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Earning storage
It seems that one earns storage as a function of 1) one's average uptime, and 2) the amount of "locally stored data." The first parameter seems reasonable, but the second is problematic.
The main reason is that it is completely outside my control. I have no way of increasing the amount of storage *used* on my computer, so I am completely at the mercy of the rest of the network. It even looks like my earned storage could decrease if the owners of the file fragments stored on my machine chose to delete the associated files.
I am allowing Wuala to use up to 20GB of storage, but after 3 weeks of use, only 3.8GB has been used.
I think it would make more sense to base the earned storage calculation on the storage limit, not the storage used.
The main reason is that it is completely outside my control. I have no way of increasing the amount of storage *used* on my computer, so I am completely at the mercy of the rest of the network. It even looks like my earned storage could decrease if the owners of the file fragments stored on my machine chose to delete the associated files.
I am allowing Wuala to use up to 20GB of storage, but after 3 weeks of use, only 3.8GB has been used.
I think it would make more sense to base the earned storage calculation on the storage limit, not the storage used.
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Quoting Luzius on other topic:
"Once trading storage is enabled, it doesn't get disabled any more even if you fall below 17%. However, no new fragments will be stored on your computer if your online time is too low. If the amount of earned storage falls below the amount of used storage, you won't be able to store new files and your computer can't do maintenance for existing files. However, we are not sure yet if that's the best way to deal with this."
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Inappropriate?wuala users cant influence where their wuala fragments get stored inside the wuala networs....
the wuala clients, wuala backend servers and their used algorithm (see google tech day presentation of the wuala system and so on) chooses what nodes are being used for storage, where fragments are being spread and so on...
with time your node gets a better status inside the wuala network if your node is fast, is reachable and can store data reliably.
so you cant really do anything about it except one thing to my experience: "surf" and download other wuala peoples content... watch their movies, listen to their music, download their images and so on.... then your node also stores these fragments ofcourse and your client will report back to the network that it is storing these fragments and with time your node will become a data source for these fragments if i understand the wuala algorithm and technical aspect correctly...
so you could actually influence the state of your storage node by massivly using and downloading the content that other wuala users offer....
but i have also thought about the general question, what happens to a wuala client/node if it simply boots up a fresh/empty wuala client and logs onto the wuala network but doesnt do anything else. so no browsing in the wuala network, no viewing of peoplse content... how fast would such a clean/empty node become a valuable data storage node for the rest of the network....
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Inappropriate?I'm working on this right now. Our plan is to replace the second parameter by what you have offered to being used by Wuala (your 20 GB). That way, you could get an immediate reward for sharing storage. The reason why we didn't do this before is that it is harder to ensure that nobody is cheating. If you have additional inputs on this matter, it is a good time to let us know so we take can that into account while working on it.
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Inappropriate?One way to make this work is by the use of placeholder fragments.
When I set up wuala to use 20GB of my local drive, I instruct the network, that I want 20GB of placeholder fragments that other clients create, and populate on my machine. That way, they still go through the same validation as they go now, the only thing is that Wuala has to know in some way what how such a placeholder fragment looks like, so that it is deleted as soon as a new fragment needs to be stored.
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Inappropriate?A slight variation: postpone creation of the "placeholder" fragments until the client uses the corresponding amount of network storage.
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Inappropriate?So does Wuala currently rely on my aggressive downloading of others' files to be recognized or will my online time speak for itself? Also, it's been stuck at 12% for quite awhile, is this over the span of a month or a long period of time because my computer hasn't been disconnected since I got my Wuala account a few days ago. Thanks for any assistance!
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Inappropriate?Your downloads don't have any influence on how much storage you earn.
The average online time is a long-term average over a month, so it takes a few days to reach the 17%. See also "Why is my uptime so low" in:
http://wua.la/en/kb/2
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Inappropriate?Do we earn storage forever?
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Inappropriate?No, it's not forever. it decreases over time if you're offline.
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Inappropriate?What happens if it decreases so much i have more data stored than allowed? Do files get deleted??
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Inappropriate?Quoting Luzius on other topic:
"Once trading storage is enabled, it doesn't get disabled any more even if you fall below 17%. However, no new fragments will be stored on your computer if your online time is too low. If the amount of earned storage falls below the amount of used storage, you won't be able to store new files and your computer can't do maintenance for existing files. However, we are not sure yet if that's the best way to deal with this."
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Inappropriate?Earning storage would be nice... But how can I use it? Wuala tells me that I have approx. 1 GB, but there is seemingly no way to dispose of that.
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Inappropriate?One one computer I have:
Online Storage
Used: 100%
Total: 5.2 GB (5GB basic + 222MB earned)
Locally stored data: 2.3GB
Average online time: 26%
Online storage earned: 628MB
One another computer I have:
Online Storage
Used: 100%
Total: 5.2 GB (5GB basic + 222MB earned)
Locally stored data: 891MB
Average online time: 24%
Online storage earned: 216MB
I don't understand why I have only 5.2GB and not 5.8GB (5GB + 628MB + 216MB)...
I have earned these 222MB on a third computer which is offline now; is there a bug??
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Inappropriate?I've looked you up in the database and it seems your sharing settings on the second computer got lost somehow. If you go to the Online Storage settings and enable trading again, the problem should be resolved within 24 hours (earned storage is not updated immediately). In case it is already enabled, try disabling it, saving the settings and enabling it again.
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Inappropriate?Thanks for your reply. But what should work? According to wuala I should receive over 1 GB additional storage - this is shown at the bottom of "Storage". Earning storage is enabled. It increases from day to day. To disable and enable again brings no change. There is no field or anything like this to add the additional to my personal online storage. Is this really the way this funktion was meant?
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Inappropriate?I'm not sure what the problem is. According to our database, you have earned 1 GB by trading and 1 GB by inviting friends. So you have 3 GB in total. Isn't that what Wuala says in the status line at the bottom right?
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Inappropriate?Hello Luzius, I have solved the problem yesterday evening by myself. The problem was that wuala wanted to be closed and started anew in between, simply deactivation and new activation of this option did not work.
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Inappropriate?It might look great in theory, but you should _really_ create dummy-files if you get more space just for entering a different value in that box, for rather obvious reasons... -
Inappropriate?You should probably just put files for redundancy in that space as long as the space isn't really used.
But I have to admit that taking the given space as a measure gives a huge loophole:
I wanna go on vacation. My parenst will cut off all electricity off my entire network. I have a 20Mbit connection.
One week before I leave I set my space to something double or triple what I had before. If you fill the space with redundancy files, the extra 40gb I shared will be filled in a matter of hours (see my connection speed). Than I pump up some more data I want available and given my server hasn't been turned off for 6 month in advance, my uptime will never fall below 17% so I keep several GB of storeage at my disposal while actaully a lot less should be available to me.
I would think that the actual problem with the system as is that there is a lot of users sharing way more than they use.
That will start changing once the community gets out of the alpha phase and into an open beta or rc and the number of users booms. Then there will likely be a lot of users who will not share anything simply because they can't and thus more of that excessively shared space will be used.
Take me as example:
I share 15gb at a (theoretical) 99% uptime. However, I only use a bare 140mb (also because my new extra earned storage doesn't shwo but thats another matter). If everyone does that and then expects to still get 16gb, then it does work out but it doesn't make any sense because you wouldn't use it anyways.
The Wuala network should probably just increase the amount stored locally once the user closes in on the capacity he has. (So increase when the network needs it [like now] OR when the user gets closer to his space limit and thus need more space)
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Inappropriate?Ok, so locally stored data is something we can't control? I've got 40gb shared out on my hard drive and been online 21% of the time, but since only 102mb are being stored, I only get 21mb.
Is this something that's going to change sooner or later? I noticed there being talks of changing it..just curious.
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Inappropriate?one problem (I see) with earned storage is: what happens if you use it to store something, then you disconnect from the network for some reason (holiday, etc), therefore your uptime will go to the ground...
do you still have the saved files (on the earned storage) when you're back from your holiday, or? (do they get saved to /dev/null in between :-)
I’m unsure
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Inappropriate?Yes, only uploads are cancelled (even running ones) if you don't meet the storage requirements anymore. All files that are currently online, stay online!
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