democratic debate, it's ridiculous. Don't do it. it's not necessary. And again, if this Internet freak is bothering you, *stop reading your vanity feed*. -
You're incapable of reason, apparently, and can only argue from some highly-subjective specifics of your little situation -- and that frankly, I fear far more than some insecure loser on the Internet wagging around some "fear" stick. He's ridiculous because it's obvious his methods are wrong. You're more of a problem because your insularity isn't as visible as a problem.
I am not a troll, and I reject the idea that anybody who disagrees with you, or doesn't stay on topic as you believe it should be done, or as some little posse of your gal pals think it should be done. This sort of insularity and small-mindedness is really more of a problem to the republic of Twitter than the occasional obvious Internet loon, precisely because you may get legs with this kind of small mindedness.
You can't call to mute/censor out people in a normal democratic debate, it's ridiculous. Don't do it. it's not necessary. And again, if this Internet freak is bothering you, *stop reading your vanity feed*. -
Oh, I totally understand the concept of violent freaks making a space not democratic. That's why on my own blog, I make sure commenters only use RL names or SL names that are recognizable.
But feeling "unsafe"? That's a stretch. If you have put your RL info on your website and linked it to Twitter, you will have to realize you are not safe in some real absolute sense. You will be noticed; anyone could in theory stalk you. Don't follow your vanity feed so assiduously, it will then make you freak out less. -
Finally! Thanks for that comment Prokofy, I appreciate and agree with most of what you've said in your last comment and you are right. But - you should know, I actually don't have a "vanity feed". -
That's the second time I've seen you bring gender in to this. 'gal-pals', and 'geeky male MMORPGers'. Catherine, you really do have a chip on your shoulder. I feel sorry for you. You're always fighting other people's causes. You appear to be acting like someone who is deeply bitter about something that happened to you, or something you lack. Don't waste what good you have got, here. You're going to give yourself a heart attack getting all riled up everywhere you go (online). Yours, Jon. Move on. From this thread. Please. -
People who insist on google-stalking and bringing in my RL name, when I've stated a preference to use my SL pen name, are abusive themselves. And I often find curiously, without even especially being some feminist or gender-obsessed nutter, that it's male geeky types doing that. Stop it! I don't have any chip on my shoulder. I just don't want smarmy little police informants running the public space. You're not the only one in this public commons, Try to acquire a sense of yourself. I'm not having any heart attack. I do not require any meds, I'm not bitter, and I'm uh, not reaching for guns or religion in any particular way. I'm fine : )
You on the other hand are truly riled and obsessed in the worse kind of macho way about somebody talking smack to your gilfriend. Get over it? Move on yourself, dear. -
If you use track and see these re-tweets, you have a vanity feed 01000101. -
Thanks hon, I guess you aren't familiar with the concept of receiving replies from people you don't follow? And yes, I did finally manage to block all his current (that I know of) accounts and am no longer receiving/seeing re-tweets. Thanks for your incessant concern about whether I do or don't track myself though, it's very constructive... -
Inappropriate?I'm confused. If I block/ignore someone and they continue to show up, isn't that a Twitter issue? Perhaps they should just make a better way of blocking or come up with a way to enforce their TOS.
I’m confused
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doug, the issue isn't them just showing up in your regular feed, it's about showing up when you use the track function, which is when you have a vanity-feed, using track to see what others are saying about you, what they are writing using the @sign. -
Inappropriate?All I can say is that I agree with QueenofSpain and MailOurMilitary, and disagree as strongly as possible with Prokofy.
I’m disappointed in Prokofy and in Twitter.
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Inappropriate?"it doesn't get followers... but it does get your name tweeted around the internet as a guy to fear. I like fear" - http://twitter.com/noahdavidsimon/sta...
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His re-tweeting is a nuisance, but it seems that is the least of our concerns. I said this before, but if this was a face-to-face situation, he would qualify for the likes of a restraining order if not more. It is time we take cyber abuse seriously.
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Sounds like he just likes to spout idiotic insecure fake-bully stuff. He's not face-to-face. You're on the Internet. You're home, and you're safe. He's just an idiot. You can't take such abuse so seriously that you restrain-order all of Twitter expression just to satisfy your little dictatorial wishes. -
I agree with you until the point where you unnecessarily pass judgement on me, "dictatorial"? You are very misguided. There is no need for you to get personal here, or twist people's words to suit your concept of who they are. That would be indicative of you being ignorant and prejudiced after all, and you're much more intelligent than that. Misguided perhaps, but not stupid. You have wasted too much of my time (and yours).
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