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Is @panopticons abusing the Terms of Service
It seems @panopticons is retweeting peoples comments via a bot. This ordinarily would not be a problem but it screws with Tweetscan and other tools
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We're in the process of reviewing the accounts mentioned in this thread and taking appropriate action where needed. We believe that some of the actions taken by the owner of these accounts do constitute a breach of the terms.
I want to emphasize, however, that this is not a judgement about the content posted from these accounts. We do not see it as our job to adjudicate disputes about content between users. That is, we do not think we will be good or effective at determining what is harassing or offensive. Nor do we think these judgements should be left up to majority rule. We think we should provide the tools that allow users to engage or ignore as they see fit.
We believe these accounts are in violation of the terms because the cross posting of updates from multiple accounts is a way to undermine the block and unfollow functions. Twitter is a recipient-driven service and when abusers seek to negate the ability for users to choose what content they receive from other users, they degrade our service. This is the stated intent of the abuser in question in this thread.
Not all of our tools are perfect - we have improvements to make on a number of fronts. And not all of these polices are as transparent as they should be. I've started a separate thread about the policy we intend to support. It lives here.
Thanks for taking a look and helping us think about these issues.
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Inappropriate?The account appears to be owned by @noahdavidsimon, fwiw.
He explains his purpose for creating that account (and many others) in this blogpost
An excerpt from that blogpost:
Eventually I assume most of you will unfollow n block me... but by that point I will have perfected the craft of puppet accounts! puppet accounts can be fed N2 a root account, where I can follow all fools that thought they could block me. there is NO blocking! the final account will take the RSS feed of multiple accounts and run it N2 one account. you will not realize the new account is me.
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken? -
JIHAD! my accounts are all dead except for http://twitter.com/yellowpage which they left a paraplegic and can no longer update. JIHAD! my new account is http://twitter.com/TheAnalysis http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.com/2008_05_16_archive.html
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why Panopticons was created - the modern twitter panopticon of pure transparency has been exposed http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-panopticons-was-created-modern.html I just want to remind twitter that Panopticons was created not to be a nuisance, but rather to remind the community that the transparent architecture of twitter with obvious security pratfalls is no place to solicit support, councilors and so called "advice givers" for our military. EMail our Military claims to screen applicants, but I found them soliciting council in the most hostile on neighborhoods on twitter. Besides the fact that most of the population online is very against the war like Reverend Wright and sympathetic to terrorist action, I'm also concerned as to the mental health of soldiers in the military dealing with such complexities when mere day to day survival are of issue. It is a great irony that twitter deleted Panopticons for architectural in-fractures! Panopticons exposed twitter for hypocrisy and the only reason it was disabled was to censure, which is what twitter should of been doing from the get go with Email our Military. The American prison systems of the late 18th and 19th centuries utilised the notion of the Panopticon - Jeremy Bentham's design that allowed all prisoners to see each other (pan, all; optic, see/observe) and therefore reduce the duty and necessity of prison guards.The original panopticon got the prisoners to work menial jobs whilst all in each other's sight lines, therefore turning the watched and the watchers into one. The modern twitter panopticon of pure transparency has been exposed. The twitter transparency is only transparent when @Jack wants it to be, and it is very obvious that twitter wants the safety of American youth serving in Iraq to be transparent. There is no doubt that twitter is very hostile to male culture, what better way to surveillance what twitter fears more then anything else? Of course twitter is attempting to hide behind transparency. Of course twitter will claim there in no censorship! That is what a Panopticons is all about. Even facebook has some opaque elements, but twitter is just pure tyranny because what is opaque is arbitrary and dependent on pretensions.
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Inappropriate?I just noticed that the retweeting by the account in question is done using Twitterfeed, which has its own support forum here in GetSatisfaction.
Also, he lists all his Twitter accounts on his site:
http://twitter.com/MediaAnalyses
http://twitter.com/CriticalMedia
http://twitter.com/CriticalAnalyst
http://twitter.com/Objections
http://twitter.com/TheBlackBook
http://twitter.com/avantgarde
http://twitter.com/artspace
http://twitter.com/artforum
http://twitter.com/TheYellowPages
http://twitter.com/YellowBook
http://twitter.com/YellowPage
http://twitter.com/WhitePage
http://twitter.com/WhiteBook
http://twitter.com/BIGCock
http://twitter.com/HUGECock
http://twitter.com/BIGPenis
http://twitter.com/HUGEPenis
http://twitter.com/TheJesus
http://twitter.com/TheGod
http://twitter.com/TheSatan
http://twitter.com/QRU
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next panopticons will be an imaginary friend in friendfeed that uses rss from sneak accounts on twitter. how does that break architecture on twitter? ur thoughts? and will twitter bother to delete the accounts now? the reflection will happen off twitter!
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Inappropriate?The thing is, if he would just lock those account updates away then he can play with the streams till the cows come home. But hes crossing the streams and and thats not a good thing !
I’m amused
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken?
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I'm going to have more fun with your RSS on friendfeed. come join the Twit-Out... we will teach twitter a thing or two about they're pretensions of free expression. See you there!
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Inappropriate?I never blocked Noah, nor have I spoken against him. Blocking panopticons because it is chewing up my RSS didn't help. RSS helps me keep track of @ replies I may have missed. I can't DM him now because he stopped following me, but I fear it will do no good anyway. This is the pain of early adoption. Twitter will have to do something about this kind of thing if they are going to sell the container or market otherwise to businesses.
I’m sad & frustrated.
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken?
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you never blocked Noah... heh heh... I love the lies
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http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.com/2008/05/purplecar.html
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Inappropriate?We need to leave these sorts of things alone and stop this self-organized policing of Twitter that is highly suspect all on its own.
I have no idea what Panopticons is, why it follows and re-tweets me, or whether it is part of the same sort of secret police style reporting that @PurpleCar does with her @OddFollow and friends whose updates are "protected" only in a group different than hers (which is why she may not like it) or whether it's just some marketing hack scraping data or what it is. But I can't care.
Because the system gives us two tools: unfollow and block. Use them. Stop whining. Leave the system open.
Make an internal system to do group IMs in your own company if you need to chat among yourselves without other people, don't use Twitter. Yahoo Messenger with a group is also an option for those who get so flustered by other people on the Internet.
I’m confident.
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Inappropriate?He (Noah David Simon (artist - http://www.simonstudio.com/ark/ ), son of Roger Hendricks Simon (acting coach - http://www.simonstudio.com/), brother of David Hendricks Simon (actor - http://www.simonstudio.com/daniel/ and @danielhsimon on Twitter) is clearly using a list of publicly available (ie: non-private) user rss feeds and retweeting them to an ever expanding list of user accounts. If one gets blocked he can easily activate another.
All accounts lead back to a Noah David Simon, who on his blog has an account of his 'bots' going wild [ http://simonstudiotheatre.blogspot.co... ]
I think 'white hat' hacking is commendable way to expose security and privacy holes in Twitter, but all I see is a black hat with loose marbles.
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This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken?
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oh the horror! the horror... What a World... What a World... What a World
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hey Kosso... I'm enjoying your girl's RSS in friendfeed. Well not actually... I'm lying. She frankly bores me, but I could if I wanted to.
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Inappropriate?I recently took the decision to block all of noahdavidsimon's twitter accounts. He basically started coming across as a deranged stalker with fairly extreme rightwing views. When his various twitter accounts started crossposting ad infinitum, I blocked them all.
I think the guy is really just trying to mess with people's heads, and I'm simply not interested in his rubbish.
I would like to see twitter do something about the abusiveness inherent in the techniques he's been using to harass and spam people.
And I really don't want to be duped into being followed by this guy anymore. It's all just so unnecessary.3 Comments Add a comment
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I agree! There is an open discussion about this on @WiredPig's blog as well as mine.
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DAYNGR JUST PLUGGED IT FOR THE PIGGY... sound like a good title for BLT sandwich OINKERS!
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Get Satisfaction and Libel - WRONGFUL ACCUSATIONS also there is a certain matter of "Get Satisfaction"'s right to allow people arbitrarily accuse me of stalking. I'd like to make the case for libel if Get Satisfaction and TWITTER want to be so arbitrary. I want to give an example of "stalking" that is going through the courts in Beverly Hills (where MySpace is based) and let me establish and elaborate why what I am doing is different. Here is the link and I will quote the article here. L.A. files 'cyber bully' charges against Missouri mother in connection with girl's suicide http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/la-me-myspace16-2008may16,0,1266040.story Lori Drew is accused of creating a fraudulent MySpace persona whose comments may be linked to the teen's death. differences are the following (1) it is very clear that all my accounts were in fact me. Everything I did was transparent, as opposed to the actions of TWITTER that took action without informing me. (2) I never pretended that the accounts were not me. (3) I never got intimately involved in such a way with any of the above people that I could inflict emotional pain after impersonating another person (4) frankly it would be a very sad thing if the woman defendant in this case above "IS" convicted. This would open the floodgates for all kinds of accusations that would put innocent people in jail. (5) (a) if there were architectural breaches and not vile content issues, then the breaches of twitter architecture were not clearly outlined. (b) if the issue is vile speech then why did twitter let me get harangued by Palestinian sympathizers that were clearly anti-Semitic like @MarkDavidson and @QueenofSpain? Certainly @Hamas should be censored then as well. (6) if the RSS feeds go to an imaginary friend in friendfeed, is this still stalking? Why are my actions an infraction of the architecture and not an infraction of content?
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Inappropriate?This man has emotional issues, in my opinion, and it would be in his and other Twitter users best interest to remove him completely from the service... it may be that he's trying to make a statement by mimicking/symbolising the common, but erroneous notion of Paranoid Schizophrenia via internet generated multiple personalities, or simply trying to make his behaviour look that way, when he is in fact, actually, quite rational. Whatever, he is highly motivated, more than ordinarily so, which suggests some current emotional issues..He's also comparing himself with God, Jesus, Satan, etc and trying to suggest he's very powerful, perhaps omnipotent..cannot be stopped.
I’m fed up with this man
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I agree! There is an open discussion about this on @WiredPig's blog as well as mine. This guy is using ALL of his accounts to abuse twitter in some way, shape or form. Twitter should just block this guy's IP and be done with him already. How many people have to complain before action is taken?
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love the psychological profiles. good start for your police state. So Dayngr plugs the piggies blog on several threads and "Get Satisfaction" does nothing. More Hypocrisy. It is getting hard to take this serious.
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Inappropriate?This person is obviously thumbing his nose at Twitter and a whole bunch of fun Twitterers. Get him out of here!
I’m sad
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and that is why I am watching your RSS from friendfeed
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Inappropriate?I fail to see why his family members should have any bearing on judging his behaviour. Is this some kind of Kangaroo Court here run by village "elders" we didn't elect? What about due process?
I also fail to understand how judgements about the defendant's mental capacity or intentions can accurately be made remotely at a distance, without proper medical certification and a face-to-face examination.
I fail to see why somebody overcoming the fussy and school-marmy nature of some echo-chamber A-listers and social media power-marketers is necessarily a "black hat hacker". That is, my mind is definitely open on this, because I hate hacking and griefers, but I want to see what is "griefing" you unless your bitch is that your vanity feed about yourself is "messed up". Don't...have a vanity feed then? Just watch your own feed in real time, when you have the time, just unfollow people who annoy you, and block those who seem to chat at you so that at least in real time they can't see you (and would have to read a page, use the sort of techniques this guy is using, or use Tweetscan).
I'd like to hear a non-emotional, non-judgemental account, please of what it is that this guy does that really constitutes "spam," if you can just unfollow the accounts coming into your view? Awaiting...
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Prok, Noah David Simon has been saying some pretty hurtful things to me and my fiancee, who also had a run in with him on MySpacem just because she wouldn't add him back. This was a while ago, and has was since banned from MySpace - for other reasons. He is routing around the blocking feature, which is there for a reason. He has ignored repeated polite multiple requests to remove her from his list of retweeters. It is getting quite upsetting and is beyond a joke now.
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I saw comments he made to Queen of Spain including calling her a "nazi" among other things. He is the Twitter equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
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No, because Twitter isn't a crowded theater where yelling "fire" has any consequences, it's the Internet. Queenofspain is certainly highly manipulative and controlling. Of course calling anyone a "Nazi" is a quick trip to Godwinism and doesn't build the case. On the other hand, your freaking about this and using it as an example of "abuse" is tenuous, at best.
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Inappropriate?RSS helps me keep track of @ replies I may have missed.
PurpleCar, what you mean to say is -- go ahead, it's ok, everybody does it -- you have a vanity feed. You have a vanity feed not just to "check @s I may have missed* but *to see what other people are saying about you*. Go on, admit it! It's ok! Everyone does it, dear.
Now, in that vanity feed, you apparently find that it burns your eyeballs to see somebody re-tweet your tweets, talk about you when you don't wish them to talk about you, and so on. I would say...let your eye just not fall on subject posts, and keep scrolling. Don't RSS your vanity feed in real time -- there's no objective need for that, say, even if you are running a nerve-pulse Internet Twitter Social Media News Aggregation Hub like Steve Gillmor! Get an intern to watch it, if you are the irritable type : )
Whenever I see panopticons on my Tweetscan view of my vanity need to see my name and the "@s I missed" (i.e. what people are saying about me : )
I just skip over him. He's retweeting me. God knows why. I don't care about him : )
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Inappropriate?Employees of Twitter watching! I hope your founder of Armenian heritage (if I have understood correctly) will ponder the roots of the police state, which the Armenian people know all too well from their mistreatment at the hands of Turkey and the Soviet Union, and think about the ramifications of caving to self-policing KGB-style police informants cropping up on Twitter.
If you need to cave to A-list bloggers and influencers and power mommybloggers and marketing mavens and such due to your VC capital tie-ins, we understand, but say so. Say that's what you're doing, so we get it, and the social demand for a free public conversation space can move elsewhere to another platform or group of more free minded developers.
Please don't be hasty about putting in the controls these people are asking for -- based on hysterical notions of their reading -- over the Internet (?!) of someone's mental state, their family origins, their possible intent, etc.
And think about the high-level implications of anything that makes people be able to control their vanity feeds in the granularity they wish *if they are influencers and aggregators*.
The control of track on vanity feeds and the control of re-tweeting and following people who "don't want to be followed by you" all have to be seen not as a mere end-user problem, but a high-level system problem when it becomes to create a very powerful group of power users of Twitter who then decide who gets to follow or dissent or talk about them and who gets scrubbed from their influential top-level view.
You have many competing interests to satisfy on Twitter. Try to keep a balance and keep the system open, and urge people to use just unfollow/block and not fuss about their vanity feeds. Let them put deletion/banning/muting controls on their vanity feeds within their personal Gmail, Google-reader, or other third-party aps rather than to make it possible within the Twitter system, with Twitter commands, and as a build-in to any use of Twitter by third-party APIs.
If that's a contradiction in terms, ask them to be less fussy about their vanity feeds : )
Set the tone : )
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